SoS Build with rt as secondary?

Tolmos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2010

Disciples of the Blade

E/Mo

My primary is currently an elementalist. I really wanted to be able to keep playing this character but was trying to give an SoS rt a try. That being the case, I was curious whether an SoS build using E/Rt would work as well as a pure SoS rt/*.

Whatcha think?

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

W/

it does indeed, the onlly thing that changes is the armor/health for the spirits, and some damage due to runes(with cons its no diffrence)
heck ive done UW double Spiritspammer with my warrior a few times, it worked good actually (the other rit was /N with blood ritual..)
and with your high energy, you can spam the "better" but higher costing ones, as disenchant,Argony, etc
gl!

Nubarus

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

PxKs

I have seen many hidden spirit spammers like this so I guess it works on any class. Rangers, Assassins, Elementalists, Warriors, Mesmers, Necromancers and Monks are the ones I seen.

Personally I find it rediculous that people lower themselves to this play style but it's their choice, I from my end choose not to party with people who feel the need to spam spirits with a different class then a Ritualist.

TalanRoarer

TalanRoarer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Manchester, England

Gil Worz Is Srs [Bsns]

N/A

Sure it works, but Rt/x will do a FAR better job at it that x/Rt.

Also, every proffesion has more interesting/fun builds to play than SoS, why would you want to spirit spam on a non-ritualist?

mathiastemplar

mathiastemplar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Denmark

Jade Reapers [JD]

W/

It's not even that powerful.. Only heroes should run it imo.
Lots of stronger builds for you as a human player.

Tolmos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2010

Disciples of the Blade

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neith View Post
Completely agree here. We won't take rit secondaries if they want to spirit spam, we prefer the spirits to have more health due to spawning power because the rits spirits will last longer, if you want to play rit make a rit if you want to play ele use ele skills.
My reasoning:
A) The elementalist I am using I made 2 days after release and am quite fond of. I'd like to try the ritualist play style but without making a new character and redoing everything I've already done
B) The animation for ritualists casting spells is the stuff nightmares are made of


Quote:
Originally Posted by mathiastemplar View Post
It's not even that powerful.. Only heroes should run it imo.
Lots of stronger builds for you as a human player. Definitely open to suggestion. I saw an SoS rt in action and thought "Wow, I wanna try that. Looks awesome". But if there is something better I'd be happy to go for it.

Neith

Neith

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2008

Texas

One in Guild Wars

R/

try it on a vanquish, but don't try it in a party. if your ele is your main i would assume you are going for titles which means you are probably going for skill hunter. We had a guildie use that for her vanquishes but when she was in a party she would switch to mesmer skills. If you like it that much when you do a vanquish buy a character slot and create a rit to use in parties. use your ele as a rit secondary to farm feathers also but please don't use it in a party for a group. there are already too many SoS spammers out there we don't need to add another one.

Lord Dagon

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

E/Me

it most deffinatly works. Personally i do it on my ele for MQVQ till my ritualist gets there. It's even listed under the "meta" section of PvX.(not that that means much)

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

I have a me/rt as well as a n/rt both of whom run sos....with NO problems (though I dont do pugs and my guild is ME)....I have no problems with it in hm either. If you wish to play your e/rt do as your heart desires, though from the posts above, understand you will probably NOT find a group that is willing to allow that build---- (so keep that ele primary build handy)

I have also seen a w/rt who was very effective (we finished arachni HM together when our runner died too many times--leaving just him and me --smiter)....

RedDog91

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by I Hate Chips View Post
Spiritspammers are pretty noob imo if u use it on another character... Because spirit spamming doesnt need any skill or what so ever. The only thing u need are the skills, and press on the skills. That's really it. It's boring, skilless but good, and thats why noobs use it the bolded part can be said for 99.9% of builds on every profession.
Only 1 out of a thousand builds require thought.

And I wouldn't say its noob to play as an SoS. Its useful for farming in most areas, particularly for your 5 Nick-gifts each week. And the fact that it can be used on any profession with rit secondary just makes it even more useful, as you don't need to make a rit solely for the purpose of farming a certain area (like how all the people who made sins solely to farm a certain area)

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

SoS would work on an E/Rt but it won't be as good as on a Rt primary due to lower Channeling. And SoS should be put on a Rt hero rather than wasting a human bar for it. As an Ele, if you really want to do damage, SH is the only thing that comes to mind. Otherwise, go E/Mo and solo backline so you can use your heroes/henchies for something else instead of wasting their potential by having them be the backline.

darthsabbath

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2010

I don't get the SoS hate, both on Rt/Any or Any/Rt. You don't have to play it. You don't have to play with anyone who plays it. Personally, I like playing N/Rt SoS when I'm feeling lazy. I can throw on a DVD or something and just cruise through GW. Plus to me it's fun just running straight into a monster, dropping 6 spirits in his face, and watching his health drop 50%. OP? Sure, but I enjoy doing it. To me, that's what matters. I know how to put together a build, but some days I just plain don't care.

Then again, I have the luxury of being with a guild that doesn't care about always doing things the most efficient way. Sometimes we just want to try something silly or weird and see if it works. Sometimes we like discord + SoS and being lazy... we get on vent and just BS while spirits and heroes do their thing. But we're also very capable of getting serious and getting the job done when we need to. It all depends on our mood.

Hobbs

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

Its still easy as hell on X/Rts, I mean last week I farmed Shrivelled Eyes using SoS on a W/Rt. Just get the skills, make sure you have above 40 energy then gogogo.

obastable

obastable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

To people who say running a /Rt SoS build is cheap, lame, a task reserved for those who fail at GW ... I invite you to come play on my internet connection and you'll prolly ragequit in frustration in less than 10 minutes because your super l33t build will most likely fail, unless of course your H/H are doing all the work while you twiddle your thumbs anyway (in which case your build is irrelevant).

I run a /Rt SoS build on my Monk for vanquishing because I have an average ping of over 2000 ... which makes playing an actual monk completely pointless. Toss up some spirits, start walking towards a group, hit summon spirits .. and hope to shit that things are dead when you stop lagging ... much easier than trying to play the red-bars game with my ping.

Attached a screenie from the other day just to give you an idea of what I deal with on a daily basis (no I'm not on dial-up .. I think that might actually be BETTER than what we have).

To answer the OP's question .. yes, absolutely, and with the right H/H setup you can tab-space through virtually everything in HM ... even with a horrendous ping.

obastable

obastable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade View Post
You having useless internet doesn't make a valid build justification/criticism. It just means you're handicapped with regard to build choice.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, Marty, as you're kind of contradicting yourself. Instead of arguing I'm just going to state the obvious facts.

Every cookie cutter build is popular precisely because it's easy and effective.

The argument against running SoS on a /Rt, on the basis of grouping and pugging, is invalid because there's nothing that dictates you must play with these people when you run this build.

It doesn't work as well with /Rt as it does with Rt/ but it does still work stupendously well.

Roen

Roen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2010

GMT-5

[Nite]

R/

I like playing R/Rt for easy switching between splinter/barrage and SoS. I don't use the standard pvx spirit farm build but play my own two-man R/Rt build with pyre because I like him so :-P

It can be fun to change up and try different styles and different builds. One of my fav things about GW is trying different builds.

Right now I'm working on trying an 8-skill chain for a one hit wonder ranger build. Yes. barrage is the last skill in the chain. Seven buffs followed by barrage. Others before me have probably already tried it and it'll probably end up sucking but it's fun to see if I can come up with my own way to take out an entire mob in "one" shot.

So if you like playing SoS as an Any/Rt, there's nothing stopping you. You can roll through most of the game right now that way. And if that's what you like, do it. People seem to forget but It's a game after all.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by obastable
I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, Marty, as you're kind of contradicting yourself.
How am I contradicting myself? You having bad internet puts you in a compromised position which translates to your ability to run builds effectively. That doesn't indicate anything about the builds whatsoever, just that some are easy to play and others are not.

Quote: Every cookie cutter build is popular precisely because it's easy and effective. Yeah, but I put that down to power creep and the general stupidity of the playerbase. Anyone can roll PvE now with some stupidly overpowered PvE skills. A bar run by a good player will be better than the same bar run by a bad player. Having crap internet is relatable to being a bad player as you're reaction ability and battlefield awareness are extremely limited.

Quote:
The argument against running SoS on a /Rt, on the basis of grouping and pugging, is invalid because there's nothing that dictates you must play with these people when you run this build.

It doesn't work as well with /Rt as it does with Rt/ but it does still work stupendously well. Yes, but most times you'll be better off playing something your primary profession should be doing, not trying to be a clone of another. Granted, SoS is overpowered enough that it doesn't make a difference (you'll still roll over everything), but the difficulty of playing it doesn't make it better than other builds.

obastable

obastable

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

The general criticism of builds that abounds is that if it's easy to run then it's bad. By that logic, in order to be a "good" build it must be difficult to play. I'm not sure why making things harder for yourself constitutes a good idea.

Please don't say "because it takes skill to run it well" because there's absolutely nothing in PvE that takes any semblance of skill to accomplish, unless you quantify mashing buttons in a particular order as "skill", in which case a retarded & dyslexic primate could play the game & be considered a skilled player.

Quote:
Yes, but most times you'll be better off playing something your primary profession should be doing, not trying to be a clone of another. Sometimes, not most of the time, and that sometimes only applies when you're grouping with other people.