Help me pick the weapon for my Jora

Shadowlion

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Which is better for her? This sword or Deldrimor Sword? Here is her build, I'm a panic mesmer so hex the enemy a lot.

Also I don't understand why there is no "cruel" unique sword.

kilkelo

kilkelo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Charter Vanguard

N/E

I give my Jora a longsword, it looks gargantuan in her hands!

Shadowlion

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Yeah I know, but this one's stats is too amazing.

Cantos

Cantos

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Legion Of Losers

The Deldrimor Sword is better, but you could mod that to be the same anyway, so use whichever one has the skin you like more.

Zero The Hero

Zero The Hero

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

If you have the Bonus Missions you could use Turai's Sword for Jora, looks great in her hands,and you could mod it anyway you want. plus its free, great for warrior hero's.

domaspiragas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2010

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

D/E

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Originally Posted by kilkelo View Post
I give my Jora a longsword, it looks gargantuan in her hands! I'll one up that by saying... Give her an Emmy Blade, it's even larger.

Mouse at Large

Mouse at Large

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Scotland

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

Igneous Blade looks good as well

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

First off, that Warrior bar needs work.

Secondly, like the above posters, I think you should go for a larger weapon. I'm not sure how well it would match with the default gold armor, but the Deldrimor Sword looks good.

ajicorath

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sensation O Seven

Mo/Me

Slight thread hijack but when we finally get 7 heroes I'll need a melee hero to replace my bro who is a 100b Warrior.

I've tried experimenting with an Erfshakur hero but the knockdowns are rather sporadic, plus my Panic mesmer seems to shut them down efficiently enough. What are the viable melee hero options?
Dervs don't seem to be considered much anymore so is some kind of warrior build the way forward?

fenshadow

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2010

Mo/

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Originally Posted by ajicorath View Post
Slight thread hijack but when we finally get 7 heroes I'll need a melee hero to replace my bro who is a 100b Warrior.

I've tried experimenting with an Erfshakur hero but the knockdowns are rather sporadic, plus my Panic mesmer seems to shut them down efficiently enough. What are the viable melee hero options?
Dervs don't seem to be considered much anymore so is some kind of warrior build the way forward? Melee heroes are a giant pain in the backside. I love mine, and use them regularly (yes, in HM), but I can certainly see why most don't. If you're looking for a "super" quality hero replacement you might wish to look elsewhere.

As for builds, your best bets are likely going to be something along the lines of D/W Zealous Dervish and W/A Enduring Axe, both of which perform reasonably well (all things considered) by using their elites to completely sidestep a lot of the problems melee heroes currently have. Any build that follows that model - give them infinite energy/adrenaline, a bunch of skills they can gleefully mash at random, and watch them go - should do okay.

Be forewarned that trying to use Hundred Blades will probably see them running around like retards with it on, essentially wasting it a significant portion of the time.

As far as I'm aware, Assassin heroes are currently useless because the AI doesn't understand how to combo attacks (more than once). If that is not the case anymore, for whatever reason, I'd love to be corrected.

Here's to hoping the melee update gives them some much needed love.

Edit: Fixed links 'cause I wasn't paying attention.

Shadowlion

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

So replace with Dragon Slash?

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

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So replace with Dragon Slash? One of the main problems with melee heroes is that they don't spam their attack skills. DSlash is designed to be spammed, so I question whether it's worth running, especially when they can't even use it to fuel SY/WA/BH. 100B would probably be better (as it's a fire and forget kind of thing), but I'm not sure due to me not wasting slots on melee heroes.

Regarding the build, any Warrior bar without an IAS gets an automatic fail. Attacking 33% faster results in +50% damage. Not having one is inexcusable as it is probably the most important skill on the bar. Secondly, 6 attacks is redundant and a waste of slots. Thirdly, don't put Gash at the end of the bar. Heroes tend to prioritize skills from left to right (unless they've changed them) so you'll want to put Gash right after Sever to hopefully get them to use it better. Fourthly, Pure Strike is rubbish (less damage and almost triple recharge of Power Attack). Apologies if that sounded harsh.

To fix it, perhaps something like this would work better:

Hundred Blades
Sun and Moon Slash
Sever Artery
Gash
"For Great Justice"
Flail
Enraging Charge
Lion's Comfort/resurrect of your choice

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

As noted flail only gets used on KD'd foes, and 33% slower movement is not a good thing with all the headless chickening your heroes will be doing. Your IAS options are basically burst of aggression, or frenzy if you are ballzy.

Unless you are placing mark of pain smartly I would go with some warrior's endurance variant.

Gigashadow

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

W/

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade View Post
Thirdly, don't put Gash at the end of the bar. Heroes tend to prioritize skills from left to right (unless they've changed them) This is isn't true and never was (a couple minutes testing will trivially prove it's not true). It's one of these myths that got started and people keep repeating. In any case, at PAX this year I spent a while talking to the guy responsible for writing the hero AI (John Corpening), and the way it actually works is each skill is evaluated on its conditions but this still only provides a probability of being used. It does not work on a strict priority system, but instead is intentionally not deterministic, as he feels that makes things more interesting.

edit: Found my post on gw2guru about this
here

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

I vote for the deldrimor sword. And if you are unsure of your build, I found hero AI uses Warriors Endurance pretty well. Hard to mess up actually. For an idea you can look here or here. Just substitute axe skills for energy based sword skills, or very low adrenaline if using burst of aggression. I like burst better on heros because they dont know how to cancel flail properly.

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

SPEAR

As for the build, Flail + 7 random spear attacks.
Or you can try making a Spear/Strength/Tactics split with Charge + flail + some other shouts to boost the party (but apart from Charge, loltactics), or a Spear/Strength/Command split with Flail + shouts. Yes it's a gimped paragon hero, but hey you chose to gimp yourself by wanting to play with Jora to begin with.

Kumu Honua

Kumu Honua

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2008

I prefer the look of Jora with a Golden Phoenix Blade.

nunix

nunix

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/

On this subject: does anyone know what sword Jora uses in the Nornbear cutscenes? I haven't been able to find it looking in the sword gallery on the wiki. It's not what she has equipped, it's some golden half-blade thing with runes on.

fenshadow

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2010

Mo/

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Originally Posted by nunix View Post
On this subject: does anyone know what sword Jora uses in the Nornbear cutscenes? I haven't been able to find it looking in the sword gallery on the wiki. It's not what she has equipped, it's some golden half-blade thing with runes on. According to the Wiki, the sword she's wielding is an Etched Sword.

Shadowlion

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Got flameberge and victo's blade, but my favorite one is this, Mallyx's edge.