Penalizing leavers in PvP

Almost every single match in Costume Brawl I see at least 1 person leave. They leave, because the penalty for leaving for laughable.

My idea:
2x leaving during a PvP match within 24 hours: for 1 hour your account cannot access any PvP activity.
5x leaving during a PvP match within 24 hours: for 24 hours your account cannot access any PvP activity.

This should weed out the people who contineous leave during PvP matches for their own selfish reasons, and keep the people who came to actually play PvP playing in equal teams.

No, that's far too harsh for my liking. People with terrible connections especially are set to get screwed.

Make it 'in an hour' rather than 'within 24h'. Increase to 3/6.

True, connection can be a pain. But why would you want to PvP when you're on an unstable connection anyway? It won't do you any good, nor any of your teammates.

I agree completely... leavers (in any format) should be penalized as harshly as possible. The game can recognize if a player intentionally leaves or if they get disconnected due to a bad connection, so anet could make these harsh penalties apply only to those who intentionally leave.

The system is fine the way it is. Every time I've had a leaver in CB my team has been losing anyways. I think in other formats only 2 out of 5 leavers left while we were winning and only 1 out of those 2 actually caused our loss by their leaving.

In a lot of the games I've had leavers, the team wasn't behind that far that it didn't stood a chance to win anymore (-5). Sometimes people just leave after a failed initial attack on the other team, that's just ridiculous.
People shouldn't be rewarded for leaving which is what happens right now, and which is why people rather leave than try to come up with better teamwork to try to turn a match.

Some people have no choice. They just make do with what they have.

Even when you get disconnected, you can join back within 10 minutes. You don't just leave the party when that happens. There's a difference.

This:

Heck, it even tells you if they we're d/ced or if they left, I'd love harsher penalties for leaving, annoys the hell out of me

remove the penalties imo, they don't solve anything

/signed for 5X DC in 24 hours getting a pvp "break" of 24 hours. If your connection is bad enough that you are disconnecting 5 times in 24 hours, you shouldn't be in PvP. Why? Because you are being a burden on your team by playing with a bad connection. Go PvE when that happens or stop playing GW. If you are forcing your DC's, then you shouldn't be playing anyways.

For fake disconnect, task manager says hi.

The penalties you want are a little too excessive : imagine you are totally unlucky and twice in a row everyone is dead except two monks who try to wand each other to death. Having to waste 12 mins (everyone was dead 4 minutes after the begging) because both monks want to him and because if you leave you won't be able to get back in PvP for another hour is a little harsh.

Then comes all the little things that can make you have to leave (important phone call, unexpected thing occurring), would you rather have a leecher ?

Many people already get dishonor because they leave the match before the "return to outpost" countdown has expired. Imagine how many people might get screwed by the "leave 5 times in 24 hours, can't play PvP for 24 hours" idea.

Lol, look.... leavers in PvP will always be a problem but its not that leaving is fundamentally wrong... its discouraged because otherwise RA would be laughable... but its not fundamentally wrong....

The argument for this is simple.... ANET cannot force you to remain in a match or agree to remain in teams with players who you deem (correctly OR not) to be at an insufficient standard to achieve success.

There is no clause in the EULA that states 'tho shalt play with crap players'

Seriously.... its true, people just don't want to... every RA session I do I utilise my 1 free leave, and will routinely leave after 1 match win or lose until I have a team I decide is likely to get me 15+ wins. Then I hang about....

What you will begin to realise and you can go check out my looonnnnggg thread on RA and other stuff is there are sure fire ways to make people in ur team leave.... this include..... W/Mo, Exalted Aegis, Mo/Me, R/E, E/Mo, N/Mo, D, P, pvp swords, Tactics shields on wars... just to name a few (the list is endless).

The end point of this is PEOPLE GENERALLY DO NOT LEAVE AT RANDOM... they leave cos 1 or 2 or 3 of the other people in the team are BAADDDD -whether i be build, profession, skills, equipment or guild (YES guild)...

If you find people are regularly leaving teams your in.... maybe dont make a thread qqing about how they should be shot, hung, and tortured for daring to abandon ship in the face of certain defeat..... and MAYBE just MAYBE you should work on making them not leave by ummmmmmm........ being good....????? I dunno thats my 2 cents....

you know what......... people never normally leave teams I'm in..... strange...... meh, guess i suck

man i'm gonna get some OP rage!

Pz

and NO, /notsigned its pointless and in a dead game why ban the few players that play it regularly???
ALSO on another note.... for all the likeminded players out there.... if you really hate a player your in a team with and wanna make them suffer in RA.... after 1 win, wait till the reset counter is below 3 seconds... i.e. 3 seconds till next match.... and THEN leave.... a) no Dishonor points
b) they don't get a new player for this match and have to fight next with 3.... = lose =/punishment for being 'pro wammo'

maybe anet should fix this???? NAAAA too much fun /notsigned for that either

pz again

Funny, the same exact thing happens in my teams. All players tend to cling to me, even the bad ones that hope I'll carry them to 15+ wins. Oh well... *maps out at 00:01!*

I've played Random Arenas a fair bit, and I can't remember two Monks doing that or anything similar ever happening to me.
Same goes for Costume Brawls.

As for unexpected things, sure they happen, but surely not all the time. If your real life schedule is so unpredictable that you have to leave the PC every time someone calls you or something, you might want to wait till you have more time. It wastes both your time, and for everyone else on your team.

My rant isn't about Random Arenas, though, I never saw that many leavers there. It's mainly about Costume Brawl, and as far as I know there's not a single "bad" profession with such a bad or underpowered skillbar that a player would leave at the sight of one in their team.


Actually, they leave just as much on the opposite team as on my team. It's boring when they leave on my side of the team, because it's pretty much a garanteed lose. It's boring when they leave on the opposite team, because it's an easy victory at their spawn point.

On the "They leave cause you suck" : I really don't know if we are seeing the same persons, or if things have changed that much in RA but people don't always leave because they think your team sucks.
They leave for various reasons : hmm don't like that person, think I'm gonna lose because I don't have a monk, we have two monks, we have *insert whatever possible team you can think of*, I wanted to be in the same team as my friend.

Not every builds need a secondary profession.
This is random arena, if you want to find THE team, then go play HA or GvG with a guild. Losing sucks, and having people with horrible builds sucks (looking at all the horribles builds RoJ, MS, etc... spawned) but in RA most of the time you don't win because you are great, you win because the other team sucks more than yours (and again, no bullshit like "My team wins thanks to my presence").

By that logic, every botting assholes shouldn't be banned ?



EDIT : wait this rant is only about CB ? Really ? A 10 days once a year arena ? Then yes your penalties are way too excessive. Teams where half the team members fail to listen to any kind of advice or doesn't want to resign makes you want to leave them. When half of your team leaves at the beginning you also want to leave.

As for the 2 monks and all the other examples : those are examples, it may not happen every time, but it can.

because having no penalties is much better... at least SOME people get caught by it now, having nothing would be a step backwards.

Wrong? No. Annoying, unfair, and childish even, I'd agree with. Why should someone be able to leave and suffer no problems when they have effectively said "I have decided to make my team loose by leaving because I don't think that they can win, and I deserve a better team".

Whichever way you cut it, the penalties for leaving early are not harsh enough.

Just because my rant wasn't about Random Arenas, doesn't mean it should be excluded from the penalty system... I just don't want to get into an arguement over leavers in Random Arenas, as my original post never was about that subject...

Oh I see.

However there is only so much ANet can do without penalizing people too much (I've gotten dishonored more than 10 times because I leave to early in AB/FA/RA, of course this was a while ago, now I wait).

There is already a punishment for leavers.

There wasn't enough leavers to warrant any real issue until the addition of titles.

The issue at heart isn't that there are leavers, the issue is that you aren't getting points on your title fast enough. The title is the root of the leavers and it is also the root of your complaints. Remove them and everyone is better off.

I do not have 2explain anything if I don't want.
If people don't see why it has no solution in the end then thats THEIR problem.

At least somebody else whos brain fuctions properly in my book and anyone who has the capacity 2 view things in a wider range instead of just: punish this guy, he doesn't want 2play with me

Yup, but removing the titles wouldn't do any good now. Hopefully no more PvP titles in Guild Wars 2...

Yes that is a GENIUS suggestion..... lol *insert sarcasm here*

anyways.....

I kinda agree..... however not for ANY of the reasons you had when suggesting this....
Firslty you all need to acknowledge that there is a range of players in guild wars....
1) TERRIBLE - dosent bring 8 skills, and hasnt done attribute quests, no elite skills
2) Really bad ones
3) Ones who think running wiki bars makes ya good
4) People who think they should be able to win at RA but dont understand why it takes 1 hr to get 1 glad point <--- maybe some people in this thread fall into this category
5) People who are bad but PvP a lot <- HAers
6) People who bring shield sets
7) people whose screen is not 99% skill bar and actually look up from their skills at the field
8) People who use their shield sets
9) people who use the information from the field
10) people who pre kite wars
11) warriors who look at weapon sets of targets and calculate what +AR they have on their shield
12) Monks who count adrenaline
13) Pro players

AND LOTS inbetween these... not most people are 3,4,5. YES probably you reading this..... get over it
BUT there is a difference in skill (NOT skills, but player SKILL)

once accepting this....

a) PvP title are easy to get (all of them)
b) If you cant get them your bad 1,2
c) if u get them slowly u aint great 3,4
d) All of them barring champ are a grind
e) champ requires being vaguely decent 6,7

Therefore by definition PvP titles are good for distinguishing between 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 on the list...

THEREFORE for anyone beyond that point PvP titles are irrelevant.... most of top GvGers are r11 or so, maybe glad 6 or 7..... do you honeslty think they will recruit based on title????? NO THEY DONT.... they need to know WHO you are.... that counts for more than titles!

So yeah, get rid of titles.... IT STILL wont get you guys picked for teams because you are unknown and havent yet passed 6 on the list....
ALSO.... in RA... I and MANY others will STILL leave teams if we think they might be bad.... I dont care about my glad title since they killed TA, way too far to next rank to consider it... I play for practise and fun... but losing aint fun, so I LEAVE teams with bad players to wait for a GOOD team to rickroll everyone else....

SO... removing titles or having no titles in PvP might get you picked for a team, but kicked as soon as they realise a fundamental, titles are just used as a gauge for how good someone might be, but it is one of MANY measures which tbh are more accurate than titles.... and these are the things (not titles) that seperate the good from the bad

Don't know what this has to do with my suggestion, but just saying that having a rank doesn't mean much...

That's not completely true, and in the moments it is true, it sucks for the player actually carrying the team because that player feels the burden and stress of having to dish out all the damage and utility, play some serious tab-wars, camp on vamp, doing everything possible to score hits and knockdowns... i.e.: I'm on my Dev. Hammer warrior, and I have a strong monk, but only a pure interrupt mesmer with next to nothing for damage, and an ele with many random, sub-optimal Air Magic spells [a few with 2 second cast times, which're basically interrupt fodder, and take longer to output pressure]. The opposition also has heavy anti-melee [BSurge Ele *with Disciplined Stance or SBash jic my Hammer war lands a hit after a blind wears off with blind redux mods*, ESurge Mesmer with Empathy, Necro with Faintheartedness, enfeeble, and Insidious Parasite and Bonetti's Defense, and a very strong monk with Dolyak + Protector's Defense]. There's no way in HELL that my Dev. Hammer warrior's gonna be able to break through all those layers of defense and blind! Unless ofc they all somehow lose their minds and simultaneously go afk, resign, or don't use their skills right, if at all...

I know for a fact that, even if I have a monk on my team, if my other two team members are terribad, lack damage or utility, etc.. I'd still map out after we win or lose.

Bottom line though, players leave because no-monk teams lose well over half the time, and losing isn't fun for most players. I think that this imbalance should be fixed instead of just increasing punishments. Punishments in general drive players away by default, so making punishments harsher is only going to contribute to even more inactivity. If you're thinking, "Oh well, I don't care...", then you need to play something other than an MMORPG because obviously it's not your cup of tea if you have that kind of attitude.

About the no-Monk thing, I think that's why they're making Guild Wars 2 without a dedicated healer class. So players will be more self sufficient. I know I'm going to love it.=p