New Sword- PDS!

Mac_Eanruig

Mac_Eanruig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2010

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I'm a huge fan of the Dragon Swords....they are IMO one of the best looking in the game. On my main toon....i run the full set.
Firey Dragon
Icy Dragon
and Vamp Dragon.

But that still leaves 1 equip spot open....
and after getting the full set it hit me that for
a W/R poison is one of the best conditions you can use.

And the VDS skin is awsome. I thought if we had a Poisonous Dragon Sword
(green Flame,) that would be very usefull and would fit into the Nick the Traveler bit the same way with the VDS "Necromancer Mune often offers these to me in trade."

Could be turned to "Ranger XXX often offers these to me in trade."
or even better..."Keiran Thackery often offers these to me in trade."

Just a thought. it'd be cool to have one more in the set to kind of round it off.

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

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/signed, not anything that takes to long to create, as the skin already exists, and a green flame would rock!

Elmindreda Farshaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Shiverpeak Search and Rescue [Lost]

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would be cool, also make it physical damage so we can use it with 100b/MoP spike.

Tripolityx

Tripolityx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

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WTB Q9 20/20 Bo Staves

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Pink flame for butterflies which bites orks to death \o/!!

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

Or just let us dye the flame onan FDS too?

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Let's see... sword prefixes...
Barbed
Crippling
Cruel
Poisonous
Ebon
Fiery X
Icy X
Shocking
Furious
Sundering
Vampiric X
Zealous

So... it seems there are some left.
I'd go for Zealous first.
Purple tongue for 'chaos', and you get a Soulstealer Dragon Sword.

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

some weapon mods id prefer if they sort of did what they say - eg firey , shocking actually s small amount of dmg as the hit would include fire dmg .I mean zeleous/vampiric do extra function so why couldnt poisonous sword inflict poison dmg just for a few secs .

kedde

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

Just use texmod?

newbie_of_doom

newbie_of_doom

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

WTFPRIVACYDUDE

Endangered Feces [DoDo]

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Ye, we definitely need a green posonious dragon sword. Everyone knows W/R is the best!!!!!!!!1!!!!1!

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

Am I the only one who thinks the skin on these swords is... well... kinda ugly? Compare it to say, a flaming Gladius, or a host of other nicer sword skins... changing the color of the "blade" doesn't make it much more appealing imo.

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

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It would be neat if we could get a special modable Dragon Sword that changed color depending on the mod applied. A special animation for shocking or others would be cool. But that might be too much work to implement. I would even be happy if a few mods like Icy and Shocking shared the blue color for instance.

Deviant Angel

Deviant Angel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

On a boat!

Homeless.

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I wouldn't mind seeing other flavors of the dragon swords. I've always wanted one with green or purple flames!

NerfHerder's idea would be pretty neat as well.

Mac_Eanruig

Mac_Eanruig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2010

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
Let's see... sword prefixes...
Barbed
Crippling
Cruel
Poisonous
Ebon
Fiery X
Icy X
Shocking
Furious
Sundering
Vampiric X
Zealous

So... it seems there are some left.
I'd go for Zealous first.
Purple tongue for 'chaos', and you get a Soulstealer Dragon Sword.
I could go for a Chaos Dragon Sword with purple flame. World work the same a VDS but insted of vamping HP it would leech E instead. that might make Illusionary Weaponry actually useful and fun again. IMO. use the same stats as VDS.

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Choas Dragon Sword
Chaos Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)
Dmg + 15% (While Health is Above 50%)
Energy gain on hit: 3
Energy regeneration -1
Armor +7 (vs. Physical Dmg.)
"Gwen Thackery often gives these to me in trade."
-Nick
Or This: Which might be even better with +15 vs Hex.

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Choas Dragon Sword
Chaos Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)
Dmg + 15% (vs. Hexed foes)
Energy gain on hit: 3
Energy regeneration -1
Armor +7 (vs. Physical Dmg.)
"Gwen Thackery often gives these to me in trade."
-Nick
Which is almost the same stats for Kaolin Blade.

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Kaolin Blade
Chaos Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)
Dmg + 15% (While Health is Above 50%)
Energy gain on hit: 1
Energy regeneration -1
Armor +7 (vs. Physical Dmg.)
The diff. behind this sword is the +3 E drain instead of the +1 of Kaolin Blade.

So it's workable. Change the skin on the VDS to a Purple flame....
use stats from Kaolin Blade....bump up e drain to 3. & Vola!
Chaos/Soulstealing Dragon Sword. and would be an awsome match for the Poisonous Dragon Sword. we'd get 1 from Keriean Thackery and one from Gwen Thackery. And it's be a nice tie in with the GW beyond...

Anyone wanna take a stab at stats for a Poisonous?

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Poisonous Dragon Sword
Slashing Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)
Lengthens Poision duration on foes by 33% (Stacking)
Armor +7 (vs. Elemental Dmg.)
"Keiran Thackery often offers these to me in trade."
-Nick
Or could work like this:

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Poisonous Dragon Sword
Slashing Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)
Poisons foes on hit (5 seconds)
Armor +7 (vs. Elemental Dmg.)
"Keiran Thackery often offers these to me in trade."
-Nick

I'm not too keen on the idea of others. These are special items...that'd be over doing it a bit imo. a barbed dragon sword? i dunno. and how could that tie in with story @ all? With the PDS & CDS...we could tie in to Gwen & Kerian in GW beyond.

If anyone here has the skin for VDS from the GW .dat file please let me know how to get a copy. I may take a stab at photo shop. I've been painting skins on pilots & WWII planes for IL-2 Strumovik for years. might not be to hard to reskin it myself and send it to the devs.

Mac_Eanruig

Mac_Eanruig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2010

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
Am I the only one who thinks the skin on these swords is... well... kinda ugly? Compare it to say, a flaming Gladius, or a host of other nicer sword skins... changing the color of the "blade" doesn't make it much more appealing imo.
I love the flaming Galdius. I've been looking for a perfect one forever.
No luck.

But i'd note that it does same Fire dmg instead of slashing.
Same as with the Glacial Blade with does Cold dmg.

The one problem with the idea of a posionous dragon sword is.....
well....what kind of dmg would it do? I'm thinking slashing.
But i'm open to ideas.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Eanruig View Post
I could go for a Chaos Dragon Sword with purple flame. World work the same a VDS but insted of vamping HP it would leech E instead. that might make Illusionary Weaponry actually useful and fun again. IMO. use the same stats as VDS.
You don't hit when using IW. Therefore any non +enchant/+e/+health/+al mods will do nothing.

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Or This: Which might be even better with +15 vs Hex.
Chaos damage on a non-caster weapon would not be a good idea. It makes sense with what you're trying to do but it doesn't fit in with what's currently available.

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The diff. behind this sword is the +3 E drain instead of the +1 of Kaolin Blade.
That's going to be massively overpowered. You get Warrior's Endurance (an Elite Warrior skill that requires 13 Strength to maintain) for free. I believe they had +2/-1 in beta but they found that was too powerful and changed it to +1/-1 for release.

PS: I recommend against suggesting new weapon mods. More work for Anet = less chance of actually getting what you want.

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Or could work like this:
Again, new weapon mods isn't going to happen. The Poisonous Sword hilt is what you're going to get if this is implemented. Free poison is possibly overpowered, depending on how it's implemented. Apologies for being a killjoy but if you actually want something out of this you habe to be realistic.

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If anyone here has the skin for VDS from the GW .dat file please let me know how to get a copy. I may take a stab at photo shop. I've been painting skins on pilots & WWII planes for IL-2 Strumovik for years. might not be to hard to reskin it myself and send it to the devs.
I'm pretty sure that's not going to work. I read somewhere that if the devs accept/implement something based on something not developed by Anet staff they have to worry about copyright or some other legal crap (I've heard this means Anet are legally obligated to not read this forum). Thus, sending them stuff to implement is probably going to get ignored.

Anyway, if all you want is a weapon skin, you can just TexMod it like previous people have mentioned. People have already made pink FDS's; there's one on the Wiki.

Mac_Eanruig

Mac_Eanruig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2010

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kedde View Post
Just use texmod?
Have no idea what that is.
5 years in on GW i doubt i'll start using mods at this point.
i watched one of the best PC sims ever made turned into crapola
over night with mods/hacks. Nothing like a BF-109 zipping around doing UFO batman turns while shooting down 12 P-47's with 8 mk108 30mm cannons from 2 miles away to give you that warm and fuzzy gaming feeling.

So if there's any hacking or modding going on in GW i don't wanna know about it. Ignorance is bliss.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

TexMod isn't actually a mod (though I suppose it depends on your definition). All it does is modify the texture of something. So if you had a red apple, you could use TexMod to change it to a green apple, or a blue sparkly apple, or a glowing apple, etc. You could not make a second apple, change it into a banana, or make the apple dance. Anet is fine with TexMod but they aren't responsible if you screw something up with it.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/TexMod

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Exhibit A

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

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Well, the Vampiric Dragon Sword does slashing, so a poisonous one probably would. Also, you should keep in mind that the VDS and IDS from Nick have no upgrades aside from the prefix.

I would like to see:
Poisonous Dragon Sword: sickly green flame

Zealous Dragon Sword: purple flame

Shocking/Ebon Dragon Swords: light yellow/brown flames

Spookii

Spookii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Southeast, USA

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Definitely a cool idea!

/signed

Mac_Eanruig

Mac_Eanruig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2010

Sweet Home Alabama -ROLL TIDE

Reign of Justice [RoJ]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade View Post

I'm pretty sure that's not going to work. I read somewhere that if the devs accept/implement something based on something not developed by Anet staff they have to worry about copyright or some other legal crap (I've heard this means Anet are legally obligated to not read this forum). Thus, sending them stuff to implement is probably going to get ignored.
Well in my moddeling & texture work for 1c: Maddox games.....
any work I/we did as community members was understood as pro bono. We were required to sign a standerd NDA & claim waiver. Not too bad. pretty standerd stuff.

Outside of getting new planes/skins for the sim for everyone.....we got a t-shit, IL-2 Poster....spots on the beta team (closed beta) and an autographed Copy by the Devs. & Producer, and our names/callsigns in the thank you section of the liner. Which we never asked for anything, but was just kinda a thank you for the work we did. But understanably...things probly work differnt here. So nuff bout that.

Some of those stats i sugested might be a little much.
my intention was KISS....but it never hurts to try. (KISS = Keep IT SIMPLE STUPID)
Very basic sword with poision 33% & green flame is really all i'm after.
as for textmod. does no good if i'm the only one that sees it.
no WOW factor at all like the 1st time i saw a VDS. My jaw hit the floor. lol
was a MUST HAVE. I would have sold my soul to Grenth to get one first time i saw one.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac_Eanruig View Post
But that still leaves 1 equip spot open....
and after getting the full set it hit me that for
a W/R poison is one of the best conditions you can use.
So let me get this straight...you want Anet to implement a weapon for a class that needs to invest in a secondary to fully use? You do realize that bringing poison on a warrior is useless in a non 4-by-4 situation? (IE PvE, GvG, HA).

Sorry, but I'd much rather have a re-skin of a weapon that is actually functional for my character, the glacial blade was insult enough.

/notsigned

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Ice damage is VERY useful against fire titans, fire elementals and destroyers.
And you'll be enchanted most of the time by a monk while fighting them.
Also ,when fighting warriors, you'll usually change to an elemental mod, since they may have less armor against elements if they don' bring an insignia for that.

The glacial blade is maybe too limited, but it's useful, and for free.


Note that a sword can NOT deal dark, holy or chaos damage.
That's for staves ONLY.
I don't know if that if they can make one that can, but that would be too unbalanced.
You are supposed to use dervish or monks to get the damage changed to holy.
That's why it goes around armor bonuses that specify physical or elemental.

And the only sword that does not deal elemental of slashing damage is the Jitte, which is blunt, that's also physical.

NerfHerder

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Drunkard View Post
So let me get this straight...you want Anet to implement a weapon for a class that needs to invest in a secondary to fully use? You do realize that bringing poison on a warrior is useless in a non 4-by-4 situation? (IE PvE, GvG, HA).

Sorry, but I'd much rather have a re-skin of a weapon that is actually functional for my character, the glacial blade was insult enough.

/notsigned
What if I wanted to put it on my Necro as a caster weapon? Warrior isnt the only class in the game that could use it. And its not like you cant already replicate the stats. Nothing game changing, pure cosmetic value.

Now that I'm thinking about it, they could make a fully modable "Dragon Sword" that does slashing damage like any other sword. And, the flame could change color depending on the dye. It couldnt possibly be that difficult to make. I think that would be ideal. That way in PvP they dont know what mod you have by the color

Lore wise a FDS is one of the most powerful swords in existance. So it makes sense for this sword to get special treatment.

helloeveryone

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2010

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i wonder how a "deep wound" dragon sword will look like aka DDS

Haodu

Haodu

Krytan Explorer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by helloeveryone View Post
i wonder how a "deep wound" dragon sword will look like aka DDS
You mean CDS? (Cruel Dragon Sword)

Spookii

Spookii

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Southeast, USA

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Cruel, Barbed, Sundering, Furious, Crippling - Maybe these shouldn't be converted into Dragon Swords just because of how awkward it would be to turn it into a flame.

Poisonous, Shocking, Ebon, and Zealous might make sense.

Marty Silverblade

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spookii View Post
Poisonous, Shocking, Ebon, and Zealous might make sense.
Ebon wouldn't. My issue is this: what exactly is 'earth damage' supposed to mean? Fire damage is where intense heat and flames are applied to the target (thus burning them). Lightning damage surges through the target, shutting you down much like a tazer, in addition to possible burns. Ice damage drops your internal temperature and makes it harder/painful to move. Whats earth damage? Throwing some mud at someone? If there was an Ebon Dragon sword, would there be little rocks being spat out of the hilt (keep in mind getting hit by a rock would be blunt damage)?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade View Post
If there was an Ebon Dragon sword, would there be little rocks being spat out of the hilt
Basically, yes. Think of the factions earth aura.

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(keep in mind getting hit by a rock would be blunt damage)?
The entire earth elemental line begs to disagree, starting with stoning. It is a little weird but it's been part of the GW for a while now, earth damage is a legitimate element and as deserving as any of the others.

Mac_Eanruig

Mac_Eanruig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2010

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IN my way of thinking.....it was a logical place to arrive at.

think about it like this....

DRAGON SWORD.

What is realating to dragons as we know them from mythology....
1.Fire
2. Ice
3. Poison ...... it would reason the be IMO that most dragons would, like most reptiles be able to use poison. the ability to breath fire, ice whatever is more of a supernatiral ablity than it is a gentic defense.

I don't think this was lost onthe devs either, since the bone dragons @ Majestys Rest will poison the crap out of you using necro skills.
Thus was the basis of my idea for the Poisonous Dragon Sword. It just seemed a natural fit.

Necrin Blaed

Necrin Blaed

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

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So why don't we petition that a new dyeable/moddable sword with FDS skin be added?

Make it a high end drop of course - FDS, IDS, VDS have all been devalued enough...

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

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Quote:
Originally Posted by NerfHerder View Post
What if I wanted to put it on my Necro as a caster weapon? Warrior isnt the only class in the game that could use it. And its not like you cant already replicate the stats. Nothing game changing, pure cosmetic value.

Now that I'm thinking about it, they could make a fully modable "Dragon Sword" that does slashing damage like any other sword. And, the flame could change color depending on the dye. It couldnt possibly be that difficult to make. I think that would be ideal. That way in PvP they dont know what mod you have by the color

Lore wise a FDS is one of the most powerful swords in existance. So it makes sense for this sword to get special treatment.
What if I wanted to put it on my paragon beast master that uses a celestial compass offhand because it looks pretty? Still doesn't change the fact that it is inferior to other mods on anything but that w/r build. And that build is far from great.

Giving a weapon special treatment is not releasing a reskin with terrible mods. No one would use Dhuum's soul reaper if it had cold +15% while hexed +33% DW duration because it looks pretty. Hell, people don't use the VDS because vamp really isn't useful to an already useless weapon for warriors.


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Originally Posted by NerfHerder View Post
Ice damage is VERY useful against fire titans, fire elementals and destroyers.
And you'll be enchanted most of the time by a monk while fighting them.
Also ,when fighting warriors, you'll usually change to an elemental mod, since they may have less armor against elements if they don' bring an insignia for that.
And you'll be doing piss damage because you cannot synergize with the necro's skills that put a warriors DPS (in pve) to shame.


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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere View Post
The glacial blade is maybe too limited, but it's useful, and for free.
So we should ask Anet to spend time away from content and skill updates to release a gimped weapon that few can actually use?