do normal groups ever do stuff?

this has been pissing me off for a couple of years now

I wanted Deldrimor armor for a hero like a year and a half ago and noone was selling it so I went on my assassin to Umbral Grotto and tryed to look for a group for Slavers' Exile someone invited my assassin to a group then 5 minutes later kicked me from group after screaming at me for a few minutes cause I wasn't a "Perma" seems they were doing VSF not full Slavers' Exile and at the time I was new and had no idea what a perma was.

so to my question do normal groups ever do things? i'm talking like say a dagger mastery assassin and normal healers and all that in UW and FoW and Slavers' Exile rather than 8 people with specialized builds just for it to farm ectos

seems kinda F'd to invite a guy to a VSF when hes looking for a Slavers' Exile group and then to go off at them when they aren't a perma

and for UW noone will take someone with a build that is the correct build if they haven't done it before so I can't farm ectos

seems i've spent hundreds of plat on gear and builds to farm only to find out that type of farmings useless it seems like every type of farming and money making in the game doesn't exist anymore I have 12 plat atm and no way to make more the main way I made money since farming didn't exist anymore was buying H CoF runs and selling the mods and materials I got from it only to have people laugh at me for using that to make plat

People do not want to fail, therefor if you do not have the correct build to do the job as efficiently as possiable then you will not be allowed to play.

there are some guilds that do dungeons in normalway but PUG's dont
UW and FoW is very possible with a normal team, but it takes a couple of hours.
and you still need a good build and teamspeak/ventrilo is recommanded.
if you wanna do UW or FoW you can PM me and we can try

the sad part of it is I find no real reason to play guild wars because of all of this I mean whats the point of logging in when theres pretty much nothing to do? I finished all 4 games to the end farming it seems is so nerfed its impossible the game seems lacking in stuff to do from my view of it

I also went out and got my Ele Sunspear rank 9 and after taking a few months to get it cause of not playing much everyone at Umbral laughed at me cause in the mean time they had nerfed Ele Cryer so much that noone wants them everyne told me to go out yet again and level a monk and do all of EotN story on the monk just to be able to VSF so I pretty much just gave up there after months of work to be told it was a waste and to spend months more to get another character ready with no clue if they'd be useful in the end

Couple of hours? noway

And yes ppl do it, But such guilds which do it are quite rare nowadays..

Fow can be done 30-45mins in HM with "normal" team, so not rly hours.

Uw maybe 60-90mins

But ofc it rly depends on ppl and such

In all the Normal/balanced UW runs we ever do least time is just a few minutes shy of 2 1/2 hours, so your 60-90 minutes show me what you use. And that is taking any profession with no gimmick builds. And we do know what we are doing in the UW. we have a thread on it in the pugs and grouping section.

if all you want to do is farm to me that is pretty sad, what's the point in farming if you are saying what's the point in playing. Play to have fun with the people that you get to know. We created that thread because I enjoy helping people accomplish something that others aren't willing to do. Granted we have had failed runs due to mistakes, bad spawns, it's a disappointment sure, but I know that even if we fail the 1st time we will always make it the second time. But the point of this game is to have fun not to farm the hell out of it. That's what is driving the prices down, just a few weeks ago people were paying 20-21e for armbrace now they are trying for 16e and less then 3 years ago they were 100k + 20-21ectos. It's sad. pretty soon Gem sets are going to be worth the same thing as 1 ecto. pretty sad imo.

If all you want to do is farm log onto your facebook and play farmville.

and thats just my point everyone seems to just farm which cause of nerfs is getting harder to do but with game built as it is other than farm or do the storyline over and over what else is there to do?

To answer the OP's question in the thread title - because of the age of the game, the relative lack of players in some areas, and the existance of Heroes, you won't find true "PUGs" - pickup groups formed from random people - very often any more.
The exception may be the current Zaishen bounty/mission or WiK quests.
It's just the unfortunate result of the age of the game and the lack of new campaigns or expansions.

Your choices basically come down to either finding an active Guild that does "normal" stuff, or going with Heroes and Henchies.

which can't tend to do some of it I would of thought the AI with the faster response time than humans would be better healers yet it sooms not to be the case oddly and same with most other things

Actually heroes, when given specific builds can and WILL perform better than human players in terms of efficiency, spacial awareness, and response time (however they will still clump together and die to AOE unless you micro them). You may not be using skills that heroes use effectively.

Example of a skill that heroes do not use effectively: Word of Healing / Zealous Benediction. - Both of these skills have conditional benefits that most players (as a form of skill) use when they can meet the requirement for the conditional benefit (bonus healing for WoH, E-management for ZB). Heroes however will cast it whenever they can with little regard to no regard for the secondary effect, making the skills lackluster.

Heroes are good when the build they use allows them to spam skills with little regard for any secondary effects that they may have.

Slavers' is a difficult area, but it is H/H'able even in HM (lots of micro involved though).

Fine-tuned physway can complete HM UW in ~80-90min. Getting below 80min might be possible. Bring-your-own-build physway is closer to 100min. Both of those would be a bit faster in NM. I agree that 60-90min sounds unrealistically fast; at least the 60 end of the spectrum sounds unrealistically fast. Even if the map were completely empty of monsters, you'd be hard pressed just to walk all the quest paths and then kill Dhuum in 60min. Most of the time savings for speed clears comes from doing multiple quests at once. Without that advantage, balanced teams are going to hit an absolute wall, probably somewhere between 70-80min for HM.

Guild Wars.

Take the hint.

There are still penty of guild that do casual events together, clearing FoW, UW and dungeons. Just avoid joining all thoose elitist *SC guilds. Also ignore the troll above me.

the only heroes I ever seem to use is the Triple Necro Vanq thing (Sabway I think its called) due to it being the only real hero builds I know of

most of my other heroes are like low levels with no gear or builds mainly cause idk any builds for them

I also have a hard time working out what henchmen to use as well

another issue I have is that my character I love to play is a MM necro but sadly the Sabway minion bomber steals all my bloody corpses even when its got a full 9 so i'm left with none alot of the time so instead of playing my necro as i'd like I am forced to play my Ele and on it in hard mode I have a fire build thats pretty crap so as you can see i'm a mess and a little out of my depth

Apart of balanced and normal groups is also accepting "gimmick" builds. Otherwise, that's not a normal group.

you could not take the mm hero when you are doing mm...and take a different hero (like the ele---) that way you are making the minions instead of the hero.
There are as many builds out there as their are players (ok, probably more) so you can try new things on your own---only elists think that you MUST use xyz build---if you play on your own you can do whatever your heart desires. (and level your heroes up the process).

there are still a few guilds out there for the more casual player so I would suggest looking for them (try looking thru the guild recruitment section )....

You can learn to make efficient builds for your heroes. Here is a link to the Campfire sections Heroes & AI sub forum stickied basics thread http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...t10293264.html
It goes over the skills heroes don't use well.

You can also try some of the hero builds from PvXWiki (when it reappears on the new host site).

As for Slaver's Exile, the farming for that has been the same almost since day one. We've all had problems putting groups together. You could try forming your own group and state that it's not for farming.

If you're referring to me, how the hell was I trolling? I said exactly the same thing that you did, albeit in a snarky fashion because this topic has been discussed ad nauseum for years. It's still true: the game is called Guild Wars, find yourself a guild that does the things you like to do.

true but just putting random skills in wouldn't do more than fail far as I can work out.

those casual guilds i've been looking for one for ages but they all either seem inactive or do nothing together cause to most people casual means a guild that won't force ya to do stuff with them which basicly tend to mean your in the guild simply so your not guildless if I could find a casual guild that still actually did alot together it would be awesome

funny thing is your only focusing on the word guild if you use the name of the game to point out what people should do in game I challenge you to find a couple of in game guild where they are having a war where only those 2 guilds fight each other lol all the PVP in this game and yet theres no such thing as a guild war lol. Arenanet was kinda stupid with the name of the game. so i'd have to agree with the Trolling remark :P

you can figure out on your own what works and what does not (my husband spends lots of time trying new stuff out with his heroes to see what will work and such--more often than not failing miserably--usually since he doesnt like to take healers with him)....I use my own builds (have only looked at the pvx thing once), find what works for you and use it, trial and error is the way to learn. I have used a brand new account (hence almost NO skills unlocked) and still have been able to do most missions and quests with just the heroes I have (and henchmen---).....
You will fail sometimes, its part of the learning process--MOST of us older players have done some tons of times, its how we figured stuff out. Play the game and you will get the experience to figure out what is working and what is not, if you still need some advice (or builds) you can look thru wiki or guru.....

But that is not what you asked for the in OP....yes there are still groups, much harder to find and usually part of a guild-- but some of them are out there.

Read all about it.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars

1) As Arduin posted, the Guild Wars were a war in the past important to the plot of Prophecies.

2) GvG.

3) None of what you said changes the fact that if you want to do any grouping for dungeons in the game that doesn't involve speed clears and is just about having fun, guilds are the way to go. I may have been brusque, but the advice was good all the same. Trolling would be something like "don't bother, GW is dead" or "learn SC then, n00b".

don't see why thats linked as a reply to what I said? I was pointing out to the guy who was using the word guild in guild wars to imply being in a guild was whole point to game which isn't true as that link shows

and also would like to ask is GvG only your guild against only one other? every time i've gone in noone in there was in my guild and other team and all random people not a guild

You're doing it wrong. You need to form a team of 8 in your GH, then either challenge another guild (which you need to set up beforehand, so they're ready with their team of 8), or enter the queue to get a random opponent.

ahh ok seems kinda odd that its a called GvG when its not GvG really unless you do all that

PVP seems pointless in game I got reported as AFK cause some idiot saw me fighting in PVP so after he screamed at me cause I was PVPing rather than running around the map to bases him and the team all reported me as AFK that was my one and only time I ever tryed to PVP cause apparently fighting in PVP means your AFK lol

"It's odd that it's called X because you need to know what you're doing in order to make it work right."

It's an organized format. It requires the planning and coordination of a guild. This seems like it would be obvious, considering the name.

Sounds like you played AB, once. It also sounds like you didn't understand the format, you lost your team, and proceeded to run around randomly attacking groups and dying.

Pro tip: if you don't know what you're doing, listen to the guys telling you what to do. Don't sit there all smug, and if you do, don't be surprised when no one wants to play with you. If you want to dick around, that's what the Random Arenas are for, or even Jade Quarry or Fort Aspenwood; all of those use random teams, so you can do pretty much whatever you want and it doesn't matter terribly much. If you join a team in PvP, you need to play as a team. Your complaints are about as valid as someone completely new to UW joining a group, ignoring the leader's warnings to not take any quests without him saying so, wiping the party because you took a quest you weren't supposed to, and then laughing at them when they raged and kicked you.

If you want to play a format or area with a PUG, it's common courtesy to the people you are grouping with to learn a little about the area first. This goes for both PvE and PvP, it's just that the enemies (and allies) in PvP are much less forgiving than the ones you find in PvE, so you need to be prepared to listen if you want to get anywhere.

Oh, and I'll point it out, because it's so deliciously ironic when considering my first post in this thread: Alliance Battles. You want an organized group that won't rage at you and wants to just fight, ask your guild/alliance.

[edit]Looking back at the OP, it seems like the two issues are more related than I thought, at first. In both cases, you're raging because you're trying to do something with random players, something that has an established "best way" to play that pretty much all random groups follow, and you're blaming the groups for not playing the way you want to play instead of trying to find yourself like-minded players who would want to play the way you want to. The solution is the same in both cases: if you want to play a certain way, use guildies, heros and henchies, or friends. If you want to play with PUGs, you need to play with the builds PUGs use, because they're the ones that are the most effective (or, really, the most reliable).

ahh ok just kinda figured when I joined a a PVP game that it would actually be players fighting players not running around map non stop then again I guess I never stopped to think that the term player versus player doesn't actually mention fighting at all it just implys that your doing something to beat the other player and in most other PVP things that seems to amount to fighting

no the the first post was about them inviting me to a VSF when I was looking for a slavers exile group aka a full run of the place then going nuts because I wasn't a perma..............

apparently cause permas are rare they didn't think before inviting me and then decided to go off at me even though I wasn't looking for a VSF group

Like I said, that's AB. Learn the format before you go in, or at the very least listen to your teammates. If you just want to go in and fight, I pointed out three formats more suited to your purposes. You're extrapolating your one and only experience in an arena you knew nothing about to all of PvP, and it's grating.

What youre asking people to do is think on their own and make a balanced build that isnt posted on pvxwiki. This is clearly too much to ask. If you dont use the same generic -way build as everyone else, then clearly youre not fit to play with the rest of us. Its heroes and henchmen for you, sir.

Just Henchmen really - Hero builds must come from PvXwiki as well. "It's not just a good idea - it's the law!"



/sarcasm