DOA Clear/speed clear...help!

Im new to Doing DOA, I want to do this for money and....Ive been getting many mixed answers.

So, im in the place where people do PUGS for Doa..it seems most people are running trenchway + frostway.

Not people on this forum are saying frostway is noob.

I'm not looking for a guild to join, but to do PUGS for Doa.....

should i get a char to DOA, that is able to take part in frostway?

I only have a warrior in Doa, and the only build that uses a warrior is manly spike.

The only way DoA is decently profitable is if your in a good Guild that does daily runs. You need to get serious with DoASC, get several chars to DoA, max pve skill titles, get equiped etc. At this point, the good DoASC guilds are pretty exclusive since hardly anyone plays anymore, but you can probaly PuG for a bit til you get more experience then try and join a guild.

and Remember, its not just getting good at your one part of one team build. DoA is a pretty big and complex place and you need to be familiarized with the spawns, mobs, quests, layout, etc. And you need to be able to play several roles not just the same one every time.

and im not sure what you need money for, but trying to get into DoASC isnt going to be the best source of immediate cash flow.

I just want obby armor...and im looking for a way of good cash. Uwsc is boring and theres too many fails....what else is there to do besides Doa and uw and fow?

First of all, warriors are used in normal mode glaiveway.

If you want to do frostway/trenchway get a rit, mesmer and a monk to Dow, as those are most used.

I just dont want to have to do the WHOLE NF over again to get my monk there :/

If you just want Obby armor and some spending cash you shouldnt be doing DoASC for money. DoA requires commitment and time. and yes beating the campaign over again on several chars and farming LB/ss/eotn titles.

If you just want a quick buck for armor and such then your not going to get into a DoASC guild anyway and DoA wont be a good source of cash for you.

Honeslty, just stick with UWSC and join one of those many uwsc guilds that fail slightly less than PUGS.

That or find a new way to make money. We just have 3 big events in a row, during which you could make loads of cash doing the simplest of farms. But now, im not sure what you can do. DO some research and find something or just stick with Fowsc/uwsc

UWSC is not money.

DoA Frostway/Glaiveway is money (60k-100k+ every 1hr-2hr).

TBA get a ritualist to DoA. It doesn't take long to max LB ranks (3-4 full DoA).

Run DWG or ST build and your set to go.

Tho if your too lazy to get your ritulist there than go DWG Tank for warrior (gwpvx) harder to find groups tho.

Follow other DWG's to learn and there should be groups in town often.

Tips: Do a few glaiveway (NM) runs and learn it, then go Frostway if your using ritulist cause you will get more drops since its in HM.

thnx man, what about my monk for hb?

It's a matter of preference if you want to monk, or not. Glaiveway teams use an UA and HB.

ya currently getting my monk there :/

effort = reward
do it properly or get used to disappointment.
its much easier to pug if your correct class and build on the search list,

your correct sir.

Don't go with Glaiveway!...or Frostway. They're so bad and icky ickyyy... Get a Mesmer to DoA, get its Sunspear Rank up a little bit, get Pain Inverter and cap Esurge/Keystone Signet and find a DoA guild. It's far more profitable, fails less, and isn't as lame.

i found a service of a person who will get me thru NF for 90k on 2 characters....ill get my monk and mesmer if i dont like frostway on monk, then ill do what u say bout mesmer.

Or play t1/t2 inw fow if ur lazy(seems like it).
Obsidian shards are pretty nice now for making money/ur obby armor.

Lol, you serious? Frostway/Glaiveway = Money? This discussion has been here a couple times and I'll have to point it out again..
Glaiveway takes twice the time and half the reward of a DoASC done properly. That means, 4 times LESS the reward.
Frostway takes 3 times as long, but yields equal rewards, it just fails more. So frostway is 3 times less the reward...

DwG or Frost =/= money. A LOT of fail, a LOT of time, and LITTLE reward, it's the tway of DoA (tway as in PUG tway, no offence DL-ish ppl who run decent tway )

Although if the only reason you are doing this, is your obby armor, then I don't advise joining a DoASC guild. We put time, effort, patience and money into new people that aren't familiar with everything yet, just to teach them how things work. If that would mean you left after you gathered enough money just to get your obby, that would piss some ppl (including me) off... If it's just the obby armor, run UA or HB or whatever you like in DwG or Frost, if you want real money, experience and a lot of fun (yes, runs are usually a lot of fun, and we fool around most of the time, still getting 45min runs) you need to be a bit dedicated and you should join a DoA guild.

About the doing NF... I did NF on: my ssin, my monk, my mes and my necro in the same 3 weeks or something (was summer break, had time to spare ) It's painful, I know, and it's pretty damn boring, but the reward you get for it, is worth it...

FoW is better. It's less stressful, you don't need gimmicks or other players and there's no imba skeletons of dhuum that necessitate a strong party heal even with damage mitigation like "Save yourselves!". However, there's no inscribable drops except for the end chest.

If you're in it for the cash, don't do DoA. Runs take 2-3 consets (~45min-1hour) and you get 25gems in HM. That's 22K or so with 2-3K lost on cons.

You can get ~20-30 min FOWSC runs for guaranteed shards and save time/money in the long run since you don't have to buy people's overpriced obsidian shards.

Not sure how ur doing ur maths, but afaik Armbraces are worth far more then 60k. Which means gems are individually worth farm more then 1k each.

Last time I checked, Titans were 4.5k, Margos 3.5k, Stygians 2k, Torments 2.5k give or take. A properly done frostway assuming pug takes 2hrs give or take, and will yield 2 margos (7k), 4 stygians (8k), 6 Torments (15k), 8 Titans (36k), + money from quests which more then covers the cost of cons, and also drops. If you bring a merch summoning stone and run back and collect everything can make 10-15k in unclaimed drops that way. + any stones dropping in the run. thats atleast 65-80k in 2hrs with a pug, and probably 20 mins set up time.

In terms of not doing a DoA SC which is very difficult ot do because pugs dont do em, its quite a high rate of return. Compared with TWay which apart from abysmal fail rate, slow form time and relatively low return is a very good money making technique. Unless very lucky with drops will probs get 20-30k for a successful UWSC with 2k gone in cons, and an approximate 30-40% fail rate at a minimum.

FoWSC is quicker, but ur probably still looking 1.5k in cons, 30 mins + form time and will probs only get 15-25k in cash unless lucky in drops.

DoA is simply a superior money making form in terms of consistency, even assuming gem prices have dropped 5 or 10% since last i looked.

My assumption is you failed math in highschool or something, because if not, you should be very, very ashamed of yourself.

We'll assume you do 4 runs, each taking 50 minutes (that's the bad average, so you should actually do better than this calculation), and team setup taking 10 minutes (sometimes it's less, but 10 minutes should be about right in an active DoASC guild). So that's exactly 4 hours you spend doing DoA.
To make calculations easier, we'll assume you do a different start every run (veil once, then gloom, then foundry, then city start). This should yield you exactly 20 gemsets, not taking in regard you might get drops (someone actually got 8 stygian drops once in 1 veil run). That is 1 armbrace + 5 gemsets. 1 armbrace = 22-24e and the other gemsets are 1/3 of that. So we get:
23 + 1/3*23 = 30,666ecto, we'll narrow it down to 30e. 30/4 = 7,5ecto/hour. This is the VERY WORST you will earn doing DoASC. And cons money? You get 5,2k cash from the quest rewards only, so that covers cons double. And, if you got some spare time after your run, I advise you go looting, I've found q8 max dmg swords, q8/16 shields, q8/12 foci, q7/15 stuff, and when you're really lucky everyone leaves and you're alone, and noone picked up any gold coins, so that's another 4-5k easily. If you clear the path around the big vagina in veil, you can pick up everything that dropped there + mercantile stone = another 15-20k. And, you also get Primeval remnants, which are anywhere in between 6-10k each at the moment, I've seen occasions where I got 3 in 1 run, so count that in too and you'll have even more. I'd say DoA could get you anywhere between 7,5 and 9e/hour. Not counting the fact that I sometimes sell drops (7/15 for example) for 100k... You also should get at least 5-6 goldies on a run, so if you sell them unid, you get another 3,5-4,2k.. And I can keep summing up stuff.. Tomes, blah blah blah...

So, DoASC = bad money? Lol...

Again, there are more DoASC around than you think, and most are open for recruitment as far as I know. I can some up: [Zraw] [LODX] (too lazy to go copy the asian tag this time ) [epic] [THAC] (german) [SPQR](french) [DL] (they do DoA occasionally, so if DoA is your ambition, then you should join the hardcore, if you also want UW or FoW, DL is kind of your thing) and some other french and german guilds I don't know, and I've probably forgotten some too...
DoASC isn't the thing you do with PUGs, EVER, because PUGs are just bad. And DoASC requires coordination and you need vent for that, or TS, PUGs don't use vent, and probably don't listen either... So never try to PUG a keystone/trench group, because you'll lose an hour only getting your team + the run will easily take 1h30 + you'll most likely fail. DoASC was never meant to be PUG'ed, and it will never be... PUGs fail, face it, all I use them for is to kill mallyx every once in a while, when I want more primevals..

22K per hour was based on 15 gems in a set instead of 5.

Haven't done DoA in a while since I hate HB.

Actually it's more like 66K/hour.

Still, FoWSC will get you shards directly and it's about 10K guaranteed in 1/4 the time.

Ok, so you've failed math again... If the reward is 6,6 times as much (in your assumption, which I've overruled in the post above you, which you obviously didn't read) or 7-9 times as much (in my calculation, which is based on daily experience), but the time is 4 times as long (lol, wanna see you go 15min FoW on a regular basis, and I counted in forming time too, so, if you count time to form, you would have to be doing 5min FoWs for that, gg) then which one is more profitable?

If you would do, say FoW, we will assume you're in a very active FoW guild and can form teams in 5 minutes, which is pretty unrealistic, but still.. You do your FoW run in an average of 20minutes normally, should be less if it's an exp guild, but since I already took too little on the form time, we can assume 20min runs to keep the calcs leveled. So 25 minutes to form, start and finish at 10k/run, if you're tanking it's usually more like 15k/run average since you get more shards. You'll be earning 20-30k/hour doing this.

If you want money you either have to camp in HoH or do DoASC, there is no faster way...

Oh, and what's this supposed to mean? Still don't get what you meant by that...

And how does DoASC not get you gems directly? Last time I checked, monsters drop em and chest drop em too, so that's kind of direct to me..

Don't do it for money unless you're willing to Speed Clear. PUG's in DoA have about a 50/50 success rate (you can probably tell a fail group from a not-fail group), and NEVER, I mean NEVER do DoA on Zaishen Bounty days with it (When most noobs are present).

-As a Warrior you can only do this in NM, (6 runs to each Armbrace, each run taking 1.5-2 hours to complete, depends on PUG skill and what not)

-As a Paragon/Monk/Rit/Mes in HM (the only accepted classes in HM PUGs generally, since rarely do PUG's form Trenchway; 3 runs to each armbrace, 1.5-2.5 hours on each run depending on PUG luck)

-Go Sin/Mes, find a Great Guild, and run the 30 mins speed clears ;D (unreasonable)

-Glaive/Frostway (frostway is nearly the same exact concept as Glaiveway, but defense buffed)
-Trenchway is almost never used with PUG's


-Well that obviously rules out one of the notes I listed above


(DoA HM)
-For the sake of experiencing the game, I say yes; might as well have fun with as much as you can.

Well, no fancy calculations in this post, but I tried to answer your points as best as I could. Hope it helps!