When was the last time you saw a human Minion Bomber? Or for that matter, a successful Minion Master? I'd wager it was a while ago.
It's a fun bar to run, having an army of minions autoattacking foes at hammer-type Attack Speed. However, there appears to be one "bug" preventing it from being any fun to run... Atleast for me.
I want to cast Jagged Bones, Great Dwarf Weapon or Death Nova on my minion, and I struggle to target them all successfully; sometimes targeting the same one five times in a row. I can't.
My question is this... Why the hell can you hold Alt and select Nature and Binding rituals, but NOT MINIONS? They are allies. Paragon skills that target allies function on minions. It's not like I'm asking for a whole new panel to show each Minion as it's raised and destroyed so you can see it's red-bar in all it's glory; just to be able to hit Alt and click their names successfully with ease.
To add to this; enemy and neutral minions CAN be targeted. Why?
Discuss.
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HigherMinion
Marty Silverblade
Perhaps they were concerned that it would clutter the screen for people who clicked for allies? If this is the case they could just add a check box to disable it in the options menu.
I think if we aren't going to get a minion panel this is the next best thing.
I think if we aren't going to get a minion panel this is the next best thing.
TalanRoarer
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When was the last time you saw a human Minion Bomber? Or for that matter, a successful Minion Master? I'd wager it was a while ago.
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For me, I don't really care for your suggestion Tom. A hero can MB very efficiently and I will continue to let him do so instead of wasting my time MBing as a human.
I understand the idea and why you want it, but think about it: If you were able to target them by holding ctr/alt (whichever one it is) would it really give you that much more of a desire to run MB as a human?
I know I've basically disagreed with you here but,
/Signed.
Xenomortis
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Originally Posted by HigherMinion
When was the last time you saw a human Minion Bomber? Or for that matter, a successful Minion Master? I'd wager it was a while ago.
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As for a successful MM? Well I last ran as an MM the other week so yeah, two weeks ago. Maybe my ego is just huge, but being successful and being arrogant aren't mutually exclusive.
Although yes, I would like minions to be highlighted the same way everything else is when I press Alt.
Strangely though, I've never really noticed or thought about it before. But it's been a long while since I tried using Death Nova.
So /sign for alt highlighting minions, even if it's only for the player who owns them.
HigherMinion
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Actually, no. I saw one yesterday in HA.
For me, I don't really care for your suggestion Tom. A hero can MB very efficiently and I will continue to let him do so instead of wasting my time MBing as a human. I understand the idea and why you want it, but think about it: If you were able to target them by holding ctr/alt (whichever one it is) would it really give you that much more of a desire to run MB as a human? I know I've basically disagreed with you here but, /Signed. |
A human isn't as stupid at spamming Death Nova outside of battle, and they can use good support skills and not waste energy Draw spamming everything with Disease.
BlackSephir
Yeah, making a mini-list for MMs that'd make targeting minions easier is not an old nor bad idea but then again, you expect AN to do something?
Xenomortis
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Yeah, making a mini-list for MMs that'd make targeting minions easier is not an old nor bad idea but then again, you expect AN to do something?
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I cannot imagine this being a very difficult or time consuming task, I would have thought it would simply require changing a flag in the program somewhere.
Aeon221
I've never understood why Death Nova etc weren't reworked into target self maintained enchants that gave all minions X, Y or Z effect, with an on cancel effect of causing all minions to go boom or change into unicorns or something. Less spam, same basic effect, and the 'on conclusion' rewards smart players. Heck, I'd throw down five bucks or so for a mini skillpack that included some stuff like that.
In fact, I've often wondered why more maintained enchants don't have some sort of on cancel effect, or some secondary feature when already activated so that they're less mindless. And, even more generally, why other long duration spells with shorter recharges don't do something else when the skill is still up.
Look at Verata's Aura, for instance. Leaving aside how inane the skill itself is, the slot is completely effing useless while the enchant is up and running. Why not add the additional effect of "If Verata's Aura is already active, recharge is halved and you do 10-30 damage every second for 1...3 seconds to all adjacent enemies." Or "... nearby enemies are cursed with Verata's Spite, and have 1...3 degen for the next 5...10 seconds."
Oh, hey, I'd use that. Not often, mind, but more often than I'd use Verata's Aura in normal cases.
Skills shouldn't have to be so one dimensional is what I'm basically saying.
In fact, I've often wondered why more maintained enchants don't have some sort of on cancel effect, or some secondary feature when already activated so that they're less mindless. And, even more generally, why other long duration spells with shorter recharges don't do something else when the skill is still up.
Look at Verata's Aura, for instance. Leaving aside how inane the skill itself is, the slot is completely effing useless while the enchant is up and running. Why not add the additional effect of "If Verata's Aura is already active, recharge is halved and you do 10-30 damage every second for 1...3 seconds to all adjacent enemies." Or "... nearby enemies are cursed with Verata's Spite, and have 1...3 degen for the next 5...10 seconds."
Oh, hey, I'd use that. Not often, mind, but more often than I'd use Verata's Aura in normal cases.
Skills shouldn't have to be so one dimensional is what I'm basically saying.
Lanier
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Originally Posted by HigherMinion
When was the last time you saw a human Minion Bomber? Or for that matter, a successful Minion Master? I'd wager it was a while ago.
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That said, I would be all for this suggestion... but hasn't it been suggested before?
reaper with no name
/signed for more consistency in the game.
Bristlebane
This gave me an idea, why not turn Death Nova (and maybe Jagged Bones) into similar functionality as Dwayna's Sorrow. That means that it also enchants all nearby (undead) allies. For balance, either damage or duration is toned down a bit.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...75#post5256375
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...75#post5256375
HigherMinion
Yes, but my request is much more reasonable than another set of skill balances to the necromancer profession, see? I like the suggestion, though.
Bristlebane
Or if they could just add hotkeys:
Target Next Minion
Target Previous Minion
That would go a long way in making things easier to play MM.
Target Next Minion
Target Previous Minion
That would go a long way in making things easier to play MM.
HigherMinion
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Or if they could just add hotkeys:
Target Next Minion Target Previous Minion That would go a long way in making things easier to play MM. |
Jk Arrow
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Originally Posted by Bristlebane
Or if they could just add hotkeys:
Target Next Minion Target Previous Minion That would go a long way in making things easier to play MM. |
Bristlebane
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Originally Posted by HigherMinion
That would be even easier than the alt suggestion. I mean, it would make targeting minions flawless as opposed to just a bit easier. Possibly OP.
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Sirius Bsns
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
Perhaps they were concerned that it would clutter the screen for people who clicked for allies? If this is the case they could just add a check box to disable it in the options menu.
I think if we aren't going to get a minion panel this is the next best thing. |
HigherMinion
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Most definitely not OP when comparing to a hero MM, so I see no problem in adding such hotkeys.
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Bristlebane
I wouldn't base judgement of a gimmicky built. Sure, ER is overpowered but not just for necros but for other casters as well. And when Anet decide to change that skill, all thoose builds will fall with it. Best to just focus on this skill and what would make it more enjoyable to play for a human player, then let Anet worry about any implication with non-necros. If it's still a bit concern, I see no harm in adding a 10-15 seconds recharge in return for buffing all adjacent or nearby.
HigherMinion
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I wouldn't base judgement of a gimmicky built. Sure, ER is overpowered but not just for necros but for other casters as well. And when Anet decide to change that skill, all thoose builds will fall with it. Best to just focus on this skill and what would make it more enjoyable to play for a human player, then let Anet worry about any implication with non-necros. If it's still a bit concern, I see no harm in adding a 10-15 seconds recharge in return for buffing all adjacent or nearby.
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Alternatively, something Xenomortis suggested, have it so only the Necro who raised the minions can view them when pressing Alt or having a seperate minion party-bar.
Of course, the best way to give minion mastery a human advantage is being able to micro a party of minions and be able to flag them into a mob
HigherMinion
New hidden update surprised me today. The screen can now be zoomed out even further!
...Meanwhile I'm still struggling to target my minions.
I demand update, or is this one of those bugs like Shadow Form that will never be fixed? MMs were already nerfed, and necros in general even further. Revive the Minion Masters.
...Meanwhile I'm still struggling to target my minions.
I demand update, or is this one of those bugs like Shadow Form that will never be fixed? MMs were already nerfed, and necros in general even further. Revive the Minion Masters.
MonsieurChapin
/signed, with the caveat of being able to turn minion highlighting off in options
Rushin Roulette
Signed for easier Minion targeting.
Btw, You dont need to target minions if you use Jagged Bones. It can not be cast on teammates or foes, so it autotargets the nearest Minion (be it your own or another allied Minion) unless you force target a different allied minion.
This does not however apply to Death Nova as it can target Allies as well. You would just end up Death Novaing yourself if you use it without a target.
Btw, You dont need to target minions if you use Jagged Bones. It can not be cast on teammates or foes, so it autotargets the nearest Minion (be it your own or another allied Minion) unless you force target a different allied minion.
This does not however apply to Death Nova as it can target Allies as well. You would just end up Death Novaing yourself if you use it without a target.
HigherMinion
Wow.
We ask simply that Alt show minions and we get a whole new minion UI party window.
gg Anet. ggg.
Now the question is, will we see more OoU MM humans and bombers?
We ask simply that Alt show minions and we get a whole new minion UI party window.
gg Anet. ggg.
Now the question is, will we see more OoU MM humans and bombers?
Bristlebane
I think Hero MM's will continue to do what they're good at.
However, the new panel will spur up new popularity in more intelligent player minion bombers, in particular selected minion bombing with Death Nova + skills like Feast of the Dead. Once enough corpses have built up, you just use Aura of the Lich to get the party started again.
I see an upswing in Rt/N MM's with this update as well, Explosive Growth + Aura of the Lich is better suited on a player than a hero, as you can time it better when to start spamming Death Nova before a battle, and when to explode them all with an AotL to create a massive AoE while creating a new fresh army.
However, the new panel will spur up new popularity in more intelligent player minion bombers, in particular selected minion bombing with Death Nova + skills like Feast of the Dead. Once enough corpses have built up, you just use Aura of the Lich to get the party started again.
I see an upswing in Rt/N MM's with this update as well, Explosive Growth + Aura of the Lich is better suited on a player than a hero, as you can time it better when to start spamming Death Nova before a battle, and when to explode them all with an AotL to create a massive AoE while creating a new fresh army.
MonsieurChapin
What party UI window are you referring to? The party window now shows non-Ranger pet allies but it still doesn't show minions.
Bristlebane
We're talking about the new panel that will most likely go live tonight with today's feature build.
MonsieurChapin
Well, I missed all that info somehow.
Awesome!
Awesome!
agrios
Id be happy if they remove the minion cap (or at least double it) and bring back the old Veratas tru skill splitting(thus making this changes PVE only). But I dont really believe it will happen.
But yes...a minion target bar (like the pet one) would be awesome.
But yes...a minion target bar (like the pet one) would be awesome.
Shayne Hawke
Sounds like you're happy and you'll be getting what you wanted.
Closed.
Closed.