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Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

16 Dec 2010 at 01:47 - 1

A 045 issue a few weeks ago got me thinking.

The HoM keeps track of anything that gets ded to it, so a 50/50 account that gets breached and has all it's characters wiped will still have full access to the listed rewards.

Now what about GWAMM? To my knowledge, outside of the "Honor" monument, there is no direct way to 'dedicate' or have the game say "there, it's been saved" with regards to GWAMM.

Even "Honor" still has the quirk that it automatically jumps up one rank in the display if you max out every single monument in the HoM, so it may or may not be tracking the title directly.

So a simple question, if a GWAMM character gets deleted today, will the world of GW2 ever remember him?

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

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16 Dec 2010 at 02:11 - 2

Well first off, if you account is blocked and you won't be getting it back, you won't get any rewards for that account anyways. You can't connect a banned/blocked account to GW2.

As for GWAMM, you need the max rank for it to count towards GW2. I'm sure it will register on your account that you have achieved it, whether the character is deleted or not. The statue in the HoM displays your GWAMM title, so that is the only noticeable way of knowing you had/have it.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

16 Dec 2010 at 02:14 - 3

Anything you put in your HoM will remain recorded for GW2 purposes. Keep in mind, that the HoM links GW and GW2 accounts, not characters.

Wyndy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

in the know

Chronic Chaos

N/Me

16 Dec 2010 at 02:24 - 4

The statue in the HoM displays your GWAMM title, so that is the only noticeable way of knowing you had/have it.[/QUOTE]

Statue? Is there a statue or is it the tapestry that glows?

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

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16 Dec 2010 at 02:28 - 5

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Originally Posted by Wyndy

Statue? Is there a statue or is it the tapestry that glows?

Yeah it's a statue, cause there is no actual displayed tapestry there. Here is the picture of what it looks like as you progress in GWAMM.

Edit: Link btw for the Monument of Honor. It tells you how the statue progresses based on the GWAMM title.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Honor%22

domaspiragas

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2010

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

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16 Dec 2010 at 02:50 - 6

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Well first off, if you account is blocked and you won't be getting it back, you won't get any rewards for that account anyways. You can't connect a banned/blocked account to GW2.

Where did you hear this?

Ninja Dude

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2010

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16 Dec 2010 at 02:50 - 7

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Yeah it's a statue, cause there is no actual displayed tapestry there. Here is the picture of what it looks like as you progress in GWAMM.
Edit: Link btw for the Monument of Honor. It tells you how the statue progresses based on the GWAMM title.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/%22Honor%22

What the OP is saying is that this statue does not reflect your GWAMM progress because it sometimes skips ahead depending on how many things you have in your HoM. I'm at 23 maxed titles right now and it is displaying the GWAMM rank statue for it.

Elmindreda Farshaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2007

Shiverpeak Search and Rescue [Lost]

16 Dec 2010 at 02:51 - 8

yeah but the statue progresses one lvl for filling your hall(11 weapons 5 armors ect) so you can get a fully progressed statue without gwamm, just 25 titles.

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

16 Dec 2010 at 02:55 - 9

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Well first off, if you account is blocked and you won't be getting it back, you won't get any rewards for that account anyways. You can't connect a banned/blocked account to GW2.

Ahem. A 045 error does not necessarily mean a perma ban. The most common use is to block access to accounts ANet suspects are compromised until the user verifies ownership.

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

As for GWAMM, you need the max rank for it to count towards GW2. I'm sure it will register on your account that you have achieved it, whether the character is deleted or not. The statue in the HoM displays your GWAMM title, so that is the only noticeable way of knowing you had/have it.

As I said, the statues (or displays) purpose is vague, and it also jumps a rank when you've gotten max displayable items in every monument. This can also be read to mean that a 25/30 KOABD + maxed HoM will get GWAMM credit.

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Anything you put in your HoM will remain recorded for GW2 purposes. Keep in mind, that the HoM links GW and GW2 accounts, not characters.

Yes, but you don't get anything to put into the HoM *directly* (for GWAMM that is.)

MArcSinus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2010

The Netherlands

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16 Dec 2010 at 03:38 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

A 045 issue a few weeks ago got me thinking.

The HoM keeps track of anything that gets ded to it, so a 50/50 account that gets breached and has all it's characters wiped will still have full access to the listed rewards.

No, minipets for instance will stay after deletion. If you decide to delete character your titles will go away.

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

A 045 issue a few weeks ago got me thinking.

Now what about GWAMM? To my knowledge, outside of the "Honor" monument, there is no direct way to 'dedicate' or have the game say "there, it's been saved" with regards to GWAMM.

Even "Honor" still has the quirk that it automatically jumps up one rank in the display if you max out every single monument in the HoM, so it may or may not be tracking the title directly.

You think it's that hard for Anet to just check if a character has 30+ titles on your account or implement a function for you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

A 045 issue a few weeks ago got me thinking.

So a simple question, if a GWAMM character gets deleted today, will the world of GW2 ever remember him?

Depends on the above, probably not.

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

16 Dec 2010 at 04:51 - 11

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

No, minipets for instance will stay after deletion. If you decide to delete character your titles will go away.

Any titles, armors, weapons, henchmen, or minis that have been dedicated to the HoM will still be counted by the reward calculator even after deletion.

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Originally Posted by MArcSinus

You think it's that hard for Anet to just check if a character has 30+ titles on your account or implement a function for you?

I don't think anything, but I *know* that prior to the HoM account-wide upgrade last year, titles and ded items were wiped when characters were hacked and deleted.

The whole point of this post is to ask whether that function is in place now, or whether it'll be implemented closer to release (which is what I'm worried about.)

MisterB

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Join Date: Oct 2005

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16 Dec 2010 at 06:56 - 12

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Originally Posted by domaspiragas

Where did you hear this?

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Account termination means losing not only everything you’ve built up in Guild Wars, but losing the ability to have those accomplishments recognized in Guild Wars 2.

http://www.arena.net/blog/design-dir...t-account-bans

SpyderArachnid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

United States

Lords Of Noh [LoN]

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16 Dec 2010 at 07:04 - 13

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Originally Posted by MisterB

http://www.arena.net/blog/design-dir...t-account-bans

Thanks for that. I have been searching everywhere and having no luck. Couldn't remember where I read it at. >.<

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

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13 Apr 2011 at 21:37 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

So a simple question, if a GWAMM character gets deleted today, will the world of GW2 ever remember him?

Have we ever had an official answer to this simple question? A friend recently had his account hacked and all characters deleted, including his GWAMM, before he got it back. He is nearly 50/50 and it won't be any problem for him to finish that up since the HoM has preserved all of his points account wide. But is he going to have to earn GWAMM on another character to get that carried across to GW2?

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

16 Apr 2011 at 14:04 - 15

As soon as you earn GWAMM, it is recorded in your HoM data. The character can be deleted and, when in account mode, your HoM will still show the achievement. When GW2 begins, any of your new characters can display the title.

The account-wide data in the HoM is updated each time you record something new and nothing is ever erased from that data.

ashes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Beertown ;P

RoP

E/Mo

16 Apr 2011 at 14:07 - 16

Do i recall correctly when i say that i once read that gwamm counts for something outside of the 50/50?

In other words, 50/50+gwamm is 'worth' more that a simple 50/50?

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

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16 Apr 2011 at 14:09 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy

As soon as you earn GWAMM, it is recorded in your HoM data. The character can be deleted and, when in account mode, your HoM will still show the achievement. When GW2 begins, any of your new characters can display the title.

The account-wide data in the HoM is updated each time you record something new and nothing is ever erased from that data.

And the official Anet source of that please? I can't see my GWAMM being recorded anywhere. It does not show on account wide view of the HoM ingame (and thus is lost if the GWAMM char is deleted) and there is no checkbox for it on the Calculator.

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Originally Posted by ashes

Do i recall correctly when i say that i once read that gwamm counts for something outside of the 50/50?

In other words, 50/50+gwamm is 'worth' more that a simple 50/50?

The only added benefit of GWAMM is that your GW2 chars can wear the GWAMM title in GW2 as well, nothing more.

ashes

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Beertown ;P

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E/Mo

16 Apr 2011 at 15:46 - 18

Thanks for clarifying that

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

16 Apr 2011 at 22:42 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy

As soon as you earn GWAMM, it is recorded in your HoM data. The character can be deleted and, when in account mode, your HoM will still show the achievement.

Show it where? When I look at my HoM in account mode, I don't see the achievement anywhere. Yes, I have the full statue over the Honor monument, but you don't need GWAMM to get that, so it is not a reliable indicator of whether GWAMM is recorded in some fashion. The only place I know for a fact that GWAMM is recorded is on the character that has the GWAMM title, and, if that character is deleted, I have no proof that the title wouldn't go away along with all the other character-specific data that isn't recorded in HoM.

BladeDVD

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Hawaii

Clan Of Elders

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16 Apr 2011 at 23:42 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy

As soon as you earn GWAMM, it is recorded in your HoM data. The character can be deleted and, when in account mode, your HoM will still show the achievement. When GW2 begins, any of your new characters can display the title.

The account-wide data in the HoM is updated each time you record something new and nothing is ever erased from that data.

That's what I was thinking when Brett bumped the thread, but I took a look at the HOM Faq and saw this:

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Q: Do players who obtained the title God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals in Guild Wars get anything special in Guild Wars 2?

A: Yes, the maximum rank of the God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals title will be paid forward into Guild Wars 2. If you have earned this title on any of your Guild Wars characters, you will be able to have any of your Guild Wars 2 characters wear the title as well. GWAMM is completely separate from the rewards that you can see via the Hall of Monuments Reward Calculator.

Now just because it is separate from the HOM Reward Calculator doesn't mean it is not recorded in the HOM somehow, but that does cause me to wonder. It would be nice if we could get confirmation from Anet.

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

17 Apr 2011 at 00:05 - 21

The real question is why would you delete a GWAMM. If you get hacked then it's sad, yes. I don't know how you're going to link accounts if you're hacked, unless you magically get your account details back via your key codes as proof it's yours.

BrettM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Fuzzy Physics Institute

E/

17 Apr 2011 at 13:10 - 22

Where exactly do you see "magic" in getting ANet to restore access to an account by proving ownership? Hacker victims get their accounts back all the time. How else do you think the victims find out that the hackers deleted the characters and emptied out the storage?

Once the victim has the account back, what do you think will stop them from linking it to GW2? We know for a fact that the account view of the HoM still shows the recorded statues, minis, heroes, armor, and weapons of deleted characters. We also know that anything that has not yet been dedicated or recorded in HoM is lost if the character is deleted. We just don't know if GWAMM is actually recorded somehow or not, since there is no direct evidence of it in the HoM.