Help with Paragon Heroes

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Above are the builds I need assistance on. Hayda runs the second bar and GM runs the first bar. Basically, I need your help to tell me weather these are good or bad builds and how to fix them.

This is the build I run:

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Thanks in advance!

*Note* I also run a AotL with protective spirit, aegis, cure hex, and dwayna's sorrow.

Putting 9 into Healing just for a Hard Rez is a waste of attributes.

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Motivation is generally subpar. Pumping 9 healing on a paragon when you have signet of return is a waste.

If you want a decent bar (for normal mode), try running something akin to:
12+1+1=14 Command
9+1=10 Spear
9+1=10 Leadership

1 GFTE ("Go for the Eyes!") = energy management
2 Vicious Attack = almost certain deep wound
3 "Stand Your Ground!" = +24 armor while people are casting, knocked down, attacking (i.e. not moving)
4 Optional adrenaline attack (Usually Wild Throw because of high adrenaline cost and utility)
5 Aggressive Refrain
6 "Fall Back!"
7 "Help Me!" / Leader's Comfort
8 "We Shall Return!"/Signet of Return

Armor: Centurion's/Survivor Insignias, Clarity/Vitae, Command, Vigor, Leadership
Spear: Furious Spear of Defense
Shield: R9 Command shield of Fortitude +30HP , -20% blind

Optional can be Defensive Anthem/"Incoming!" but I usually run Empathic Removal if going P/Mo. I find that "Never Surrender!" isn't all that useful since it only works with AoE damage that chips off 25% of the party's HP. The regen activates only if below 75%, and the regen even at high command is only 4. Recuperation is a bit better since it works on allies (minions).

The second bar to complement this would be:

10+1+1 Leadership
11+1 Command
10+1 Spear

1 Anthem of Envy
2 Spear of Lightning
3 Wild Throw/Holy Spear/Spear of Redemption
4 Soldier's Fury/Focused Anger
5 Optional
6 "Fall Back!"
7 Leader's Comfort
8 Signet of Return

GFTE + Anthem of Envy has better synergy than Motivation + Command.

For your bars:
"Find their Weakness!" is a waste of 10 energy since the energy return is 1. I'm also not a big fan of Blazing Spear when you can bring utility like Wild Throw, Holy Spear, Spear of Redemption (use when not using Empathic removal as the elite to remove blind).

If you're running 2 paragons, "Incoming!" is a bad elite since you can bring 2 copies of "Fall Back!".

Also if you want to go motivation, there's only 3 skills worth using really: Song of Restoration, Ballad of Restoration and Signet of Synergy (sort of). Heroes suck with things that require anything beyond "if bleeding then applies cripple/deep wound".

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11+1+1 Motivation
11+1 Leadership
8+1 Spear

1 Spear of Lightning
2 Wild Throw
3 Optional
4 Song of Restoration
5 Ballad of Restoration
6 Signet of Synergy
7 Leader's Comfort
8 Signet of Return

Another thing you can try is dumping points in tactics for "Shields Up!" in areas with many rangers, but energy will be extremely tight (kind of like your motivation bar) so I stopped running bars like this now that the main use (Watch Yourself spamming) is gone completely:

P/W
10+1+1 Leadership
11+1 Spear
10 Tactics

1 Spear of Redemption
2 Wild Throw
3 Soldier's Stance/Soldier's Fury
4 Spear of Lightning
5 "To the Limit!" - adrenaline boost (used to use "Watch Yourself!" here pre-nerf)
6 "Shields Up!"
7 Leader's comfort
8 Signet of return

I wouldn't recommend the P/W hero bar anymore.

Above bar forgot to bring an IAS. Thats pretty much essential on any physical that doesnt spam 1/2 attack skills.

Here's what I would use for a command hero:

Spear of Lightning/Vicious Attack
Blazing Spear
"Go For The Eyes"
Elite (Cruel Spear, Anthem of Fury, Soldier's Fury, Stunning Strike, Cautiary Signet)
"Stand your ground"
Anthem of Flame
Aggresive Refrain
Signet of Return

For a Motivation hero:

Spear of Lightning
Blazing Spear
Elite (Song of Purification, Song of Restoration, The Power is Yours}
Ballad of Restoration (Aria in an almost-all-caster party)
Aria of Zeal
Anthem of Flame
Aggressive Refrain
Signet of Return

I don't see a point in Cruel Spear when you have Vicious + GFTE, honestly. I also find anthem of weakness better than anthem of flame since not all things burn.

It's just my opinion though.

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I'm not going to say what you should or shouldnt run, but this what I use with my Imbagon, and they may see more use when we get a full hero party.

Commandagon

Motigon

I micro Aggressive Refrain. And both have 12 in Leadership and 14 in Command or Motivation.

Motivation paragons sucks, they waste a lot of time casting stuff, dont heal big numbers, dont do damage at all and in pve, except few cases, removing hex and conditions is useless since the enemys will cast it again 1 second later.

Push yours paragons straight to damage, put both of then to run this build:

http://www.gwpvx.com/Special:PvXDeco... =Enviar+dados

Pure damage, no waste of time casting stuff but power return 1/4, just call your target and in 5 secs it will die.

You could run a commom imba bar and bring an nec/rt with orders and splinter weapon as third hero. Use monks as henchemans.

PS: try this build if you want to keep playing para/ranger, i use it in pvp (mercile instead blazing ), u can change the elite skill for something better in pve (use zealous spear):

http://www.gwpvx.com/Special:PvXDeco...o=Enviar+dados