Fluffy, my Hearty Dune Lizard, has been hither and yon with my Ranger for over five years... good time, to be sure.
Then there's Hard Mode.
Poor Fluffy's only purpose seems to be as a corpse for my minion bomber.
Yes, I've tried Call of Protection, Predator's Pounce, Heal as One, Never Rampage Alone... and many combinations of the above. The AI seems determined to focus on Fluffy, I suspect due to his 540HP, as compared to my character and heroes with 600+ HP.
At this point, I'm forced to leave Fluffy behind when I do hard mode. It doesn't "feel" right, but I see no alternative.
Any suggestions?
Ranger Pets in Hard Mode
Sytherek
Marty Silverblade
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Poor Fluffy's only purpose seems to be as a corpse for my minion bomber.
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Anyway, it's probably due to the builds of you and your heroes. Pets tend to be weak, but with decent builds they shouldn't be dying every fight. Post them and we can help you.
Targren
Pets leave exploitable corpses again?
I admit to getting somewhat irked by the new trend of bringing a pet to enable RaO.... the IAS/IMS are nice but that shutdown's a killer...
I admit to getting somewhat irked by the new trend of bringing a pet to enable RaO.... the IAS/IMS are nice but that shutdown's a killer...
Tom Swift
Actually, I'm very happy with my iguana "Rover" in hard mode. He makes an excellent tank - good enough that with the addition of an ebon vanguard sin I hardly ever bring any melee heroes along.
I run a discord caller sin with 2 rits and 1 necro for heroes and a high beast master secondary. Rover does die now and then but most of the time he does an excellent job of keeping the bad guys away from me and my heroes so that we can totally whip the mobs into shape. I don't think it makes much difference but I usually bring the interrupt, prot monk, earth ele and mes henchies along if they are available.
Together we have completely vanquished the 3 continents and mastered EotN. About halfway through legendary Guardian now with the same build for most of it. Just finished oola's lab for about the 20th time in HM. Rover died 3 times because of the derv/golems but did his job of hardly ever letting them attack me or my heroes.
So, yeah, i find a pet very useful in HM.
Oh, and just a note, fluffy isn't providing a corpse for your minion bomber as pet corpses are not exploitable.
I run a discord caller sin with 2 rits and 1 necro for heroes and a high beast master secondary. Rover does die now and then but most of the time he does an excellent job of keeping the bad guys away from me and my heroes so that we can totally whip the mobs into shape. I don't think it makes much difference but I usually bring the interrupt, prot monk, earth ele and mes henchies along if they are available.
Together we have completely vanquished the 3 continents and mastered EotN. About halfway through legendary Guardian now with the same build for most of it. Just finished oola's lab for about the 20th time in HM. Rover died 3 times because of the derv/golems but did his job of hardly ever letting them attack me or my heroes.
So, yeah, i find a pet very useful in HM.
Oh, and just a note, fluffy isn't providing a corpse for your minion bomber as pet corpses are not exploitable.
nigerius rex
My pet rarely gets focused and I usually bring him as an afterthought or for utility when I run marksmanship or ws.
Bring Otyugh's Cry and call of protection. Otyugh's Cry alone will make mobs never focus him.
Bring Otyugh's Cry and call of protection. Otyugh's Cry alone will make mobs never focus him.
BenjZee
In all fairness the pets and the minions wern't ever looked into too much, especially the controls. though we are looking at 'Hard Mode' so what do you expect them to do, you want a bit of a challenge.
AndroBubbles
A pet by itself can't do enough dps to justify usage, because of enemy AI but pets are quite viable in conjunction with the ranger actually doing something to boost damage. You need to adopt a policy of "I'm going to kill you before you kill my pet." My pet is dire evolved, and still doesn't die very often. You can do enraged lunge+death blossom spam (this is what I used to get legendary guardian), a spear with heal as one for life stealing and ranged ability; you can even use a bow with a pet and still manage to beat 75 dps. My ranger loves her rainbow phoenix in pve, and she consistently out damages most people, as well as gets decent survivability for herself and her pet.
ACWhammy
Congrats to anyone who has found a use for pets in HM.
I play Ranger as my main and I find having a pet in HM to be very ineffective. I believe it COULD work, but you would have to force it just so you could bring your pet, and it wouldn't be as effective as a non-pet build in my opinion.
AC
I play Ranger as my main and I find having a pet in HM to be very ineffective. I believe it COULD work, but you would have to force it just so you could bring your pet, and it wouldn't be as effective as a non-pet build in my opinion.
AC
Sytherek
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My pet rarely gets focused and I usually bring him as an afterthought or for utility when I run marksmanship or ws.
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I've been away from the game for over a year; I didn't know that pet corpses weren't exploitable anymore.
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Congrats to anyone who has found a use for pets in HM.
I play Ranger as my main and I find having a pet in HM to be very ineffective. I believe it COULD work, but you would have to force it just so you could bring your pet, and it wouldn't be as effective as a non-pet build in my opinion. AC |
I'm not fond of hard mode; my ranger is just working on a few more titles before GW2. Otherwise, I prefer normal mode, where I have much more flexibility.
Ailina
I too love bringing my pets along, because I find that the most optimal build isn't necessarily the most fun build.
Sytherek, try this: Bring your pet, and throw Great Dwarf Weapon on him. That plus Otyugh's Cry make him a fairly decent tank and pretty darn good damage dealer. It's easily maintainable, and makes each of your pet's attacks do some real hurt. Plus, with higher Dwarf ranks, it's fun to watch Mighty Bob (my faithful Melandru's Stalker who I kept from pre and never abandoned these 4-ish years) constantly knocking enemies down with a swipe of his mighty paw.
EDIT: Just noticed that http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Dwarf_Weapon specifically refers to it as a "great pet buff". So there you go.
Sytherek, try this: Bring your pet, and throw Great Dwarf Weapon on him. That plus Otyugh's Cry make him a fairly decent tank and pretty darn good damage dealer. It's easily maintainable, and makes each of your pet's attacks do some real hurt. Plus, with higher Dwarf ranks, it's fun to watch Mighty Bob (my faithful Melandru's Stalker who I kept from pre and never abandoned these 4-ish years) constantly knocking enemies down with a swipe of his mighty paw.
EDIT: Just noticed that http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Dwarf_Weapon specifically refers to it as a "great pet buff". So there you go.
reaper with no name
Pets suck...as a source of damage. If you try to use a pet for that, you will fail. The purpose of pets is much the same as minions; they absorb damage. Use them for that.
AndroBubbles
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Pets suck...as a source of damage. If you try to use a pet for that, you will fail. The purpose of pets is much the same as minions; they absorb damage. Use them for that.
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LSX
You can use a ranger pet scythe, works pretty well with discord. in HM even if ur H/H
Meridon
As a primary Bow Ranger, I use my pet Flippie frequently in HM for the following purposes:
-Energy Management through Scavenger Strike;
-A source of interruption when Daze is applied (synergizes with the above);
-An extra frontliner;
-As damage when Strength and Honor is applied, only in teams with 2+ more melee.
As you can see, even for a bow ranger, pets can be quite useful. Personally, I'm not a big fan of running Zealous with Barrage every time, so I like having Flippie more for energy management. At the same time, it works great with EVAS+Broad Head Arrow or Technobabble. The best thing is that pet attacks and behaviour doesn't take time away from you spamming Barrage.
I run at 600 health, my caster heroes have 550, so technically, I should expect my hearty Flippie to be targeted frequently. Then again, I find it not too troubling, as I always have a MM or a SoS with me, absorbing most of the damage.
-Energy Management through Scavenger Strike;
-A source of interruption when Daze is applied (synergizes with the above);
-An extra frontliner;
-As damage when Strength and Honor is applied, only in teams with 2+ more melee.
As you can see, even for a bow ranger, pets can be quite useful. Personally, I'm not a big fan of running Zealous with Barrage every time, so I like having Flippie more for energy management. At the same time, it works great with EVAS+Broad Head Arrow or Technobabble. The best thing is that pet attacks and behaviour doesn't take time away from you spamming Barrage.
I run at 600 health, my caster heroes have 550, so technically, I should expect my hearty Flippie to be targeted frequently. Then again, I find it not too troubling, as I always have a MM or a SoS with me, absorbing most of the damage.
Zebideedee
Pets got a beef up a while back but sadly they still ain't as useful as a necro with minions. Rangers pets should get a serious beef to make it even worth it.
MArcSinus
Poor fluffy 
I prefer summons anyway.
Satisfied?
I prefer summons anyway.
Satisfied?
Mintha Syl
Personally I do just fine in HM with my pet, for the moment. And I really like when he takes most of the damage as I almost never bring melee h/h, so he's the party melee.
And yeah, there's many ways to protect him. Recently I've been using also Predator's pounce so that he can refill his own health and I can forget comfort animal. Not the best damage source but it works for the moment.
Oh, and I think heal as one is really bad unless you're only looking for a self heal...by the time it recharges the pet is dead already, comfort is much better for that and isn't elite.
Give poor Fluffy a chance
And yeah, there's many ways to protect him. Recently I've been using also Predator's pounce so that he can refill his own health and I can forget comfort animal. Not the best damage source but it works for the moment.
Oh, and I think heal as one is really bad unless you're only looking for a self heal...by the time it recharges the pet is dead already, comfort is much better for that and isn't elite.
Give poor Fluffy a chance
Fusylum
Pets are sweetness in pvp, I think.
those spear chucker Heal As One Rangers Beat stuff down!
those spear chucker Heal As One Rangers Beat stuff down!
Luminarus
I dunno, I did about 1/2 of the vanquishes in the game (Eotn + Leg vanquisher) using a R/P spear chucker build prior to the pet buff. Since the buff its just even more awesome. Great single target damage, daze, permanent IAS, energy the works.
YMLAD, Scavengers, Spear of Fury, Stunning Strike, Blazing Spear, Merciless Spear, Never Rampage Alone, Comfort Animal.
Before the pet buff I ran charm instead of blazing. Pretty good damage, can afford to use YMLAD on recharge. Fury charges stunning like a fiend, so plenty of daze. Deepwound whoever your focusing on.
I didnt use Discordway with this, but with a couple of tweaks could work quite nicely with it.
YMLAD, Scavengers, Spear of Fury, Stunning Strike, Blazing Spear, Merciless Spear, Never Rampage Alone, Comfort Animal.
Before the pet buff I ran charm instead of blazing. Pretty good damage, can afford to use YMLAD on recharge. Fury charges stunning like a fiend, so plenty of daze. Deepwound whoever your focusing on.
I didnt use Discordway with this, but with a couple of tweaks could work quite nicely with it.
Ailina
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And yeah, there's many ways to protect him. Recently I've been using also Predator's pounce so that he can refill his own health and I can forget comfort animal. Not the best damage source but it works for the moment.
Oh, and I think heal as one is really bad unless you're only looking for a self heal...by the time it recharges the pet is dead already, comfort is much better for that and isn't elite. Give poor Fluffy a chance |
Unless you have Heal as One, which also includes the functionality of bringing your pet, comfort should be required. In PvE, comfort is just charm + healing. So whether something is better than comfort is irrelevant, because comfort needs to be on your bar anyway.
Aldric
Never found pets much use if your running a bow build personally but I have done most of HM with R/P spear builds without any real issue. I use builds similar to Luminarus without any pet buffs just comfort and a pet attack or 2.
You could also use a scythe/pet build which also works well but i prefer running without the pet if playing melee
You could also use a scythe/pet build which also works well but i prefer running without the pet if playing melee
Skyy High
Micro prots. He's a frontliner in HM with low HP, what do you expect to happen? Throw a PS his way and he'll be alright.
ilr
Pets in HM would be a lot more useful if Enchants put on them were unstrippable.
They do awesome DPS now if you stack GDW + Strength of Honor + Ebon Ward ...but the weakest link in the whole chain is still the fact that Energizing Wind (in Beast Mastery btw) never got a PvE split despite how badly it needs one. If it did, there'd be a lot more viable HM Pet builds out there including a really good Shitterflames one for E/R's. Unfortunately neither of these suggestions really fixes pets for Ranger primaries. They'd need something else like a major Traps buff so that pets are just used as a distraction while rangers set traps on-the-go (instead of always pulling crap into the traps)
They do awesome DPS now if you stack GDW + Strength of Honor + Ebon Ward ...but the weakest link in the whole chain is still the fact that Energizing Wind (in Beast Mastery btw) never got a PvE split despite how badly it needs one. If it did, there'd be a lot more viable HM Pet builds out there including a really good Shitterflames one for E/R's. Unfortunately neither of these suggestions really fixes pets for Ranger primaries. They'd need something else like a major Traps buff so that pets are just used as a distraction while rangers set traps on-the-go (instead of always pulling crap into the traps)
Mintha Syl
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Erm, how can you have a pet with you without having Comfort on your bar (in PvE)? I am assuming that you use Charm Animal, but you do know that Comfort now allows you to bring your pet, so charm is useless unless you're actually in the process of charming a pet?
Unless you have Heal as One, which also includes the functionality of bringing your pet, comfort should be required. In PvE, comfort is just charm + healing. So whether something is better than comfort is irrelevant, because comfort needs to be on your bar anyway. |
willie makeit
I do not play the game that much anymore but how about something like this maybe?
Quaker
I pretty much always bring a pet with my Ranger (unless I'm doing some trapping or some other special build). However, I don't have a problem with my pet dying too often, even in HM.
I usually use Never Rampage Alone, but even before that skill appeared I didn't have a problem with my pet dying. So, I don't know why the OP is having so much trouble, especially with a Hearty pet. (Mine used to be Hearty, but I'm using an Elder atm.)
I usually use Never Rampage Alone, but even before that skill appeared I didn't have a problem with my pet dying. So, I don't know why the OP is having so much trouble, especially with a Hearty pet. (Mine used to be Hearty, but I'm using an Elder atm.)
MArcSinus
I hope that in GW2 pets and Rangers will form more of a unity.
Which, looking at the GW2 ranger info, might very well be the case
Which, looking at the GW2 ranger info, might very well be the case
Ailina
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Pets in HM would be a lot more useful if Enchants put on them were unstrippable.
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Mashiyu
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Pets in HM would be a lot more useful if Enchants put on them were unstrippable.
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silicagel
I use symbiotic bond along with never rampage alone for some pretty strong pet regen(low maintenance healing). Unless you're sending your pet to tank for the entire party, it works surprisingly well.
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
for me pets are fun, but not useful except for the doppelganger, as he has none
i'd like to see beastmaster buffs, but i dont think skill buffs alone work that good, thats why i like gw2 much more, with the pets having their own skills
pets can stay alive long, but just with certain builds, and pets as tanks are pretty bad, too
i always use Never Rampage Alone, but it gives like 3 health regen, and enemies even in NM can give alot of dmg, not to mention mesmers, necro's hexes and bleeding, poison and disease conditions
Never Rampage Alone buff could make them die some later, but wont make pets much more useful
if you use too much defensive skills, pets cant dmg, if you dont take enough defensive skills, it dies
and imo, rit spirits are to defend the team and die for it, pets are to take on a few enemies and survive
also, i hate the way they made it, when pets die, your skills gotta recharge, i dont see why
if i want something to attack enemies and die after a few hits, i take assassin support, which i always take
i hope one day pets will be useful in pve, cuz HM has made em pretty useless imo, which is bad
as far as i saw, in NM they can stay alive, but in dungeons and higher lvl areas, especially everything in HM (which is the only mode used ingame by people i see all the time) its impossible to keep it alive
i have a few ideas, which may not work or maybe it would:
- pets having higher lvl cap
- pets having their own skillbar (which wont, as GW2 has it, prolly thx to GW suggestions)
- buff most pet skills
- buff pets with armor and speed (maybe attack speed) (yes i know they move faster)
i'd like to see beastmaster buffs, but i dont think skill buffs alone work that good, thats why i like gw2 much more, with the pets having their own skills
pets can stay alive long, but just with certain builds, and pets as tanks are pretty bad, too
i always use Never Rampage Alone, but it gives like 3 health regen, and enemies even in NM can give alot of dmg, not to mention mesmers, necro's hexes and bleeding, poison and disease conditions
Never Rampage Alone buff could make them die some later, but wont make pets much more useful
if you use too much defensive skills, pets cant dmg, if you dont take enough defensive skills, it dies
and imo, rit spirits are to defend the team and die for it, pets are to take on a few enemies and survive
also, i hate the way they made it, when pets die, your skills gotta recharge, i dont see why
if i want something to attack enemies and die after a few hits, i take assassin support, which i always take
i hope one day pets will be useful in pve, cuz HM has made em pretty useless imo, which is bad
as far as i saw, in NM they can stay alive, but in dungeons and higher lvl areas, especially everything in HM (which is the only mode used ingame by people i see all the time) its impossible to keep it alive
i have a few ideas, which may not work or maybe it would:
- pets having higher lvl cap
- pets having their own skillbar (which wont, as GW2 has it, prolly thx to GW suggestions)
- buff most pet skills
- buff pets with armor and speed (maybe attack speed) (yes i know they move faster)
ilr
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Uh, how could you possibly justify this in any way?
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<wishlist category="not gonna happen">And the eles' attunements should also be unstrippable </wishlist>
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TalanRoarer
Slap a copy of Prot Spirit on a hero and micro it onto the pet.
Should sort it.
Should sort it.
distilledwill
Aramis the Hyena comes out with me quite a lot in HM. Essentially, whenever I get tired of using a bow - I pull out a melee weapon, equip RaO and comfort animal. 12 in the Melee Skill, 9 Exp, 9 BM. With decent heroes he barely ever dies and with minions and myself up in the front he isn't ALWAYS the center of attention.
NerfHerder
I use my pet to tank with my minions in HM. Only problem is the AI. I have to make him heel then attack my target sometimes for him to get the right target. Ive been using this lately and he almost never dies and together we provide decent DPS and synergy.
Edit: I even use a Dire pet
Edit: I even use a Dire pet