How is anyone ever expected to find this content?
Following a survey, ANet cam to the conclusion that players thought it was too hard to find, too obscure. Now they have added quests for WiK to address that but it oooks like they made it even harder for players to know what to do!
Part of the problem is that it's bugged to heck, even after fix, I am trying to help someone get it started and they just cant get the quest to recruit the vangard. Even with Wiki the whole quest chain seems either broken or unfathomable.
As for the new Hearts content, seriously, without wiki how would anyone know what to do to get started or to even know about the arrow?
It seems that ANet really haven't thought about this at all or learned the lesson from the first WiK launch. This really needs to be better implemented. What is the point in spending time and effort developing this stuff just so a very few people who read forums and wiki can enjoy it? Anyone else would be completely clueless about its existence.
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Fay Vert
eekzor
If it weren't for wiki or asking others in game, there would be a lot of people who would never find it.
Gennadios
This kind of content doesn't get coded overnight, Hearts of the North was probably in the works long before the survey was issued or analyzed.
Expect improvements for Winds of Change, suck it up and deal with the remainder of the Kryta content.
Expect improvements for Winds of Change, suck it up and deal with the remainder of the Kryta content.
dsielschott
.....well if they just told you where Thackery was then he wouldn't be lost... the buggyness is kinda frustrating for some apparently but I myself have done it with 3 characters and not experience 1 bug yet....
RedDog91
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As for the new Hearts content, seriously, without wiki how would anyone know what to do to get started or to even know about the arrow?
It seems that ANet really haven't thought about this at all or learned the lesson from the first WiK launch. This really needs to be better implemented. What is the point in spending time and effort developing this stuff just so a very few people who read forums and wiki can enjoy it? Anyone else would be completely clueless about its existence. |
And ANET did think about it. It's meant to be a hunt. You aren't suppose to be able to just jump into it by speaking to 1 NPC in 1 town. It's end-game content that is leading to GW2.
It's not like they release the info to wiki or guru. Players find it and tell other people. Its actually meant to be 1000x harder than it is. So complaining that its too hard is kind of annoying to hear.
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As for the new Hearts content, seriously, without wiki how would anyone know what to do to get started or to even know about the arrow? |
Fay Vert
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Well, first of all, you have to have completed Battle of Lion's Arch and watched the dialog in HoM witht he 3 people saying Keiran probably isn't dead in order to start the Hearts content. So you're "without WiK..." sentence is pointless.
And ANET did think about it. It's meant to be a hunt. You aren't suppose to be able to just jump into it by speaking to 1 NPC in 1 town. It's end-game content that is leading to GW2. It's not like they release the info to wiki or guru. Players find it and tell other people. Its actually meant to be 1000x harder than it is. So complaining that its too hard is kind of annoying to hear. |
BTW, not talking about me, Try thinking about other people for once!
Spiritz
I found it quite amusing - i walked out of eotn outpost and spotted a new npc - spoke to him.From what he said i thought about the gwen dialog and where the footprints ended - by a stream/river ... wik is in kryta - so was kieran ... only a few places have a river ... and luckily i chose the right one .
The fun was trying to find an object i didnt know what it was - so i ran around pressing alt to see things and bingo i saw the arrowhead.
If i had been told where it was it wouldnt have been as much fun.
"clueless about its existence" - wik had major viral campaign but hotn hasnt .. but it was announced live on guildwars website ( yes if you didnt realise guildwars.com and they have some details on wik and hotn - just incase no1 knew :P ) and players have been told for a few weeks its going to progress via interviews etc ... unless your a new player ( which i know youre not ) and dont know about the website etc i dont know how you would be clueless.
The fun was trying to find an object i didnt know what it was - so i ran around pressing alt to see things and bingo i saw the arrowhead.
If i had been told where it was it wouldnt have been as much fun.
"clueless about its existence" - wik had major viral campaign but hotn hasnt .. but it was announced live on guildwars website ( yes if you didnt realise guildwars.com and they have some details on wik and hotn - just incase no1 knew :P ) and players have been told for a few weeks its going to progress via interviews etc ... unless your a new player ( which i know youre not ) and dont know about the website etc i dont know how you would be clueless.
IlikeGW
The mess this has turned out to be scares me for GW2. If they can't keep track of one new quest line in this 'open world scavenger' style how are they going to do 100's at once.
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unless your a new player and dont know about the website
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Even if someone doesn't use Wiki or Guru, chances are that they know someone who does. A person who goes through this game without ANY interaction with other people isn't going to get far at all. At the very least they're going to ask for help in an outpost/town and be aware (after being informed by others) that communities outside the game exist which they can go to for help. Cripes, there's even a /wiki command ¬_¬
What I HAVEN'T liked so far is the fact that bugs occurred so easily with the update yesterday which affected existing quests/events in WiK. That seems to be fixed now however (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
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unless your a new player ( which i know youre not ) and dont know about the website etc i dont know how you would be clueless.
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While unintended bugs are irritating, as they always are, they're being fixed as soon as the team can. The intended part, however, is completely fine as it is.
joseph Mckennie
For anyone who actually reads dialogue, the first two should have been pretty easy to find. They said he swam across the giants basin, and seeing as how we cant actually get across ourselves, the obvious place to begin our search is the giants basin (the big body of water marked by signs in wathctower coast). Then the enemy you pursue escapes into the jungle, which only has one traversable entrance, which is through majesty's rest. But as for everything after that, I completely agree that the thrid one was a bit hard to find. They gave NO clues as to where it was aside from 'further in the jungle' (which is a pretty big search area) and the area it was in had nothing to do with previous WiK content. And the fourth clue had an equally large area to cover as its only clue was pretty much "between here and beetletun"
Ailina
Wait, ok, I think I'm missing something huge. What "clue" is there in the Scout's dialogue besides saying that we should "start looking in Kryta". What hint is in there that I'm missing? How does that in any way suggest where in Kryta to start looking?
Which footprints are you talking about?
I feel like I'm missing something obvious...
I mean, once you see the Scout's short dialogue, what do you do next?
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I found it quite amusing - i walked out of eotn outpost and spotted a new npc - spoke to him.From what he said i thought about the gwen dialog and where the footprints ended - by a stream/river ... wik is in kryta - so was kieran ... only a few places have a river ... and luckily i chose the right one .
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I feel like I'm missing something obvious...
I mean, once you see the Scout's short dialogue, what do you do next?
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Wait, ok, I think I'm missing something huge. What "clue" is there in the Scout's dialogue besides saying that we should "start looking in Kryta". What hint is in there that I'm missing? How does that in any way suggest where in Kryta to start looking?
Which footprints are you talking about? I feel like I'm missing something obvious... I mean, once you see the Scout's short dialogue, what do you do next? |
joseph Mckennie
I never said anything about the scout's short dialogue. I was refering to the dialogue at the end of all of the previous WiK content where they tell Gwen "Thackerays gone, we found evidence of him being alive near the Giant's Basin" You'd have to have seen the dialogue before the scout shows up. Or just chilled in the hall of monuments and not paying attention to the dialogue that was going on, and missing important plot information, as people tend to do.
As a side note, re-reading my comments, Im sorry if I come off as sounding condescending. I dont mean to. Im just not really good at conveying tone through text I suppose o.o
As a side note, re-reading my comments, Im sorry if I come off as sounding condescending. I dont mean to. Im just not really good at conveying tone through text I suppose o.o
KingCrab
New content should be easy to find, but challenging.
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The mess this has turned out to be scares me for GW2. If they can't keep track of one new quest line in this 'open world scavenger' style how are they going to do 100's at once.
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Guild wars 2 is not coded by a limited number of programmers, like the team still working on guild wars 1 new contents
Ailina
No, no, trust me, I read all the dialogue and do all side quests, just for that reason.
However, I'd finished WiK for the last time a while ago, so I completely forgot about that dialogue at the end of BLA. I feel kind of silly now.
I just re-read the dialogue, and am now on my way to follow the clues and find him myself. I am eschewing the wiki for this part.
However, I'd finished WiK for the last time a while ago, so I completely forgot about that dialogue at the end of BLA. I feel kind of silly now.
I just re-read the dialogue, and am now on my way to follow the clues and find him myself. I am eschewing the wiki for this part.
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"clueless about its existence" - wik had major viral campaign but hotn hasnt .. but it was announced live on guildwars website ( yes if you didnt realise guildwars.com and they have some details on wik and hotn - just incase no1 knew :P ) and players have been told for a few weeks its going to progress via interviews etc ... unless your a new player ( which i know youre not ) and dont know about the website etc i dont know how you would be clueless.
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Ailina
Hmm... also, ok, now I think I'm genuinely confused...
They said about him being North of Lesser Giant's Basin and continuing north...
North of Lesser Giant's Basin is a large amount of green and unexplorable land, stretching up to the top of the entire map with no rivers...
So how/why are we looking in Watchtower coast etc, which is far south of that?
They said about him being North of Lesser Giant's Basin and continuing north...
North of Lesser Giant's Basin is a large amount of green and unexplorable land, stretching up to the top of the entire map with no rivers...
So how/why are we looking in Watchtower coast etc, which is far south of that?
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Hmm... also, ok, now I think I'm genuinely confused...
They said about him being North of Lesser Giant's Basin and continuing north... North of Lesser Giant's Basin is a large amount of green and unexplorable land, stretching up to the top of the entire map with no rivers... So how/why are we looking in Watchtower coast etc, which is far south of that? |
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From a strategic standpoint... why go back? We assume that the White Mantle was pursuing him the entire way. If he had enough time to do the above action, why go back and not continue north back to the Eye to get help or to state that he had achieved his goal?
I'unno... seems weird. I <3 the new content and I appreciate the work that has been put into GW:B, but lore-wise and story-wise it seems a little shambly.
Edit: It's not like he was a nobody in the Ebon Vanguard... wouldn't it be safe to say that the WM had checkpoints and camps along the way as they persued him?
Also, he was injured when he went north with Langmar.... Are you meaning to tell me he swam at least 3.5 miles, as an injured man, carrying along another injured passenger? A 6 foot tall person can see 3 miles. Standing on the shore of that basin you can't see the other side (Probably never designed to be that way, but lets just assume), so that means he had to swim at least 3-5 miles to get to the Northern side.
joseph Mckennie
My thought process was he couldnt swim across to the north side without first coming to the south side, coming from the ascalon settlement and all. Of course, that was irrelevant, since the clue was left after he ruturned from the north side, but all in all, the best place to start a search for someone is the last place he was seen to be. And if you cant get there, get as close as you can (i.e. the southern shore of the Giant's basin)
Also, I may be missing something, but it appears to me Thackeray was never injured. Definitely tired, and with the added weight of Langmar, who WAS injured (and later died) but I dont remember anyone saying Thackeray was hurt, and he seemed completely healthy during his quests.
Also, I may be missing something, but it appears to me Thackeray was never injured. Definitely tired, and with the added weight of Langmar, who WAS injured (and later died) but I dont remember anyone saying Thackeray was hurt, and he seemed completely healthy during his quests.
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My thought process was he couldnt swim across to the north side without first coming to the south side, coming from the ascalon settlement and all. Of course, that was irrelevant, since the clue was left after he ruturned from the north side, but all in all, the best place to start a search for someone is the last place he was seen to be. And if you cant get there, get as close as you can (i.e. the southern shore of the Giant's basin)
Also, I may be missing something, but it appears to me Thackeray was never injured. Definitely tired, and with the added weight of Langmar, who WAS injured (and later died) but I dont remember anyone saying Thackeray was hurt, and he seemed completely healthy during his quests. |
"Lawrence Crafton: Nothing conclusive. Tracks that lead away from the grave site indicate that he [Thackeray] too was injured. They head north for a ways but then... "
My source: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments
Either way, injured or not, it's insane to assume he'd swim that far lugging Langmar with him.
Bolded emphasis is mine, by the way. Just to be clear, just in case it wasn't.
joseph Mckennie
Oh. Well, thanks for the link and quote. It is a little absurd to think someone could swim across such a huge distance, even at its shortest sections. But then we are playing a game that involves 8 people killing Gods and entire species of lava monsters. Im not sure what to think of it really.
Anakita Snakecharm
Since Thackeray is capable of healing himself, he wouldn't be likely to stay injured for long even if he got hurt. I think it's probable that he did get injured but couldn't use his skill in the water while dragging another person.
I don't necessarily think we saw him right when he came ashore. He got a haircut and grew serious stubble in the meantime, which seemed to suggest that at least several hours had passed. By the time we saw him, he may have gotten fairly far from where he exited the water and buried Langmar.
I don't necessarily think we saw him right when he came ashore. He got a haircut and grew serious stubble in the meantime, which seemed to suggest that at least several hours had passed. By the time we saw him, he may have gotten fairly far from where he exited the water and buried Langmar.
Hyperventilate
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Since Thackeray is capable of healing himself, he wouldn't be likely to stay injured for long even if he got hurt. I think it's probable that he did get injured but couldn't use his skill in the water while dragging another person.
I don't necessarily think we saw him right when he came ashore. He got a haircut and grew serious stubble in the meantime, which seemed to suggest that at least several hours had passed. By the time we saw him, he may have gotten fairly far from where he exited the water and buried Langmar. |
A lot of heroes and NPCS all throughout all the campaigns have had heal skills but some have had scripted deaths. Why didn't their heal spells help them then? I don't think lore-wise heal spells are supposed to be there (Sans the monks), since most NPCs we see will have some sort of heal.
I don't know... I'm not buying "He had a heal signet therefore he's hunky dory now."
I'd be more apt to believe that after burying Langmar he simply hid out for a day (or two, whatever) and then made his way back.
The problem I'm having is not only did he, injured, carry another injured body across a massive expanse of water (see: A 6 foot tall man can see 3 miles), but he proceeded to walk back in potentially tainted conditions (See: WM were looking for him, camps/checkpoints/etc set up along the edge of the water.)
Not to mention it would've been exceptionally easy for the WM to pick off two injured people in the middle of the water. (See: WM just getting a boat/raft/log/etc, or rangers pegging them from shore/Spectral Agony.).
Being a storytelling game, the story for Kieran's stuff wasn't really well thought out.
Either way, I enjoyed being an incredibly OP ranger, and I was definitely looking forward to the ending of War In Kryta.
Ailina
Quick question: I went into watchtower coast with two characters (one from my main account and one from my alt). They've both completed the whole WiK storyline and BLA and all that (yes, I know that's redundant).
However, my main acct's char can get the quest, while the other one can't (it just has no dialogue and the "X I'll be on my way" button).
The only difference I can think of is that the alt char hasn't talked to the Scout outside EotN. Is that required to get the quest? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere...
However, my main acct's char can get the quest, while the other one can't (it just has no dialogue and the "X I'll be on my way" button).
The only difference I can think of is that the alt char hasn't talked to the Scout outside EotN. Is that required to get the quest? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere...
Hyperventilate
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Quick question: I went into watchtower coast with two characters (one from my main account and one from my alt). They've both completed the whole WiK storyline and BLA and all that (yes, I know that's redundant).
However, my main acct's char can get the quest, while the other one can't (it just has no dialogue and the "X I'll be on my way" button). The only difference I can think of is that the alt char hasn't talked to the Scout outside EotN. Is that required to get the quest? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere... |
I don't think talking to the scout means anything.
If Murro doesn't say you require anything (Just check, you never know...), then it's probably just a bug.
joseph Mckennie
I had the same problem with my ritualist. have you tried going to the HoM after you finished BLA and seeing the dialogue between Gwen and the three vanguard members telling her of Thackeray's disappearance? Thats what triggered mine to start.
Ailina
Ah yes, I tried it again a few minutes ago. I had done the whole questline on the two characters together, so I have no idea why I'd only seen the HoM dialogue on my main char.
Anyway, that should probably it. Thanks!
Anyway, that should probably it. Thanks!
ogre_jd
I don't see what the fuss is - like every other main character, he has power and strength as the plot demands. No big deal.
Skyy High
WiK has an overquest to guide people through, now. I'd imagine they didn't do the same for this because it's supposed to be a search for a missing person, so they wanted to let the hardcore fans who would enjoy this kind of "treasure hunt" do so without them spoiling it. I wouldn't be surprised if, after a month or two, they put in some more hints for people who still haven't done it. As for how anyone would have found it: well, clearly the hints they gave us were enough, cause we found 'em pretty quickly.
Remember, anyone who didn't understand / know about the WiK is just starting it now. They've got a long ways to go before they need to worry about this content. The "early adopters" really are the people who are in touch with the forums and wiki.
Remember, anyone who didn't understand / know about the WiK is just starting it now. They've got a long ways to go before they need to worry about this content. The "early adopters" really are the people who are in touch with the forums and wiki.
aspi
Wait a minute now, didn't Keiran go across the basin after the last quest? Seems more logical when participating in the last quest.
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Since Thackeray is capable of healing himself, he wouldn't be likely to stay injured for long even if he got hurt. I think it's probable that he did get injured but couldn't use his skill in the water while dragging another person.
I don't necessarily think we saw him right when he came ashore. He got a haircut and grew serious stubble in the meantime, which seemed to suggest that at least several hours had passed. By the time we saw him, he may have gotten fairly far from where he exited the water and buried Langmar. |
His hair didn't get cut, he just lost his hairtie.
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As for how anyone would have found it: well, clearly the hints they gave us were enough, cause we found 'em pretty quickly.
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ANet asked everyone what they thought about WiK and were told it was too hard to access and find, they acknowledged this. In response they added a new quest line, unfortunately bugged, but also added more content even harder to access! That's not very well done at all. If this is the sort of approach to adventuring in GW2 then they need to sort this sort of thing out, the best way is to listen to feedback rather than pamper to the Wiki hoards.
Hands up, how many claim to have done all his without wiki?
Skyy High
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Are you saying that this content is only for hardcore players?
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Aba
GW:b....
One big joke.
Anet has raped and pillaged are wallets and this story as much as they can.
Whats left you ask??
Well them doing it to Guildwars 2. which is why im not gonna buy.
Ive no plan on getting into a game only for them to change damn near everything about it, just to cater to new immature players
R.I.P old Good Guildwars.
One big joke.
Anet has raped and pillaged are wallets and this story as much as they can.
Whats left you ask??
Well them doing it to Guildwars 2. which is why im not gonna buy.
Ive no plan on getting into a game only for them to change damn near everything about it, just to cater to new immature players
R.I.P old Good Guildwars.
joseph Mckennie
How did they rape our wallets? Ive never paid for any beyond content, aside from the costume you dont need to have in order to DO the content. And God forbid a company asks people for money. I mean, we get a high quality online game for almost free, and people complain when an online store is implemented. I never would have thought a business needs money to stay open and continue to give us service. What monsters!
mrmango
Lol @ the haters. Gonna hate. derp