Seriously,pull yourself together Anet.

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The problem with the OP is not so much the content as the tone. In a lot of ways he's RIGHT about most of what he's saying, as evidenced by the fact that he's successfully defended most of his points to the detractors here.

But the tone...it really comes off as petulant.

Personally, I haven't even been playing for 2 years yet, so much of the game is still fresh for me (e.g. "elite" area pve), and I haven't even tried any real pvp (probably shouldn't bother lol). I started playing as a mesmer long before the update last spring, and I'm still discovering the quirks and tendencies of other professions. I'm learning to trust my own skills (and use of my characters' skills) more. I've established myself in a really fun guild full of the kind of people I think I'd like in real life.

There's nothing stale about this to me right now. But I agree that Anet should decide what they're going to add to GW, tell us, and then add it, and not make bold claims they can't back up, and toss out shiny baubles to distract us

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This forum is full of people who, were they on fire and you handed them an extinguisher, would moan that they didn't like its colour.
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A game that has no monthly fees needs a lot of updates to keep people interested.
wait...so what you're saying that people are bored because it's free? If they were paying a monthly fee for the same thing, they'd be happier?
I don't see how fees+not getting anything for the fees=happiness

I don't care if updates ever happen...I paid for the games the way they were, any updates are just bonus.
By the logic you're getting at, we should be complaining that Super Mario 64 never got updated. HOW DARE WE PAY ONCE AND NEVER GET UPDATES.

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wait...so what you're saying that people are bored because it's free? If they were paying a monthly fee for the same thing, they'd be happier?
I don't see how fees+not getting anything for the fees=happiness

I don't care if updates ever happen...I paid for the games the way they were, any updates are just bonus.
By the logic you're getting at, we should be complaining that Super Mario 64 never got updated. HOW DARE WE PAY ONCE AND NEVER GET UPDATES.
People who play MMO's need updates to stay interested. Games with monthly fees have a better income and can spend more money on designing new content/updates etc. But GW has almost no updates and it getting old. That's why people are leaving. It's just not a good idea for Anet to have alot of people working on this game for financial reasons. So because it doesn't have monthly fees, Anet has less money to spend on updates.

Ofcourse i'm not saying that Super Mario or any other game without monthly fees needs updates to keep players interested. We are talking about MMO's here aren't we? You took it out of context. You knew exactly what i ment with that sentence. It's either a attempt to troll or just you not paying attention Wich can happen ofcourse.

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You took it out of context.
I took it for literal context word for word.

Ka Tet

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People keep tossing around the free word. Nothing about GW is free. You paid upfront rather than in installments. If you bought a pre-paid cellphone, you wouldn't consider the provider to be magnanimous for providing that service to you.

Malice Black

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As per usual with a thread in Riverside this is going around in circles. Lame arguments countered with more lame arguments.

This pretty much covers why P2P MMO's have large content every 6 months/1 year, and why GW won't get another large scale update ever.

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People who play MMO's need updates to stay interested. Games with monthly fees have a better income and can spend more money on designing new content/updates etc. But GW has almost no updates and it getting old. That's why people are leaving. It's just not a good idea for Anet to have alot of people working on this game for financial reasons. So because it doesn't have monthly fees, Anet has less money to spend on updates.
Factor in that the vast majority staff are now working on the next money maker (GW2), there is nothing left to 'debate' if you can call it that.

ruk1a

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anet fails, gw is dead, etc. their live team is so pathetic they may as well just take ALL of them and give them to that crappy zombie game that's being developed or whatever. i mean seriously, a zombie game? how fkin original. bet that's going to be a blast. anywho, play another game, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Prince Rogrs Nelson View Post
The problem with the OP is not so much the content as the tone. In a lot of ways he's RIGHT about most of what he's saying, as evidenced by the fact that he's successfully defended most of his points to the detractors here.

But the tone...it really comes off as petulant.

Personally, I haven't even been playing for 2 years yet, so much of the game is still fresh for me (e.g. "elite" area pve), and I haven't even tried any real pvp (probably shouldn't bother lol). I started playing as a mesmer long before the update last spring, and I'm still discovering the quirks and tendencies of other professions. I'm learning to trust my own skills (and use of my characters' skills) more. I've established myself in a really fun guild full of the kind of people I think I'd like in real life.

There's nothing stale about this to me right now. But I agree that Anet should decide what they're going to add to GW, tell us, and then add it, and not make bold claims they can't back up, and toss out shiny baubles to distract us
I've been playing for less than a year. Once GW 2 is released, I wonder how long the original GW will be around. I'm working through the Trilogy and EotN, so by the time I finish, GW 2 will be close to release anyway, but does anyone know how this usually works for MMOs? Will GW be around for several years more, or is it less?

stanzhao

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the only problem with this is that anet designed their whole business model on a f2p mmo. and i cant see any real complaint for the 5 years of gaming i have got out of the game for the money i have paid.

...however, what is annoying is anets constant promises, and then the fact they just dont do it. If they were to say, 'we cant promise any kind of frequent content, but for the people who are interested in GW still, hopefully we can provide some when we have the resources'

instead they just keep saying things with no end result.

monthly skill updates ---> bi monthly ----> every half a year?
large quarterly updates ----> content whenever we have time
dervish and gvg updates being the latest ----> nothing said in months

they dont have time for skill balances... yet we have had 2 sets of costumes released within nearly 3 weeks of each other. for a game advertised as free to play, when that free content takes a back seat for things people can pay for... thats what gets me.

Surely the time spent creating the 3 types of female wedding attire could have gone to better use?

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I've been playing for less than a year. Once GW 2 is released, I wonder how long the original GW will be around. I'm working through the Trilogy and EotN, so by the time I finish, GW 2 will be close to release anyway, but does anyone know how this usually works for MMOs? Will GW be around for several years more, or is it less?
yes the servers will stay for years to come, even though it IS anet, i believe they aren't dumb enough to take them down after the release of gw2.

Kumu Honua

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Originally Posted by syronj View Post
I've been playing for less than a year. Once GW 2 is released, I wonder how long the original GW will be around. I'm working through the Trilogy and EotN, so by the time I finish, GW 2 will be close to release anyway, but does anyone know how this usually works for MMOs? Will GW be around for several years more, or is it less?
Everquest was released in 1999. It is still going strong today (Not as many players as at release, but still exists.)

This is despite Everquest 2 being released, and MANY other games released in the same vein (Including World of Warcraft).

So, yes. I do indeed expect Guild Wars to stay around for quite some time.

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...however, what is annoying is anets constant promises, and then the fact they just dont do it. If they were to say, 'we cant promise any kind of frequent content, but for the people who are interested in GW still, hopefully we can provide some when we have the resources'
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...sons_l earned

Take from all this what you want, but don't claim Anet never told you.

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yes the servers will stay for years to come, even though it IS anet, i believe they aren't dumb enough to take them down after the release of gw2.
They'll stay open for as long as it's financially viable to keep them running. A year or 2 would be a reasonable guess.

Kuma - EQ is P2P though so the subscription fees allow for them to keep the servers running. GW relies wholly on box sales, so you can't compare the two.

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People keep tossing around the free word. Nothing about GW is free. You paid upfront rather than in installments. If you bought a pre-paid cellphone, you wouldn't consider the provider to be magnanimous for providing that service to you.
I'll agree to an extent.
I paid maybe $120 total over the course of 5 years for GW. Compare that to the $15 a month other games charge, I've paid $780 less than most gamers. I understand why GW is the way it is and accept the fact that you get what you paid for.

The fact is that we as a player base have no viable reason to complain when we haven't paid for the updates. One person said that he and many others had started GW because of the promise to have major updates every 6 months or so. Those updates were called "Factions", "Nightfall", and "Eye of the North"...and we did indeed pay for those updates.
So until ANET starts charging us money, there's no reason to expect updates for nothing.

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This game is an amazing value for the time I've put in. I can't think of anything close to the return on investment I've received out of this game (maybe like Civilization 2 might be up there...). Seriously, people need a little bit of perspective. I think a lot of people fail to remember back in the day when you bought a buggy game and there was ZERO support to fix it or improve it. I can't tell you how much money I spend on computer games and console games that were pretty much dead on arrival within the first week. I honestly applaud the developers of this game for sticking with it as long as they have and am honestly surprised that we are getting ANY significant content offered to us at this point over 5 years later.

Karate Jesus

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At OP,

You understand very little of what the TK does or how lazy game developers are. Also, the client is shit and hard to work on (from what I've heard).

So, they have excuses. Oh, and they're not interested in updating skills or adding decent content, when all the money is in costumes and silly weddings

Xsiriss

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I hear y'all and all I can say again is this: It' not about them maintign the game, more just them sorting they're friggin attitude out. If they suspect they can't maintain the promise of say class updates then tell us or don't bother. It's just inefficient and a waste of time when they cancel a project halfway through.

stanzhao

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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...sons_l earned

Take from all this what you want, but don't claim Anet never told you.
that wasnt exactly my real point, but thanks for just picking out one of the things i said, with an answer that doesnt really answer the point i was talking about...

if 'better than nothing' becomes the standard, it doesn't say much

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Originally Posted by RedDog91 View Post
I'll agree to an extent.
I paid maybe $120 total over the course of 5 years for GW. Compare that to the $15 a month other games charge, I've paid $780 less than most gamers. I understand why GW is the way it is and accept the fact that you get what you paid for.

The fact is that we as a player base have no viable reason to complain when we haven't paid for the updates. One person said that he and many others had started GW because of the promise to have major updates every 6 months or so. Those updates were called "Factions", "Nightfall", and "Eye of the North"...and we did indeed pay for those updates.
So until ANET starts charging us money, there's no reason to expect updates for nothing.
This year I paid all of $ 7 for EotN and around $ 25 for the Trilogy. I appreciate all the time ANet spent on this series. (At the same time, I'm not trying to minimize the concerns of those who posted in this thread.)

By waiting to buy the series, it's true that I missed GW when it was at its peak; but it's still fun. GW 2 should be amazing, though, if ANet has (hopefully) learned from the original.

Ka Tet

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the only problem with this is that anet designed their whole business model on a f2p mmo.
GW is not F2P, it's B2P (Buy to play). These things are very different.
For example, GW requires you to BUY the game in order to play. Regardless of subscription costs, it is B2P. A game like LOTRO is F2P. You can play the game with absolutely no money invested, however there are optional cash upgrades.


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I'll agree to an extent.
I paid maybe $120 total over the course of 5 years for GW. Compare that to the $15 a month other games charge, I've paid $780 less than most gamers. I understand why GW is the way it is and accept the fact that you get what you paid for.

The fact is that we as a player base have no viable reason to complain when we haven't paid for the updates. One person said that he and many others had started GW because of the promise to have major updates every 6 months or so. Those updates were called "Factions", "Nightfall", and "Eye of the North"...and we did indeed pay for those updates.
So until ANET starts charging us money, there's no reason to expect updates for nothing.
I'm glad you said that, because it brings us to the next point. They are still selling new copies of the game. That comes with commitments. If you continue to sell the product, you have to continue to service it.
Let me reiterate. They did charge us money for the work they do on the game; we paid upfront rather than on a monthly basis.

Black Metal

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wow classic rant thread filled with inaccuracies and wrong assumptions, sprinkled with people have a little perspective of where we are right now, 5 years in an outdated game with 98% of the work being put on the sequel.

That Anet even puts a few people dedicated to developing new content (which OP and others deny despite the Thackeray quests and new Halloween content) for a game most people spent their money on years ago deserves a little credit.

Seriously, get a grip whiners. A few posts ago, someone used the word 'petulant', which is perfect. The servers are running great, content is being developed, the skill updates are a little slow but between all the new WiK / Thackeray / upcoming Canthan GW:B / Halloween / things I can't disclose content being developed, I think that's pretty generous.

And I don't understand what the beef is with the Test Krewe mentioned a few times in this thread is? (Yes I'm a member).

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wow classic rant thread filled with inaccuracies and wrong assumptions, sprinkled with people have a little perspective of where we are right now, 5 years in an outdated game with 98% of the work being put on the sequel.

That Anet even puts a few people dedicated to developing new content (which OP and others deny despite the Thackeray quests and new Halloween content) for a game most people spent their money on years ago deserves a little credit.

Seriously, get a grip whiners. A few posts ago, someone used the word 'petulant', which is perfect. The servers are running great, content is being developed, the skill updates are a little slow blah blah blah (Yes I'm a member).
Hey look another person who can't read with a super special message!

lemming

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I don't feel like this thread is going to get any better.