make vendor that sells zkeys and flames, perhaps combine it with the sigil trader. we can sell sigils so why not. oh and make sigils stackable
the prices will automatically adjust from from people buying excessively or selling them.
its pretty much going to be like ectos.
zkey vendor
superraptors
clear
There is a NPC who sells Zkeys and Flames.
Cool Name
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There is a NPC who sells Zkeys and Flames.
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RedDog91
I can see a z key vendor causing the prices to rise after a few months.
People will get used to it being there and may not go earn as many as they used to. Then, a few people will buy out the stock until the prices raise a good bit and then people will sell it at a slightly lower price than the vendor, but still higher than what it is now.
It's fairly easy to keep prices near the level you want. Ectos for example:
There's plenty of ectos floating around in inventories and storages. The reason why its stays between 6k-9k at the trader is because those people don't sell to the vendor. If 75% of all ectos in the game were sold to the rare mat trader, the price would likely fall to maybe 2k or less.
People will get used to it being there and may not go earn as many as they used to. Then, a few people will buy out the stock until the prices raise a good bit and then people will sell it at a slightly lower price than the vendor, but still higher than what it is now.
It's fairly easy to keep prices near the level you want. Ectos for example:
There's plenty of ectos floating around in inventories and storages. The reason why its stays between 6k-9k at the trader is because those people don't sell to the vendor. If 75% of all ectos in the game were sold to the rare mat trader, the price would likely fall to maybe 2k or less.
Pony Slaystation
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oh and make sigils stackable
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But yeah.... I vote no for a zkey vendor.... would mess with prices too much, and make the title even easier to get. Players should have to put in at least a little bit of effort.
Rumi The Poet
Personally id rather pay XX(Zkey Vendor) than Johnny Inflate ProTrader who buys/sells.
aka someone who buys keys for the purpose of reselling them.
aka someone who buys keys for the purpose of reselling them.
Johny bravo
ZKeys are meant to be a PvP reward (although some would argue FA, JQ and AB aren't really PVP). They both allow PvP players access to items from the PvE world through the z-chest. They also are supposed to act as a way to dump Bal-faction. Making a vendor for them is simply not needed. If you want keys play PvP or buy them from PvPers.
RedStar
Zaishen being considered a PvP title is already bad enough (but can be a little justified).
If they ever make Z keys buyable, they should change the status of the Zaishen Title.
If they ever make Z keys buyable, they should change the status of the Zaishen Title.
SpyderArachnid
Z-Keys are offered as a reward from PvP.
You can't technically compare them to ecto as ecto is a material used for crafting. They are two completely different things. The reason why ecto is in a vendor and costs real money, is cause you actually need it to craft items. You don't need to buy Z-Keys and don't need them for anything important.
Making a Z-Key vendor would be a horrible idea. Then people could literally buy their PvP title and buy tons of Z-Keys for the chest. I disagree with the Zaishen title being a PvP title, but this would just make it silly easy to get. We don't need more extremely easy ways to get stuff in this game.
So definitely, /notsigned.
You can't technically compare them to ecto as ecto is a material used for crafting. They are two completely different things. The reason why ecto is in a vendor and costs real money, is cause you actually need it to craft items. You don't need to buy Z-Keys and don't need them for anything important.
Making a Z-Key vendor would be a horrible idea. Then people could literally buy their PvP title and buy tons of Z-Keys for the chest. I disagree with the Zaishen title being a PvP title, but this would just make it silly easy to get. We don't need more extremely easy ways to get stuff in this game.
So definitely, /notsigned.
superraptors
people can already buy there zaishen title from players, if anything this trader will make it harder to get, zkeys arent important? lol are u stupid? they are already used as currency, i can argue the same for ectos, chaos gloves and fissure only? im pretty sure both are important and zkeys deserves a vendor. you dont need to state the obvious mr pver, nah i want a vendor so i can get some plat from the merchant when ever i want.
pretty muche everyone think it is easier to get, you do realise the prices will get as high as 7-8k making it harder to get.
as i said i can buy zkeys from players already but i cant sell them to players whenever i want.
you scrubs are pretty thick tbh
pretty muche everyone think it is easier to get, you do realise the prices will get as high as 7-8k making it harder to get.
as i said i can buy zkeys from players already but i cant sell them to players whenever i want.
you scrubs are pretty thick tbh
SpyderArachnid
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people can already buy there zaishen title from players, if anything this trader will make it harder to get, zkeys arent important? lol are u stupid? they are already used as currency, i can argue the same for ectos, chaos gloves and fissure only? im pretty sure both are important and zkeys deserves a vendor. you dont need to state the obvious mr pver, nah i want a vendor so i can get some plat from the merchant when ever i want.
pretty muche everyone think it is easier to get, you do realise the prices will get as high as 7-8k making it harder to get. as i said i can buy zkeys from players already but i cant sell them to players whenever i want. you pve scrubs are pretty thick tbh |
As far as game standards, Z-Keys are not as important as Ecto. Community wise, yes Z-Keys are considered a form of currency. But game wise, there is no need for a vendor that sells Z-Keys for cash.
Z-Keys are a PvP reward for doing PvP. The only use they have is opening a chest that has a low chance of giving you something good. Otherwise, the community makes them worth something different. Ecto on the other hand, is used in crafting armor and gloves. Game wise, Ecto is more useful than Z-Keys. Community wise, they are about equal.
So no, we don't need a vendor to sell us Z-Keys. You can already buy them for 100g and a Gold Z-Coin. And players sell them plenty. If you want more than that and feel it is necessary for a vendor, then go do PvP and earn your own. Z-Keys do not deserve their own vendor.
Cool Name
Lol troll.
But selling keys is easy, it is NEVER difficult to sell in GToB.
But selling keys is easy, it is NEVER difficult to sell in GToB.
Caw521
I'm confused. Why would you want to make zkeys more expensive? o.O
Zkeys were originally made as rewards for doing stuff, not as currency. Just leave it player-tradable only (besides tolkano/zrewards). It sorta sounds like you're being a bit lazy (no offence, may have interpreted it wrongly) and going, "omg I could have saved myself 1 minute of my time for an extra 2k per key"
Oh, and don't quote me on this, but I believe zkey prices were player-decided originally. So why would you want the prices to fluctuate like ectos or whatnot?
Zkeys were originally made as rewards for doing stuff, not as currency. Just leave it player-tradable only (besides tolkano/zrewards). It sorta sounds like you're being a bit lazy (no offence, may have interpreted it wrongly) and going, "omg I could have saved myself 1 minute of my time for an extra 2k per key"
Oh, and don't quote me on this, but I believe zkey prices were player-decided originally. So why would you want the prices to fluctuate like ectos or whatnot?
Pony Slaystation
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Missmelady
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Why? You'll never really need more than one sigil at a time...
But yeah.... I vote no for a zkey vendor.... would mess with prices too much, and make the title even easier to get. Players should have to put in at least a little bit of effort. |
Sigh making sigils stack is far better because I do not know about you but winning halls 14-15 in a row and getting a sigil every time sure fills up that inventory spots, when you already have weapon swaps shield set swaps. Even with the Extra storage with the bags and packs getting sigils repeatably while holding halls fills up the inventory and would just b a better way to hold onto them.
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Coast
I like the idea of stackable sigils.
I'll stay neutral of the vendor idea.
I'll stay neutral of the vendor idea.
NerfHerder
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As much as I would like Zkeys to be buyable, it may cause more trouble than its worth. Without further thought, /notsigned.
newbie_of_doom
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I can see a z key vendor causing the prices to rise after a few months.
People will get used to it being there and may not go earn as many as they used to. Then, a few people will buy out the stock until the prices raise a good bit and then people will sell it at a slightly lower price than the vendor, but still higher than what it is now. It's fairly easy to keep prices near the level you want. Ectos for example: There's plenty of ectos floating around in inventories and storages. The reason why its stays between 6k-9k at the trader is because those people don't sell to the vendor. If 75% of all ectos in the game were sold to the rare mat trader, the price would likely fall to maybe 2k or less. |
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Why? You'll never really need more than one sigil at a time...
But yeah.... I vote no for a zkey vendor.... would mess with prices too much, and make the title even easier to get. Players should have to put in at least a little bit of effort. |
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Making a Z-Key vendor would be a horrible idea. Then people could literally buy their PvP title and buy tons of Z-Keys for the chest. I disagree with the Zaishen title being a PvP title, but this would just make it silly easy to get. We don't need more extremely easy ways to get stuff in this game.
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As far as game standards, Z-Keys are not as important as Ecto. Community wise, yes Z-Keys are considered a form of currency. But game wise, there is no need for a vendor that sells Z-Keys for cash.
Z-Keys are a PvP reward for doing PvP. The only use they have is opening a chest that has a low chance of giving you something good. Otherwise, the community makes them worth something different. Ecto on the other hand, is used in crafting armor and gloves. Game wise, Ecto is more useful than Z-Keys. Community wise, they are about equal. So no, we don't need a vendor to sell us Z-Keys. You can already buy them for 100g and a Gold Z-Coin. And players sell them plenty. If you want more than that and feel it is necessary for a vendor, then go do PvP and earn your own. Z-Keys do not deserve their own vendor. |
As for your arguement that players sell plenty of them, I do not see how this makes a trader unnecessary. In fact, I would see it as a reason to add a trader.
Don't get me wrong. I think zaishen keys shouldn't have been tradable to begin with. They are though. They are now an important currency. Adding a zaishen key vendor is, therefore, a suggestion I support.
/signed
SpyderArachnid
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Don't get me wrong. I think zaishen keys shouldn't have been tradable to begin with. They are though. They are now an important currency. Adding a zaishen key vendor is, therefore, a suggestion I support.
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if that was the case, then we should make a seperate vendor all together where you can exchange your money (platinum and gold) for Ectos, Armbraces, and Z-Keys. Cause that is basically what you are saying. You are saying that cause the community finds them to be an "important" currency, Anet needs to add them to a vendor so we can exchange them......
Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy.
superraptors
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So because the community believes that Z-Keys are an "important" currency, Anet should have to accommodate us and give us a vendor for them? Just because the community believes Z-Keys to be currency, doesn't mean we should instantly have a vendor for them.
if that was the case, then we should make a seperate vendor all together where you can exchange your money (platinum and gold) for Ectos, Armbraces, and Z-Keys. Cause that is basically what you are saying. You are saying that cause the community finds them to be an "important" currency, Anet needs to add them to a vendor so we can exchange them...... Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy. |
last time i checked zcoins come from pve also, infact 2/3 zbountys are pve and zcoins can be traded for zkeys, so your point is not valid, infact ur arguement is not valid.
also do you realise zkeys are being taken out of the economy much more then ectos, im pretty sure alot more people use zkeys then buy fow or chaos gloves daily.
zkeys were made because pvpers made pretty much 0 money from pvping
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Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy.
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anonymous
It is too late to do it now. I don't like game updates that make players rich just because they were lucky enough to be holding onto an item that the developers decided to make more valuable. If someone had 400 zkeys and the vendor made zkeys rise to 10k each, he would make 2000k just because he was lucky and had zkeys when the update was announced. Same thing with the player losing money would be pretty lame too. Developers should stay away from doing updates that drastically alter the prices of items unless there is no other choice. It isn't fun to lose money just because of random chance. Players should be the ones that control the market.
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MithranArkanere
I would accept items acquired in the Battle Isles like Zaishen Keys, Balthazar Flames and Sigils having a TRADER, but not selling them directly like lockpicks.
Traders do not create items. Unlike merchants, every single item in a trader was sold to another trader by a player. They are just middlemen so you don't have to wait spamming around to sell something, and waiting is something a PvP player doesn't need, they need to get rid of the stuff they don't need and it's taking space as soon as possible to go on with their PvPing, so a trader would help with that.
They source is supposed to be doing stuff in the Battle Isles. And it's only like that. When you buy them from someone else, those keys were originally obtained in the Battle Isles too.
So if it's a trader, as long as Zaishen Keys can be traded it's not really that bad.
People against this should consider asking for ZKeys to be made non-tradable like Zaishen coins, since this won't really make the current situation worse.
Traders do not create items. Unlike merchants, every single item in a trader was sold to another trader by a player. They are just middlemen so you don't have to wait spamming around to sell something, and waiting is something a PvP player doesn't need, they need to get rid of the stuff they don't need and it's taking space as soon as possible to go on with their PvPing, so a trader would help with that.
They source is supposed to be doing stuff in the Battle Isles. And it's only like that. When you buy them from someone else, those keys were originally obtained in the Battle Isles too.
So if it's a trader, as long as Zaishen Keys can be traded it's not really that bad.
People against this should consider asking for ZKeys to be made non-tradable like Zaishen coins, since this won't really make the current situation worse.
superraptors
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I always thought they were introduced as another way to reward PvP gameplay. I always thought that strict PvPers don't really need in-game money.
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cause more people would prefer a pvp character over a pve character yeh?
Also thats why MAT's are always loaded and AT's are empty of course pvpers need money.
rewarded for gameplay lol?? last time i heard HB was all about resigning, im sure its gameplay.
if rpgs dont offer incentives then theres no point playing it.
its not the type of fun/reward you get out of fps's or rts's.
newbie_of_doom
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So because the community believes that Z-Keys are an "important" currency, Anet should have to accommodate us and give us a vendor for them? Just because the community believes Z-Keys to be currency, doesn't mean we should instantly have a vendor for them.
if that was the case, then we should make a seperate vendor all together where you can exchange your money (platinum and gold) for Ectos, Armbraces, and Z-Keys. Cause that is basically what you are saying. You are saying that cause the community finds them to be an "important" currency, Anet needs to add them to a vendor so we can exchange them...... Z-Keys are a PvP reward. If we make a vendor for them, then what are we going to start giving out for PvP rewards now? People would barely do PvP anymore for them cause they can just buy them from a vendor now. Thus, yet another cripple in the PvP community. PvP is already getting the short end of the stick. This would just add to it even more to make Z-Keys available for anyone to just up and buy. |
Not to mention, that zaishen keys are NOT exclusively obtained through PvP.
It wouldn't make more zaishen keys available for "anyone to just up and buy". It is very basic supply & demand. If no one sells zaishen keys to the trader, the keys will be impossibly expensive.
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zkeys were made because pvpers made pretty much 0 money from pvping
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I always thought they were introduced as another way to reward PvP gameplay. I always thought that strict PvPers don't really need in-game money.
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