I liked the content, it was entertaining.
My complaints:
-Lag(Maybe not related to the content itself). I could play the rest of the game normally but while doing Keiran's quests, I couldn't. Simple as that.
-Miku's AI. "I'm using Promise of Death on Spirit of Brambles!" and "I'm using Promise of Death on Bone Horror!" during the battle was frustrating.
Feedback on Hearts of the North questline
Dratyan
RedDog91
^ "I'm using Promise of Death on this enemy that is all alone and is already 1 hit from dying and has no healing ability!"
that's what frustrated me
that's what frustrated me
Xiaquin
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-Miku's AI. "I'm using Promise of Death on Spirit of Brambles!" and "I'm using Promise of Death on Bone Horror!" during the battle was frustrating.
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RedDog91
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Truth, had her do that to a spirit. She also can have really bad timing with that skill, like when an enemy is about to die.
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kazjun
Miku's obviously our in for going to cantha for winds of change. Would be funny if she showed up just after the wedding and asked keiren for help. Cue gwen laying the smackdown on them both and ordering us to go keep an eye on the both of them. Oh, and saving the world again while we're there 
Charlie Dayman
Not sure if it was the same for anyone else, but I noticed that she uses the hex a lot better when fights start. She always seemed to target the people I called out fairly well. It's only until the fights start to drag on that she begins to hex random targets.
In any case, I hope they're planning to add in the wedding between now and the new Cantha content that's going to be released sometime in December. I really want to find out what the new hero will be, and the new items for the HOM.
Also hearing about Gwen later suing Thackery's ass for child-custody, because she seems like she'd do that.
In any case, I hope they're planning to add in the wedding between now and the new Cantha content that's going to be released sometime in December. I really want to find out what the new hero will be, and the new items for the HOM.
Also hearing about Gwen later suing Thackery's ass for child-custody, because she seems like she'd do that.
UNOXani
Found the quest string's quite easy, completed each several times now, not failed on any occassion, and I think "my sin" friend died once (And that was by a bit of bad luck, recovered without her help 
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Its not hard, anyone struggling needs to read the advice above, use Skill 1 when a target is called (On that target!!), and use the other skills to take down another target/hinder their skills. If you get a bad aggro, keep on the move, dont just stand there and get killed.
Time healing to as said above, keep you both pretty much invincible, and try to get the aggro on the sin, not yourself.
Overall good fun, enjoyed it, would be happy to see more solo content in the future (As other key characters), perhaps not as a long chain though.
Nice work anet!
).Its not hard, anyone struggling needs to read the advice above, use Skill 1 when a target is called (On that target!!), and use the other skills to take down another target/hinder their skills. If you get a bad aggro, keep on the move, dont just stand there and get killed.
Time healing to as said above, keep you both pretty much invincible, and try to get the aggro on the sin, not yourself.
Overall good fun, enjoyed it, would be happy to see more solo content in the future (As other key characters), perhaps not as a long chain though.
Nice work anet!
Arato
Alright maybe I'm just extremely unlucky, but I got pulls where all 3-4 white mantle had resses frequently, or if 1 of them didn't have a res, that's the one Miku picked to death mark (usually shadow stepping silent peacekeepers, which would either get marked, then have the hex removed, or get marked, and then blind me while I was in the middle of using sniper shot..), and a lot of the pulls for me involved mentors or pet using enemies that made the mob size larger.
There were other times when 1 WM was using FomF and one was using Signet of return at the same time, there was no way I was getting both of them interrupted so I let FomF go off cause it took half their health away.
Overall I only died twice, in the 3rd mission, but had to flee in all 3 missions with the heal skill and let Miku die dozens of times. Just I didn't consider those moments fun while White Mantle res spammed each other forcing me to flee. Some challenges are fun, some aren't and are just frustrating. I find res spam to be of the latter.
There were other times when 1 WM was using FomF and one was using Signet of return at the same time, there was no way I was getting both of them interrupted so I let FomF go off cause it took half their health away.
Overall I only died twice, in the 3rd mission, but had to flee in all 3 missions with the heal skill and let Miku die dozens of times. Just I didn't consider those moments fun while White Mantle res spammed each other forcing me to flee. Some challenges are fun, some aren't and are just frustrating. I find res spam to be of the latter.
kokuou
To the OP: "We Shall Return!" most definitely CAN be interrupted as I did it successfully many times.
Arato
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To the OP: "We Shall Return!" most definitely CAN be interrupted as I did it successfully many times.
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Kumu Honua
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Originally Posted by kokuou
To the OP: "We Shall Return!" most definitely CAN be interrupted as I did it successfully many times.
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You cannot interrupt a shout.
Charlie Dayman
This dialogue bug made me laugh pretty hard.
I could have sworn I went through that dialogue when I was starting up the WiK quest chain.
I could have sworn I went through that dialogue when I was starting up the WiK quest chain.
kokuou
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Originally Posted by Arato
It's a shout.. how the hell can you interrupt an instant shout?
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Still, I didn't run into any situations in which they used it so much that the content was difficult, I just had to remember who had what resurrect (which you should figure out quickly if you're dying often), and take them out either first or immediately after Sniper Shotting Miku's first marked target.
MithranArkanere
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It's a shout.. how the hell can you interrupt an instant shout?
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MisterB
Can someone post a screenshot of Promise of Death on a spirit? Because that's a hex, and spirits may not be hexed.
Her AI is bad, but then so is any other melee ally AI. Sometimes she just stands next to a wall during battles.
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Originally Posted by Dratyan
-Miku's AI. "I'm using Promise of Death on Spirit of Brambles!"
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Truth, had her do that to a spirit.
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NerfHerder
It was fun playing a Ranger on steroids. But I really dont want to take all my toons through Heart of the North. It was fun to take all 10 professions through WiK. At least then I could approach it in a different way.
I suggest making Heart of the North account wide. That way we dont have to be subjected to the same content over and over and over again, just to start C:WoC.
I suggest making Heart of the North account wide. That way we dont have to be subjected to the same content over and over and over again, just to start C:WoC.
SpyderArachnid
I really enjoyed it. It was a ton of fun and something completely new instead of the same ol' let me grab my heroes, give them the usual builds, and go roflstomp some mobs once again.
This time, you actually had to use a bit of strategy cause everything was solo and a new set of skills. It was alot of fun and definitely had a good time....
The first time.....
While I do agree it was fun, the downside about it being Thackery you always play, is that you have to do that on every single character you have. Like Nerfherder said, at least with WiK, you could approach it a different way for each character. Doing it this way, all characters have to keep doing the same thing over and over.
I have 18 characters to do this on. Really not looking forward to that....
This time, you actually had to use a bit of strategy cause everything was solo and a new set of skills. It was alot of fun and definitely had a good time....
The first time.....
While I do agree it was fun, the downside about it being Thackery you always play, is that you have to do that on every single character you have. Like Nerfherder said, at least with WiK, you could approach it a different way for each character. Doing it this way, all characters have to keep doing the same thing over and over.
I have 18 characters to do this on. Really not looking forward to that....
IlikeGW
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I suggest making Heart of the North account wide.
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mrmango
I dislike Gwen getting good times after being a b**** for soooo dang long. But the quests were fun in the set up for GW2 and future GW:B lore. I saw interesting though cheesey gameplay in the "Dialogue plus skill reference!" resulting in the two new skills in the latter missions.
I liked going to previous Prophecies locales, the ending was especially nice for the "I used to love this place" feeling.
Still, the Thackeray missions had repetitive gameplay, at least the skills were an interesting set, fun to see how many mobs you could fell.
I liked going to previous Prophecies locales, the ending was especially nice for the "I used to love this place" feeling.
Still, the Thackeray missions had repetitive gameplay, at least the skills were an interesting set, fun to see how many mobs you could fell.
RedStar
If you don't over aggro, I don't see how you can fail. Even if you don't use the right skill on the right target... for the first 2 missions I just used whatever skill could be used without even caring which enemy I was targeting.
And for the rez : well I didn't even know they could use "We Shall Return", and most of time when they use Signet of Return, the target will be rez with ~10% of health, so not that bothering.
Not everything can be rushed by playing randomly.
For a few seconds I actually thought she would say something along the lines of "I love you", but what she said made me laugh xD.
And for the rez : well I didn't even know they could use "We Shall Return", and most of time when they use Signet of Return, the target will be rez with ~10% of health, so not that bothering.
Not everything can be rushed by playing randomly.
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Arato
Actually, I'm having better luck pulling with sniper shot on the mob that has the most dangerous rez, instead of waiting for miku to mark targets, because she always picks the least dangerous targets (melee without resses) for her first target, IE the shadow stepping assassins) because they're closest.
That must have been my main problem, relying on Miku to pick the target for me and she picks poor targets. But still, we shall return is overpowered for enemy NPC's because the balancing aspect of the skill, the high cost, is negligible to enemy NPC's due to their high energy regen (isn't it like 8 pips or 10 pips of energy regen that they have?)
That must have been my main problem, relying on Miku to pick the target for me and she picks poor targets. But still, we shall return is overpowered for enemy NPC's because the balancing aspect of the skill, the high cost, is negligible to enemy NPC's due to their high energy regen (isn't it like 8 pips or 10 pips of energy regen that they have?)
cosyfiep
I found the quests ok, I didnt even realize they had rezzes as they all die pretty quick with the sin and head shot----(even got to kill off rotscale, though he dropped NOTHING at all).
I am not one for solo quests and probably wont do this (unless there is some really BIG incentive) on more of my characters (got one thru and will do another) since oppressor weapons can be gotten just as easily from doing the wanteds daily----(though I do like the skin on keirans bow).
it was a nice interlude, but hope they go back to the old group quests where you have your own skills for you own character (heck I made these for a reason--not to look at some slimy rangers butt!)
I am not one for solo quests and probably wont do this (unless there is some really BIG incentive) on more of my characters (got one thru and will do another) since oppressor weapons can be gotten just as easily from doing the wanteds daily----(though I do like the skin on keirans bow).
it was a nice interlude, but hope they go back to the old group quests where you have your own skills for you own character (heck I made these for a reason--not to look at some slimy rangers butt!)
mrmango
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Xiaquin
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For a few seconds I actually thought she would say something along the lines of "I love you"
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Charlie Dayman
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I totally read those words in the dialogues several times, but then realized it was only what I wanted to see.
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That's how it always starts.
Xx Citrus Spike Xx
It was ok, enjoyed the overpowered bar, called miku an idiot a few times.
Arato
Gwen claims she's changing but goes right back to being Tsundere when he comes back and proposes to her.
Keiran shows character development and growth throughout the whole arc, Gwen does not in the end.
Personally I would have ditched Gwen for Miku :3
Keiran shows character development and growth throughout the whole arc, Gwen does not in the end.
Personally I would have ditched Gwen for Miku :3
Adul
Personally, I'm not satisfied with where the live team has taken Gwen's personality. I mostly liked her in Eye of the North, she was an interesting character with a cool backstory, a wounded soul. For me, she went only downhill from there. In the Gwen-Thackeray-related dialogs she's just batshit crazy.
The post-War-in-Kryta dialog for example is just painful to read. The search teams arrive back to the Eye of the North and state that they couldn't find the missing soldiers. Gwen then just keeps asking them where Thackeray and Langmar is even though they've already told her. She flips out at some point and goes into a hysteric state, shouting. And the others for some reason seem comfortable with the fact that this insane person is their captain and superior.
Botched writing is what it is to me. It's sad because her character had so much potential.
The post-War-in-Kryta dialog for example is just painful to read. The search teams arrive back to the Eye of the North and state that they couldn't find the missing soldiers. Gwen then just keeps asking them where Thackeray and Langmar is even though they've already told her. She flips out at some point and goes into a hysteric state, shouting. And the others for some reason seem comfortable with the fact that this insane person is their captain and superior.
Botched writing is what it is to me. It's sad because her character had so much potential.
drkn
Yep, the same thing hit me. When Keiran finally meets her in HoM after his come back, she acts like a spoiled little emo princess.
MithranArkanere
Gwen is a tsundere.
Some guys dig that.
Some guys dig that.
Sytherek
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Personally, I'm not satisfied with where the live team has taken Gwen's personality. I mostly liked her in Eye of the North, she was an interesting character with a cool backstory, a wounded soul. For me, she went only downhill from there. In the Gwen-Thackeray-related dialogs she's just batshit crazy.
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I'd have followed Miku. She's a far nicer lady than the Shrew of the North.
lemming
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Unless the shouter lags bad, or unless you use skills that interrupt around like panic, or skills that interrupt next skill, or interrupt bots, you can't.
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Boogz
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Gwen is a tsundere.
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Arato
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I gave up, long ago, expecting game designers to have any clue about romance.
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Xiaquin
A guy to tries wooing a girl for the longest time, using every idea he knows. He goes missing, still harboring feelings for her, where it takes all of a few battles for him to fall for a complete stranger and forget about girl #1? Umm, no thanks, and if you think Gwen is cattish normally, I shudder to imagine what she'd do to the both of them.
Arato
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A guy to tries wooing a girl for the longest time, using every idea he knows. He goes missing, still harboring feelings for her, where it takes all of a few battles for him to fall for a complete stranger and forget about girl #1? Umm, no thanks, and if you think Gwen is cattish normally, I shudder to imagine what she'd do to the both of them.
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Artisan Archer
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Originally Posted by Arduin
Try spotting a person rezzing without clicking that person: the foe will shift his body towards the target, and most often the rez skill has a very obvious animation.
Click and press 3. Now you can constantly keep your eyes on the battlefield, instead of camping the skill warm-ups of the foes. you can even follow your 'sin buddy and anticipate what foe is getting marked next. Some skill animations are even documented on the wiki: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild...lls_animations. It pays off learning them by sight. |
Arato
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This. People in PvP have to do it all the time. No reason people in PvE shouldn't/can't.
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Instead of relying on Miku to pick a target, just sniper shot followed by interrupt on a likely resser so even if they don't die instantly they take a lot of damage and die in another shot or 2, followed by finding the other WM with a res and killing/rupting them while Miku goes ahead and wastes her time putting promise of death on that enforcer and soloing it. It would take 3 or 4 white mantle with a res in a pull to give trouble using that strategy instead.
PVP does have you find 1 person out of 4-8 trying to use a res, but you're never expected to interrupt 2+ people trying to res at the same time by yourself.
FoxBat
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That doesn't help when 2 of them are trying to res at the same time, you can only interrupt 1. If it were only 1 out of a group of 3 or 4 that had a res and was using it, there wouldn't be a problem, but when 2-3 of them have resses and Miku picked the one without a res to mark and 1 shot kill it kept screwing me because that Peacekeeper Enforcer would get ressed right after I killed it with sniper by one of the 2 other White Mantle that did have resses.
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Adul
I found the foes' attempts at resurrecting each other rather futile, even if I don't interrupt them. Both Keiran and Miku are capable of producing an overwhelming damage output, and in my experience even multi-res groups die easily if you just spam your attacks at them and use your healing skill whenever it's needed.