Hello,
I was wondering about the honesty of you traders out there.
Do u lie if you get a nice trade out of it?
For example: "This purple Crystalline sword is one of the rarest swords ingame, it doesn't drop anymore, I got it from a chest 4 years ago!!!" etc.etc.
Or even: this frozen ecto will defreeze after the event etcetc. ?!!
Plz tell me ur opinions, I, for myself, would lie to others, however, I wouldn't scam them, like the frozen ecto scam.
Greetings
Magezi
Do u lie if it gets you a nice trade?
Magezi
Gabriel of Ravn
Unless you're a really bad trader no need to lie.
drkn
I don't enlighten the seller about the real market value of their good they're selling to me. This way i bought an unded Grawl for 7k a year ago, sold for 250e the same evening.
Never had to lie per se, just 'hid the truth'. But that's what trading in MMOs is about, ain't it?
Never had to lie per se, just 'hid the truth'. But that's what trading in MMOs is about, ain't it?
LicensedLuny
I wouldn't lie to anyone like what you describe, no. I'll offer a price and stick to it or haggle, depending on the item. I have no problems with the concept of "buy low/sell high," and I'm not above seizing the opportunity if I see someone offering a price that I know is a great deal.
But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game.
EDIT - I'd have thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps it's worth mentioning here. If you need more incentive to not lie like what's described in the OP, consider this. There's a good chance that the people you try to convince to overpay with the BS story about how rare your item is will know it's BS. From that point on, they know you to be the sort who
Not worth it!
But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game.
EDIT - I'd have thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps it's worth mentioning here. If you need more incentive to not lie like what's described in the OP, consider this. There's a good chance that the people you try to convince to overpay with the BS story about how rare your item is will know it's BS. From that point on, they know you to be the sort who
- finds pixels in a video game more important than dealing straight with folks, and/or
- may not really have much clue about gear in this game.
Not worth it!
jimbo32
Agree with Luny completely. It's the reason why I started this thread here originally, although it quickly devolved into a "stuff I hate about trading" thing.
Anyone who descends to such nonsense as lying about item rarity or whatever is scamming in my opinion. I know that some people will insist that "let the buyer beware" should be the first general rule of GW trades, but I think that misleading fellow players just to earn a few extra plat should be a ban-able offense. It's not much different than the ever-popular snowflake scam.
However, buying at the sellers advertised price (or the inverse - selling at the buyers price) is a different matter completely. There's no misinformation provided on either side of the trade, so I don't see anything wrong with it. Sometimes, people just want to get rid of stuff in a hurry (or buy something RIGHT NOW!), and taking advantage of that mindset is perfectly ok.
Anyone who descends to such nonsense as lying about item rarity or whatever is scamming in my opinion. I know that some people will insist that "let the buyer beware" should be the first general rule of GW trades, but I think that misleading fellow players just to earn a few extra plat should be a ban-able offense. It's not much different than the ever-popular snowflake scam.
However, buying at the sellers advertised price (or the inverse - selling at the buyers price) is a different matter completely. There's no misinformation provided on either side of the trade, so I don't see anything wrong with it. Sometimes, people just want to get rid of stuff in a hurry (or buy something RIGHT NOW!), and taking advantage of that mindset is perfectly ok.
Internetuser
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Unless you're a really bad trader no need to lie.
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Or people with no knowledge of what they're selling.
Examples include bad req8 weapons
Hobbs
I wouldn't lie but I have no problem with taking advantage of someone who is misinformed. I bought around 25 minis recently to fill my HoM and I paid well below market price for virtually all of them by just waiting for low WTS messages in Party Search.
However, while buying pumpkin cookies this week a told a guy that his spammable sweets were worth more than the 100g I was offering for cookies but he still insisted on selling me a few stacks of corn and apples at 100g each. Some people are seemingly willing to be parted with their money.
However, while buying pumpkin cookies this week a told a guy that his spammable sweets were worth more than the 100g I was offering for cookies but he still insisted on selling me a few stacks of corn and apples at 100g each. Some people are seemingly willing to be parted with their money.
Marty Silverblade
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Originally Posted by Magezi
Hello,
I was wondering about the honesty of you traders out there. Do u lie if you get a nice trade out of it? For example: "This purple Crystalline sword is one of the rarest swords ingame, it doesn't drop anymore, I got it from a chest 4 years ago!!!" etc.etc. Or even: this frozen ecto will defreeze after the event etcetc. ?!! Plz tell me ur opinions, I, for myself, would lie to others, however, I wouldn't scam them, like the frozen ecto scam. Greetings Magezi |
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However, buying at the sellers advertised price (or the inverse - selling at the buyers price) is a different matter completely. There's no misinformation provided on either side of the trade, so I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny
But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game.
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In-game though...I think of it as I am lying for something that really dosen't exist so theres really no way for me to justify lying to myself.
I know aren't I horrible?
superraptors
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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny
I wouldn't lie to anyone like what you describe, no. I'll offer a price and stick to it or haggle, depending on the item. I have no problems with the concept of "buy low/sell high," and I'm not above seizing the opportunity if I see someone offering a price that I know is a great deal.
But intentionally trying to mislead someone about the rarity/value of something is an incredibly shitty thing to do in my opinion. I'd have trouble doing that for real money. I'm certainly not going to do that for some pixels in a video game. EDIT - I'd have thought this was common knowledge, but perhaps it's worth mentioning here. If you need more incentive to not lie like what's described in the OP, consider this. There's a good chance that the people you try to convince to overpay with the BS story about how rare your item is will know it's BS. From that point on, they know you to be the sort who
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Pleikki
I'll also completely agree with luny.,..
dansamy
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Originally Posted by Hobbs
I wouldn't lie but I have no problem with taking advantage of someone who is misinformed. I bought around 25 minis recently to fill my HoM and I paid well below market price for virtually all of them by just waiting for low WTS messages in Party Search.
However, while buying pumpkin cookies this week a told a guy that his spammable sweets were worth more than the 100g I was offering for cookies but he still insisted on selling me a few stacks of corn and apples at 100g each. Some people are seemingly willing to be parted with their money. |
SkyFallsInThunder
I have to agree with Luny, too.
A rather funny story, I met someone in-game who likes to scam people, but he did the most stupid and pointless scam I have ever heard of: when zkeys were still some 4.5k, he was buying them one by one and offering in the trade window 4.005 gold instead of 4.500 gold. And then he would spend time selling them for 5k/each. And he was very proud of getting away with it all, as only like 1 in 10 people ever whisped him back to complain. How awesome is that!?
A rather funny story, I met someone in-game who likes to scam people, but he did the most stupid and pointless scam I have ever heard of: when zkeys were still some 4.5k, he was buying them one by one and offering in the trade window 4.005 gold instead of 4.500 gold. And then he would spend time selling them for 5k/each. And he was very proud of getting away with it all, as only like 1 in 10 people ever whisped him back to complain. How awesome is that!?
Sethellington
I don't tend to correct people if they're wrong let's put it that way. Someone shouts "WTS: Destroyer Curses Wand", I whisp "How much?", he replies "15k", I'm not gonna tell him it's currently worth aroudn 5x that. But I won't lie outright.
Rushin Roulette
I would not lie while trading, I however like to haggle prices.
When selling I will intentionally post a WTS at a high price and Whisper an intentionally low price while buying.
If I can buy at the lowball price all the better (however I do prefere a good haggle), If I get a reply on the lines of "LMAO noob" then I know its not worth my time, effort and patience to trade with that idiot.
The best scenario for me personally is if the buyer or seller actively haggles the price with me (even considering scenario 1 where I get the sought after item for a lowball price). In the end its just 2 people trading pixels for pixels, so I value the interaction over the pixels.
I do however like to scam scammers or waste their time though. My favorite one is the one who buys ectos and cancles trades so often that you dont look at the price he is posting after a while... I always look at the amount he is paying and only put in the items after the funds have been entered.
i. E. the scammer puts in 10K instead of 100K for 15 ectos, I put in 15 Muursat Tokekns. In the end the scammer is scammed and I have to farm 15 tokens for the next scammer who comes along and tries that trick.
Please also note, if the buyer puts in 100K in trade I will never put in Tokens, I will put in Ectos, so I only intentionaly scam the scammers.
When selling I will intentionally post a WTS at a high price and Whisper an intentionally low price while buying.
If I can buy at the lowball price all the better (however I do prefere a good haggle), If I get a reply on the lines of "LMAO noob" then I know its not worth my time, effort and patience to trade with that idiot.
The best scenario for me personally is if the buyer or seller actively haggles the price with me (even considering scenario 1 where I get the sought after item for a lowball price). In the end its just 2 people trading pixels for pixels, so I value the interaction over the pixels.
I do however like to scam scammers or waste their time though. My favorite one is the one who buys ectos and cancles trades so often that you dont look at the price he is posting after a while... I always look at the amount he is paying and only put in the items after the funds have been entered.
i. E. the scammer puts in 10K instead of 100K for 15 ectos, I put in 15 Muursat Tokekns. In the end the scammer is scammed and I have to farm 15 tokens for the next scammer who comes along and tries that trick.
Please also note, if the buyer puts in 100K in trade I will never put in Tokens, I will put in Ectos, so I only intentionaly scam the scammers.
novawhiz
'powertrading' is often just a euphemism for scamming.
How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot.
The buyer/seller doesn't know its worth so its their fault right?
How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot.
The buyer/seller doesn't know its worth so its their fault right?
Rushin Roulette
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'powertrading' is often just a euphemism for scamming.
How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot. |
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Pleikki
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Originally Posted by novawhiz
'powertrading' is often just a euphemism for scamming.
How is trading an EL henchy tonic worth some 2ke+ for a salvage kit any different from selling Frozen Ecto or a crap purple for a lot. The buyer/seller doesn't know its worth so its their fault right? |
Hobbs
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I've had minis hanging around for so long that I undercut what I saw other players asking so that I could be assured of fast trades. I made 300k+ in one evening dumping minis from across the years.
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Roen
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Originally Posted by drkn
I don't enlighten the seller about the real market value of their good they're selling to me. This way i bought an unded Grawl for 7k a year ago, sold for 250e the same evening.
Never had to lie per se, just 'hid the truth'. But that's what trading in MMOs is about, ain't it? |
I don't trade much but if I were in a trade and somebody said they'd take 7k for something I knew was worth an obscenely large sum over that, I'd tell them. "Dude, that's worth a ton more than 7k. I'll give you X for it instead." Where X is something I think is fair but below what I know I can sell it for at a tidy profit.
If I told somebody, "That's worth a LOT more..." and they said, "whatever, I don't care" then I'd say tyvm and happily give 'em the 7k.
dansamy
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There's undercutting the market and then there's selling 2 fourth year whites and a fourth year purple for a total of 12k.
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carnage-runner
I lie all the time. Tell people my stuff is super super rare and impossible to find. The problem is I'm lying to people who live on guru as well so it tends to fail epic.
Moral of the story.
It's a game, do what you have to to enjoy it. If your enjoyment is at someone else' expense then that's the nature of the beast. Educate yourself and you won't get caught with your pants down.
P.S. I don't lie, my morals are too insecure.
Moral of the story.
It's a game, do what you have to to enjoy it. If your enjoyment is at someone else' expense then that's the nature of the beast. Educate yourself and you won't get caught with your pants down.
P.S. I don't lie, my morals are too insecure.
nem coke
No I don't lie, when I used to power trade I didn't lie either. I keep trades simple, like:
Buyer: How much for your item.
Me: <price>
Buyer: Yes/ No thanks. -> trade successful/not successful
OR
Buyer ( in the last line) : Can I / Would you / Will you / Can we / Want to / Please I need moneyz/ and whatnot else -> Trade unsuccessful.
You might think I'm being an ass for being so crude, but I'm usually selling items under price so I'm pretty sure that these means of trade are fair.
And yea, I guess I'm an ass when power trading
Buyer: How much for your item.
Me: <price>
Buyer: Yes/ No thanks. -> trade successful/not successful
OR
Buyer ( in the last line) : Can I / Would you / Will you / Can we / Want to / Please I need moneyz/ and whatnot else -> Trade unsuccessful.
You might think I'm being an ass for being so crude, but I'm usually selling items under price so I'm pretty sure that these means of trade are fair.
And yea, I guess I'm an ass when power trading
ange misericordieux
Only naabs try to lie for sell/buy items
DonCorleoneCS
Negative. I've bought under 10 items cheaper than their value with the idea of resale. I usually felt bad afterwards anyway. I tend to tell people the actual value even if I want it...
carnage-runner
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Negative. I've bought under 10 items cheaper than their value with the idea of resale. I usually felt bad afterwards anyway. I tend to tell people the actual value even if I want it...
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jon comgree
Well, way I see it is that if someone is as they say "uninformed" I will gladly take it, say someone is selling ectos for 4k a piece, I will buy them and not inform them of their misfortune for its your fault for not knowing the price.
tghoodoo
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Well, way I see it is that if someone is as they say "uninformed" I will gladly take it, say someone is selling ectos for 4k a piece, I will buy them and not inform them of their misfortune for its your fault for not knowing the price.
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So what i'm tryina say is... U don't need to lie to make good money. U just gotta keep yur eyes open and wait. i've got items i'm not gunna sell until i find someone that is looking for that item.
Gennadios
A few days after the HoM release, I bought an unded White Rabbit, Freezie, and Cloudtouched Simian from one person for roughly 60k.
It was only a few days after I came out of retirement and I wasn't sure about the prices myself, but I was fairly sure I was underpaying.
Didn't ask the seller any questions though, I had a Monument of Devotion to fill out, and the seller was wearing black dyed Vabbian, so I assumed they knew what they were doing.
It was only a few days after I came out of retirement and I wasn't sure about the prices myself, but I was fairly sure I was underpaying.
Didn't ask the seller any questions though, I had a Monument of Devotion to fill out, and the seller was wearing black dyed Vabbian, so I assumed they knew what they were doing.
obastable
To answer the OP: No.
If I see someone selling for way below the items perceived value I'll tell them (whether I want the item or not).
Taking advantage of ignorance is what it is, be it in game or in every day life.
Sometimes people take the advice & raise their prices, and others are just trying to unload the item and get back to playing. When it comes to the latter the person is offering a deal, and being a woman who likes to shop I'm all about finding a good sale.
If I see someone selling for way below the items perceived value I'll tell them (whether I want the item or not).
Taking advantage of ignorance is what it is, be it in game or in every day life.
Sometimes people take the advice & raise their prices, and others are just trying to unload the item and get back to playing. When it comes to the latter the person is offering a deal, and being a woman who likes to shop I'm all about finding a good sale.
animal fighter
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Taking advantage of ignorance is what it is, be it in game or in every day life.
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there's even a price check forum for that sort of thing. and ignorance isn't the only reason people might be selling something cheap. often times people (including myself) will sell things below value, for a quick trade.
if you think you have an item that's worth quite a bit, and don't know its true value, then you're selling the item for a price that you want for it.
example: get a req9 obsidian edge in FoW and instantly go to kamadan looking for 20e for it, not knowing what its true value is, just knowing that it's a good drop. then that's entirely your own fault for not doing proper research on your drop. even asking "PC q9 obsidian edge" in kamadan will net you several price checks.
as for lying during trading: I won't outright lie, omitting information or being too broad maybe. 'it very nice itemer u buy?' I'm trying to sell this triple mod focus as we speak, but anyone who asks if it will stay in the game I just say no.
obastable
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well when I'm about to sell an item, I research it thoroughly on guru, often searching through many different threads to find out its price. if the seller does not want to take the time to do that, then it's their loss, not mine.
there's even a price check forum for that sort of thing. and ignorance isn't the only reason people might be selling something cheap. often times people (including myself) will sell things below value, for a quick trade. |
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A large percentage of gamers don't even use fan sites. If memory serves the numbers for & against are about the same. I would consider this a moderately valid argument, though, if Anet actually ran and/or advertised fan sites in the game or in the packaging. Anet supports the in-game economy to a minimal extent, and does not support it outside of the game at all. This is what people are taking advantage of when they choose to lie, cheat, deceive, or not be forthright with information. <-- This is where I lay the blame, NOT on some random player who didn't know (through no fault of their own) about whichever price check forum on whichever fan site Google decided to pop up on a search.
animal fighter
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I know I have in the past, and I know for sure every trader has trades that they regret. But hey, it's part of the game. The players with the knowledge of prices usually have large amounts of money because of it. I've merched some stuff back in the day that would be 50e+ now. That was my own fault for not knowing.
Learn from mistakes, etc.
Tommy's
No I don't ever tell lies to people to improve my profit from a trade. In fact, if someone sells something for like 5k while its worth 40e I tend to give him 20e or something, just so I can live a bit more with myself, and he is very happy aswell (at least for a while). But I guess thats why I'm not so rich. But I can still live with myself.
I'm very sory to hear this. Appearantly you don't understand that there are people that can't get great education for some reason, aren't born with the brains someone else has and have alot of dificulties to learn things. We should take care of those people and try to teach them, instead of exploiting them. And perhabs your education about the nature of the beast isn't so great by itself, as there is a big difference between fun and survival. Besides that alot of animals don't have a 'I must eat, so screw you' attitude.
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It's a game, do what you have to to enjoy it. If your enjoyment is at someone else' expense then that's the nature of the beast. Educate yourself and you won't get caught with your pants down.
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makosi
I don't lie and I also tell random people if they're selling too low. Darwinism is cruel, yet natural and outwith our countrol. Social Darwinism is also cruel but is unnatural and within our control.
Kamadan ad1 is full of vultures waiting to dive down and scoop up some less informed people. You can say what you want to try and justify to yourself and other greed-driven immorals, but you're only taking comfort in affirmation.
Trust that gut feeling you get.
Kamadan ad1 is full of vultures waiting to dive down and scoop up some less informed people. You can say what you want to try and justify to yourself and other greed-driven immorals, but you're only taking comfort in affirmation.
Trust that gut feeling you get.
Roen
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Trust that gut feeling you get.
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DonCorleoneCS
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I hope you are including that Jitte...
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Karate Jesus
I'm a sucker. I always try to give/receive fair prices, even at my own expense.
Needless to say, I get ripped off a lot :/
Needless to say, I get ripped off a lot :/
Midget Minionmaster
Ive had my fair history of getting scammed and it happens a lot in MMO's. I wont go to the extent of a MEGA scam, but if someone is selling a bone dragon when they were worth 100k, for 16k, ill buy it!(true story)
Bright Star Shine
I don't lie either...
Same thing as the others: if someone sells something WAY below price, I'll surely buy it, and most likely not inform them on their loss, but I wouldn't try to lie to people to get rid of some stuff of mine, just cause I wanna make some profit or something, that's weak (yes, I'm directly referring to you, you arab -the guy I'm talking about will know, if he ever reads this-).
I also never lie bout wanting to resell an item.. If someone sells something, and I ask c/o and it's too high, I always literally say: "No sorry, no profit in that." and I notice that people prefer that, they always tend to not be pissed or think that I'm wasting their time when I do so, and always reply friendly
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How cliché it might sound, people will like you more when you're completely honest with them (my gf likes my 100% honesty on every aspect of life sometimes, but she can be really frustrated other times) and they will be friendly(ier) when you are, even when you just literally said to them that you wanted to resell their item for your own gain ...
Same thing as the others: if someone sells something WAY below price, I'll surely buy it, and most likely not inform them on their loss, but I wouldn't try to lie to people to get rid of some stuff of mine, just cause I wanna make some profit or something, that's weak (yes, I'm directly referring to you, you arab -the guy I'm talking about will know, if he ever reads this
-).I also never lie bout wanting to resell an item.. If someone sells something, and I ask c/o and it's too high, I always literally say: "No sorry, no profit in that." and I notice that people prefer that, they always tend to not be pissed or think that I'm wasting their time when I do so, and always reply friendly
.How cliché it might sound, people will like you more when you're completely honest with them (my gf likes my 100% honesty on every aspect of life sometimes, but she can be really frustrated other times
) and they will be friendly(ier) when you are, even when you just literally said to them that you wanted to resell their item for your own gain ...