Never rly seen set like that!
Congrats! Hope to see more of your stuff later
Your Beloved Collections
Pleikki
Thats hell of nice Shield collection! Glad u finished it after all these years
Never rly seen set like that!
Congrats! Hope to see more of your stuff later
Never rly seen set like that!
Congrats! Hope to see more of your stuff later
O O O Yoji O O O
Sick collection RIce
Vizi
Indeed impressive collection Rice!.. Congrats 
What are you going to collect now?
What are you going to collect now?
Captain Krompdown
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Also nothing against Kromp, but how that 15% axe was obtained by Jason seems a fair bit shady as I recall. I have a hard time counting that as fairly obtained.
I'd also love to know who got all their wealth without outside means or taking advantage in some way |
This is unprovoked, insulting, and dripping with ignorance. I'll just wait for you to edit.
MaxBorken
Er, I wasn't actually suggesting we compile an actual list.... That would lead to drama and accusations. But at least the drama and accusations haven't started ye..... Ah. Seems they have.
It was a rhetorical theoretical rhetoric, not a wish to make a list. Steady on folks.
Max
It was a rhetorical theoretical rhetoric, not a wish to make a list. Steady on folks.
Max
Captain Krompdown
Well, Max, as you know by now from your experience in [PhD], one person's success can very easily spawn jealousy and insecurity in others.
We've faced accusations of all kinds for years -- mostly nebulous and unfounded, like the one Stuey has mindlessly tossed out, but sometimes simply bizarre. For example, there was once an accusation made that [PhD] was systematically fixing prices on dragon staves. I don't know where people come up with this stuff.
On the rare occasions when the accusations have been substantiated, action has been taken to make that [PhD] remains true to its principles. As far as I understand, this makes us unique among the more prominent "collector" guilds in the game.
Regarding the Req 8 15% unconditional axe, the simple facts of the matter are:
1) Jason did not acquire the axe in any "shady" way.
2) I did not acquire the axe from Jason.
3) I traded a set of 7 items for the req 8 15 unconditional axe. Those 7 items would be the centerpiece of any collection posted here. Some of those items are currently on display in recently posted collections.
Finally, 100% of the wealth and items that Kabong and I have acquired have been earned honestly. We have never purchased gold, ecto, any other currency, or items for real money or any other alternative means. We have never scammed. It may be beyond Stuey's ability to understand or imagine such a thing, but that's more his problem than mine.
Let's get back to the items, people. Making Top 10 lists or Mount Rushmores is pointless (as System pointed out early on) and only opens the door this kind of nonsense.
We've faced accusations of all kinds for years -- mostly nebulous and unfounded, like the one Stuey has mindlessly tossed out, but sometimes simply bizarre. For example, there was once an accusation made that [PhD] was systematically fixing prices on dragon staves. I don't know where people come up with this stuff.
On the rare occasions when the accusations have been substantiated, action has been taken to make that [PhD] remains true to its principles. As far as I understand, this makes us unique among the more prominent "collector" guilds in the game.
Regarding the Req 8 15% unconditional axe, the simple facts of the matter are:
1) Jason did not acquire the axe in any "shady" way.
2) I did not acquire the axe from Jason.
3) I traded a set of 7 items for the req 8 15 unconditional axe. Those 7 items would be the centerpiece of any collection posted here. Some of those items are currently on display in recently posted collections.
Finally, 100% of the wealth and items that Kabong and I have acquired have been earned honestly. We have never purchased gold, ecto, any other currency, or items for real money or any other alternative means. We have never scammed. It may be beyond Stuey's ability to understand or imagine such a thing, but that's more his problem than mine.
Let's get back to the items, people. Making Top 10 lists or Mount Rushmores is pointless (as System pointed out early on) and only opens the door this kind of nonsense.
Surge goes pre
Yeah I think we should stick to posting items. There are so many nice collections who's owners will never be named here cause people have forgotten or don't know. I and maybe others know a certain someone with 2x q7 +5e swords, q7 15^50 hammer, and a shit ton of other 1 or a kind items (not kabong) that I don't think would be named here. Same person who used to own that q7 spiked targe that has been posted here a few times recently.
Not to mention no one knows what people like guava have but I suspect some insane items there for example.
Point is that we don't know who has what and so making a list ranking the best collections of items is pointless. It's like trying to figure out the temperature of the core of the sun by only considering the black body radiation of the surface. You'll be off by like 5 orders of magnitude.
Not to mention no one knows what people like guava have but I suspect some insane items there for example.
Point is that we don't know who has what and so making a list ranking the best collections of items is pointless. It's like trying to figure out the temperature of the core of the sun by only considering the black body radiation of the surface. You'll be off by like 5 orders of magnitude.
ms magic
Guru is such a good read lol, why do they have to close it ffs!
expugnare
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But yes, my #1 fave active collection(and collector) is Kabong. I even have fanboy hammers. |
Fanboy hammers FTW!
Kabong gave me that 15/-1e Twin Hammer. Its one of the most glorious items I have tbh.
<3
ALSO RE LISTS: Honestly, why are people getting worked up? Its a fun idea, and with Guru going what's the harm in getting a consensus on what people like? At the end of the day its subjective--and I for one like to see what other people value most. No real intention to forget or ignore people; inevitably some people will be, though, that's just how these things work. I respect everyone who has posted here, doubly so those with unique, legitly attained items.
Just my 0.02
Captain Krompdown
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:I for one like to see what other people value most. No
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Asking people on the internet to talk about other people on the internet is just begging for...well, Stuey showed you what you can expect.
trademeimfamous
To end this ridiculous discussion about a collection top list I am posting this collection of mine, that I have never posted before and that will undoubtedly be at the top of everybody's personal ranking
superraptors
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Tons of people missing from that list. I probably wouldn't make the top 10 and others on there as well. IMO
Again as said above, it's very subjective, and can be affected by when and where and all kinds of things. Also if you are gonna have a list I don't see how Akh couldn't be at the top personally. Even quitting long long ago he had many many rare items. Of course then you have to consider the fact that he had a nice boost by catching the first trader malfunction. Don't forget Malice Black, Rice, and loads of others. I can't think of names, but I have seen many legendary collections. Also nothing against Kromp, but how that 15% axe was obtained by Jason seems a fair bit shady as I recall. I have a hard time counting that as fairly obtained. I'd also love to know who got all their wealth without outside means or taking advantage in some way . ---------- Also I took screens again of all my stuff, and will try to edit and upload soon. |
Nobody has ever confirmed what he has in game, it is all made up.
Pleikki
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Malice black? he doesn't own anything he claims he does.
Nobody has ever confirmed what he has in game, it is all made up. |
But as far as i know he doesnt anymore have anything tho that he sold em like 2010, but before that he did
Also i remember him being quite the trader in 2006-2007 and back then atleast had nice items,
but yeah i remember also the later years after he quit of hes posts saying what all he had but never showd anyone afaik, unless maybe stuey
Belle Dwayna
Nobody cares about your drama guys, it's not the topic of hwo has the biggest... but a place to share things we are proud of.
I don't come here to read pages of who deserves what, but only to see what you guys spent hundred of hours for.
Nice white collection trademe, I never think to look at white drops to see if it could be q8 ^^
I don't come here to read pages of who deserves what, but only to see what you guys spent hundred of hours for.
Nice white collection trademe, I never think to look at white drops to see if it could be q8 ^^
StueyG
Meh. Not gonna edit. Wasn't attacking anyone, I never claimed or said anything about you or your brother personally. You made a lot of assumptions there.
Apologizes about the axe - even though if you can read I never actually said it was true, I just remember a lot of mess over it. Thank you for clearing it up.
I am truly curious about who has and hasn't done things on the up and up. You took that the wrong way. No drama or story there. You are just creating it.
Was guildies with Malice yes, did see random items in game. Speaking of baseless "facts"
Agreed, I should have just gone that direction as really the list thing is silly.
Nice collection trademe.
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Apologizes about the axe - even though if you can read I never actually said it was true, I just remember a lot of mess over it. Thank you for clearing it up.
I am truly curious about who has and hasn't done things on the up and up. You took that the wrong way. No drama or story there. You are just creating it.
Was guildies with Malice yes, did see random items in game. Speaking of baseless "facts"
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Nobody cares about your drama guys, it's not the topic of hwo has the biggest... but a place to share things we are proud of.
I don't come here to read pages of who deserves what, but only to see what you guys spent hundred of hours for. Nice white collection trademe, I never think to look at white drops to see if it could be q8 ^^ |
Agreed, I should have just gone that direction as really the list thing is silly.
Nice collection trademe.
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Zephyr of Light
Who knew that making a subjective / ''take it with a grain of salt'' top 10 would trigger everyone so deep ey.
What if I made a list of all people who ebayed shit or botted
Not so subjective, but lols.
But other then that, I see no reason too flame on stuey.
Its not like we are jealous about what others have honestly, and if we'd be having so much envy or jealousy that we wanted what they had, we'd be after it long ago.
What if I made a list of all people who ebayed shit or botted
Not so subjective, but lols.
But other then that, I see no reason too flame on stuey.
Its not like we are jealous about what others have honestly, and if we'd be having so much envy or jealousy that we wanted what they had, we'd be after it long ago.
Captain Krompdown
@Stuey: No assumptions made. You were pretty clear when you said that you couldn't consider my axe to be "fairly obtained". Let me know if I read that wrong, lol. You explicitly questíoned my integrity and then went on to wonder aloud about how people have managed to do the things they've done. No drama created or literacy issues on my end...just unfounded accusation followed by inflammatory question from you. Smh
@Raptors + Pleikki: Agreed about Malice and his remaining collection. I also seem to remember him having some nice things in the first couple of years of the game but those things seem to be long gone.
@Trademe: I like that you found the value in whites. The one and only max ball hammer that ever dropped for me was white (Req 12
), but it's special enough to still occupy a spot in Kabong's vault.
@Rice: Beautiful set of shields you have there. As usual, your stuff is super-fine.
Looking forward to seeing more collections, including the long-awaited reveal from Stuey. Can't wait to see all those dwarven axes you've been hoarding.
@Raptors + Pleikki: Agreed about Malice and his remaining collection. I also seem to remember him having some nice things in the first couple of years of the game but those things seem to be long gone.
@Trademe: I like that you found the value in whites. The one and only max ball hammer that ever dropped for me was white (Req 12
), but it's special enough to still occupy a spot in Kabong's vault.@Rice: Beautiful set of shields you have there. As usual, your stuff is super-fine.
Looking forward to seeing more collections, including the long-awaited reveal from Stuey. Can't wait to see all those dwarven axes you've been hoarding.
tooburns
Fck that list your are all my hero... Fair enough
<3
<3
cosyfiep
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Fck that list your are all my hero... Fair enough
<3 |
and dang wish I had had some kind of ....'need' to acquire some of, heck, even a piece of two of what has been listed....but my 'needs' went a different way (luny would understand)....and I am still working on getting enough wealth to afford the last few 'pokemons' that I dont have (outside of the need to have at least one of all of the unique skins...)
ah well....at least I can gaze upon what others have and been happy that some of the best items are in a good place
Captain Krompdown
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Fck that list your are all my hero... Fair enough
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I'm with you, Burnsy. We've all learned a lot from each other over the years and Guru has played a huge role in that. Maybe one nice thing to do as a goodbye to Guru might be to pay tribute to our heroes, our teachers, our inspirations, and our mentors as collectors.
In particular, two people stand out for me: Chaos Theory PVP (aka Shantel Melina or Riven Hawkmaster) and The Herbalizer. When I started out collecting and trading, both Herb and Chaos Theory were well-established giants in the game. They both always took the time to answer my questions, help me learn how to evaluate items and prices, and they absorbed my fanboy gushing with humor and humility.
I have no idea if either of you check in on Guru anymore, but I just wanted to publicly thank you one more time before this site goes black. It's an honor to have both of you as officers in [PhD]. It's the best I could do to repay you for your kindness and generosity, but it's not nearly enough.
ursan ftw
f your unrealistic beauty standards.. my collection is beautiful
dreaming in digital
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Also, I've got a question for the guru vets here. Any restoration magic collections out there(pre or post nerf)? I think that's one of the few things I haven't seen yet on here.
Pleikki
zushix here on guru collects restoration items pre and post
dreaming in digital
ahh right, thanks. but the collection itself hasn't been posted? always been curious to see what all faction pre nerf restore items are out there especially.
expugnare
Ursan, I have a collection very similar to that. 
I like to call them heartbreakers. In fact I posted them here recently with my full collection a few weeks back.
Hit me up in game! I'd love to see what all you have.
My in game name is Yuko Asakura
I like to call them heartbreakers. In fact I posted them here recently with my full collection a few weeks back. Hit me up in game! I'd love to see what all you have.
My in game name is Yuko Asakura
_Todeshand_
Having been nostalgic today... Marseilles Walles' name should have been somewhere on that Top10 collectors list.
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Having been nostalgic today... Marseilles Walles' name should have been somewhere on that Top10 collectors list.
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i am the ownage
and back to the list....
#1 merchant
#2 merchant
#3 merchant
#4 merchant
#5 merchant
#6 merchant
#7 merchant
#8 merchant
#9 merchant
#10 everyone else
#1 merchant
#2 merchant
#3 merchant
#4 merchant
#5 merchant
#6 merchant
#7 merchant
#8 merchant
#9 merchant
#10 everyone else
O O O Yoji O O O
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and back to the list....
http://i.imgur.com/1fhhgRd.png #1 merchant #2 merchant #3 merchant #4 merchant #5 merchant #6 merchant #7 merchant #8 merchant #9 merchant #10 everyone else |
How many tresures have been merched.. xD
Captain Krompdown
Since many of my old images have been lost (and at Imy's request), here's a list of some of my favorite items from my (and Kabong's) vault. All of the items here are perfect, which means that collection-worthy items that are imperfect (e.g., Req 8 -2/-3(9%)) aren't listed.
This list also doesn't include any of Kabong's hammers, any of my necro collection, or any other caster gear (e.g., Kabong's small but impressive collection of mesmer and elementalist gear). Maybe later for that :P
This list also won't include items that are very nice, popular, expensive, etc., that are likely to appear in more than one or two other people's collections. In other words, no req 8 fellblades and more standard collection-type stuff.
This list also only includes items that I currently own. Some of the nicest items that Kabong and I have ever owned have found their way to other people's collections. Some of the finest sword-and-shield and bow collections in the game are centered around items that came from our vaults under very specific circumstances, as are many of the more unusual (req 7) axes that you see floating around. The current owners deserve the pleasure of displaying those items for themselves.
Finally, this list doesn't include items that of strictly historical or personal value. Customized unconditional weapons from The Herbalizer, a helmet from Stza Erza (RIP), and other such relics and mementos don't appear here.
This list isn't exhaustive...just some of my favorites. All perfect. All pristine.
Shields (non-heavy, since those were my first true love in GW)
Req 8 -2/+45(stance) Magmas
Req 8 -2/-3 Magmas
Req 8 30/+10 vs trolls Magmas
Req 8 45 (hex)/-3(hex) Magmas (this is from before the buff up to 60/-3)
Req 8 -2/+45(stance) Crude
Req 8 -2/+45 (stance) Tall
Req 8 -2/+45(ench) Warlord
Req 8 -2/-2 Warlord (a few of these out there but I love it)
Req 7t 30/-2s Celestial
Req 8t 30/-2s Bladed
Req 9s 30/-5 Bladed
Axes
Req 8 15% unconditional Double Bladed
Req 8 stance Dwarven
Req 8 stance Serpent
Req 7 stance Cleaver
Req 8 15^50 Sephis x2
Req 8 stance Sephis (more common than others on this list, but I love it)
Req 8 +5e Celestial
EDIT: Req 10 15^50 Dwarven (oops!)
Swords
Req 7 +5e Platinum
Req 7 15/-5e Platinum
Req 7 +5e Celestial
Req 8 +5e Butterfly
Req 7 stance Long
Req 7 stance Brute
Req 7 stance Wingblade
Req 7 stance Gladius x2
Req 7 stance Spatha x2
Req 7 15^50 Dadao
Req 7 15^50 Short
Req 7 15^50 Gladius x2
My pet bow
Req 8 +5e Fleshy
Heavy shields
30/-5 Magmas
30/-5 Kappa
30/-5 Echovald
30/-5 Shadow
30/-5 Plagueborn
30/-2s Gothic
30/-2s Shadow
30/-2s Echovald
30/-2s Emblazoned
-2/+45(stance) Emblazoned
-2/+45 (stance) Eternal
30/+10 vs Demons Guardian of the Hunt
This list also doesn't include any of Kabong's hammers, any of my necro collection, or any other caster gear (e.g., Kabong's small but impressive collection of mesmer and elementalist gear). Maybe later for that :P
This list also won't include items that are very nice, popular, expensive, etc., that are likely to appear in more than one or two other people's collections. In other words, no req 8 fellblades and more standard collection-type stuff.
This list also only includes items that I currently own. Some of the nicest items that Kabong and I have ever owned have found their way to other people's collections. Some of the finest sword-and-shield and bow collections in the game are centered around items that came from our vaults under very specific circumstances, as are many of the more unusual (req 7) axes that you see floating around. The current owners deserve the pleasure of displaying those items for themselves.
Finally, this list doesn't include items that of strictly historical or personal value. Customized unconditional weapons from The Herbalizer, a helmet from Stza Erza (RIP), and other such relics and mementos don't appear here.
This list isn't exhaustive...just some of my favorites. All perfect. All pristine.
Shields (non-heavy, since those were my first true love in GW)
Req 8 -2/+45(stance) Magmas
Req 8 -2/-3 Magmas
Req 8 30/+10 vs trolls Magmas
Req 8 45 (hex)/-3(hex) Magmas (this is from before the buff up to 60/-3)
Req 8 -2/+45(stance) Crude
Req 8 -2/+45 (stance) Tall
Req 8 -2/+45(ench) Warlord
Req 8 -2/-2 Warlord (a few of these out there but I love it)
Req 7t 30/-2s Celestial
Req 8t 30/-2s Bladed
Req 9s 30/-5 Bladed
Axes
Req 8 15% unconditional Double Bladed
Req 8 stance Dwarven
Req 8 stance Serpent
Req 7 stance Cleaver
Req 8 15^50 Sephis x2
Req 8 stance Sephis (more common than others on this list, but I love it)
Req 8 +5e Celestial
EDIT: Req 10 15^50 Dwarven (oops!)
Swords
Req 7 +5e Platinum
Req 7 15/-5e Platinum
Req 7 +5e Celestial
Req 8 +5e Butterfly
Req 7 stance Long
Req 7 stance Brute
Req 7 stance Wingblade
Req 7 stance Gladius x2
Req 7 stance Spatha x2
Req 7 15^50 Dadao
Req 7 15^50 Short
Req 7 15^50 Gladius x2
My pet bow
Req 8 +5e Fleshy
Heavy shields
30/-5 Magmas
30/-5 Kappa
30/-5 Echovald
30/-5 Shadow
30/-5 Plagueborn
30/-2s Gothic
30/-2s Shadow
30/-2s Echovald
30/-2s Emblazoned
-2/+45(stance) Emblazoned
-2/+45 (stance) Eternal
30/+10 vs Demons Guardian of the Hunt
[PhD]
Ham Rock
Amazing stuff to just even read about. Can we someday expect some pictures from you? 14 days from now guru will shut down. Enough time to take some screenshots 
. Either way. Awesome to see (read) these items.
Must say my favorite is: Req 8 45 (hex)/-3(hex) Magmas. Just because I (want to) collect shields like those. Priority lies somewhere else now though
~Em
. Either way. Awesome to see (read) these items.Must say my favorite is: Req 8 45 (hex)/-3(hex) Magmas. Just because I (want to) collect shields like those. Priority lies somewhere else now though
~Em
trademeimfamous
heavy shields = req 13 str?
Red Fireball
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heavy shields = req 13 str?
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Shields (non-heavy, since those were my first true love in GW)
Req 8 -2/+45(stance) Magmas Req 8 30/+10 vs trolls Magmas Req 8 15% unconditional Double Bladed Req 7 15^50 Short Req 7 15^50 Gladius HEAVY 30/-5 Magmas |
Well it´s an overstatement, but I really love them either perf in whatsoever means or heavy - only the strongest of all warriors can use that magmas there properly <3And I´d also love to see some pics^^
spinkyuk
Tyvm captain for sharing your awsome items, hopfully you have time to post some screens before guru closes.
Absolutely RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing awsome :-)
Absolutely RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing awsome :-)
O O O Yoji O O O
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Req 8 30/+10 vs trolls Magmas [CENTER [PhD]
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Amazing!
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My pet bow
Req 8 +5e Fleshy [PhD] |
MaxBorken
In a convenient and unplanned combination of posts, The Captain has asked who inspired people to begin collecting and then posted details of the items that inspired me to begin collecting and also explained how his mentors encouraged and humoured him as he began his journey.
I had heard of these collectors, and read the collections thread many times, and as I wanted to begin a collection myself, I sought them out intending to convince them to show me the ropes. Enchanted Krystal, Gregor, Calli, and Tooburns were the ones who taught me at first. EK was my inspiration to begin a collection after he showed me his Magmas shields. We decided I should collect dual reduction shields after we spent hours trying to figure out what to collect. He donated my first piece to start me off - a r8 -2-2 skeleton shield. I don't think either of us knew the future of that collection.
But the names I really wanted to meet were a couple of brothers named Kromp and Kabong. But finding them was tricky as we were never on at the same time. I had heard tales of the items in their possession, so like a stalker I waited to meet them. When I finally did, and explained what I was doing, The items Kromp showed me were the final inspiration for me to collect. Truly amazing items, some of which he listed just now. But it was the mission of his little guild that impressed me most - to locate, acquire and preserve the rarest items in existence.
These collectors were to be the ones that humoured and taught me.
I wanted a part of that, and it was this mission that drove me to locate and acquire as many dual reduction shields as possible, and maybe, just maybe my name might be whispered in conversations of the finest items. Would I be able to write my name on the history of collectors even though I had come late to collecting? I can't answer that, but I'm giving it my best shot.
Max
I had heard of these collectors, and read the collections thread many times, and as I wanted to begin a collection myself, I sought them out intending to convince them to show me the ropes. Enchanted Krystal, Gregor, Calli, and Tooburns were the ones who taught me at first. EK was my inspiration to begin a collection after he showed me his Magmas shields. We decided I should collect dual reduction shields after we spent hours trying to figure out what to collect. He donated my first piece to start me off - a r8 -2-2 skeleton shield. I don't think either of us knew the future of that collection.
But the names I really wanted to meet were a couple of brothers named Kromp and Kabong. But finding them was tricky as we were never on at the same time. I had heard tales of the items in their possession, so like a stalker I waited to meet them. When I finally did, and explained what I was doing, The items Kromp showed me were the final inspiration for me to collect. Truly amazing items, some of which he listed just now. But it was the mission of his little guild that impressed me most - to locate, acquire and preserve the rarest items in existence.
These collectors were to be the ones that humoured and taught me.
I wanted a part of that, and it was this mission that drove me to locate and acquire as many dual reduction shields as possible, and maybe, just maybe my name might be whispered in conversations of the finest items. Would I be able to write my name on the history of collectors even though I had come late to collecting? I can't answer that, but I'm giving it my best shot.
Max
ursan ftw
neat I always wondered who has the q7 +5e weapons, do you still own these items kromp? would love to see pictures too! Anybody knows who owns all the q8 +5e tyrian swords/axes??!?
Ham Rock
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expugnare
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neat I always wondered who has the q7 +5e weapons, do you still own these items kromp? would love to see pictures too! Anybody knows who owns all the q8 +5e tyrian swords/axes??!?
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Oofus owns a q7+5e jitte.
I know of Q7+5e brute and broadsword.
Q8+5e FDS was owned by capitalist.
Rest of the Tyrian Q8+5e maybe Handler? Not sure if anyone has em all.
Hopefully someone can confirm.