[Theory]Survivor+Ldoa

Well THEORETICALLY we can do Survivor+Ldoa!(Legendary Defender of Ascalon)

How? : We need Igneous Summoning Stones,and Charr will kill our Fire Imp instead of us.

Why teorically?
Becuse we can use a Fire Imp 1 time in 1 hour,so to get necessary kills to level up 16-20 are about 500 days( about 119788 deaths, 1 death = 1 hour,so 119788 hours = ~500 days + the time for pulls/kills/rezone)


PS:I don't know if charrs take exp when kill a summoned Fire Imp but if works isn't impossible to get either titles (i don't think that someone will take them,but lolz)

What do you think?

http://www.presearing.com/forum2/ind...&topic=47665.0

Would take almost 5 years of constant death leveling using this approach

While its good in theory, it means that you can't do anything else for those 500 days...at all. It's possible to set an alarm to wake you up every hour at night, but if you have a job or go to school, you can't be there every hour.

And its pretty risky...you have to run in and aggro stuff to your imp without getting yourself killed. Mess this up just once and the plan is ruined.

What about having 2 accounts and use one of the dual clients thingies and have one char for cannon fodder and the other to do the kills and reap the xp?

First of all, you don't control your imp. Your imp is going to be high level and it will massacre the char before they can level up. Second of all, yeah, even if you could, why would you, the time investment is stupid.

*facepalm* Do you honestly think nobody would have figured out something like this if it was possible? Let me spell it out for you, no hard rez in pre searing thus no revival w/o shrine, no revival at shrine if your party isn't totally wiped, thus no exploitation.

Doesn't work. The shrine will only resurrect you if both party members are dead; and there are no hard rez skills available in pre-searing. Thus, you/your partner could only die twice (you've got a rez sig).

Would it rezz if one player was DC and the other was dead?
No I wouldn't expect it

They get experience from the Imp?
I don' think that would work. They don't get exp from the pet, why would they from an imp.

LDoA it's already a huge waste of time.
Why even trying an even bigger waste of time?

Wasting time when it's fun is great, that's what most games are all about, but when it's 'playing without playing'... I just can't understand that.

If you lvled a pet up, then sat for DAYS and rezzed it so a mob could repeatedly kill it, maybe. You and a partner with high lvl pets oughtta be able to rez both pets continually and let the mob take them out for a "faster" method. Any flaws in this one anyone can see(you WOULD have to have nice placement to not aggro monsters)

As it was all ready pointed out, pets don't give xp.

...to quell the mystery, there is only one way possible to accomplish both with the same character, but it will get that account perma-banned for having an illegal monk tome in pre from an exploit. Ask Borat.

It's possible, but unless you can afford to waste your time and life trying, and possibly failing, and all for the sake of seeking attention and compliments....? *cringes*

Nope, it wouldnt be possible with this method.

The Problem is that the Imp will not stop using its skills just for you to deathlevel with it. This means that it will probably grill all of the Charr long before they can level up far enough to give you XP after a certain level.

1. The Imp is too powerful for the Charr. Even a level 10-13 Imp can solo the bosses (mine did it once :O)
2. Even if the Charr somehow would manage to kill the Imp, it would take years to gain LDoA.

Anet REALLY don't want anyone to get those titles together... A bit of a surprise, since they're usually making titles easier to get with time (more faction gain methods and so on).

IIRC, pets do give XP, but only the first time they die (i.e. just the same as players and enemies). Since you are summoning a new fire imp, it would give XP multiple times. I'm sure its possible to have the fire imp face a wall and let enemy Necros/Mesmers kill it off. As mentioned, this is insanely slow. LDoA is a nerve-grindingly slow title as it is. LDoA with the fire imp is like a LDoA sqaured. If you started now and were 100% efficient you would have a decent chance of the Guild Wars servers being down by the time you finished.

Not to mention this method would have to require you to NEVER disconnect. Since builds force you to disconnect after a certain amount of time if you haven't updated....

I say its time we HM pre-searing.
And it will be uber HM since you can't get max armor, all attribute points, elite skills, or pve skills.

Having achieved LS and LDoA before (on the same character), I believe I'm an expert at this:

There is several ways to have gotten LS and LDoA, and there still is several ways to get:

Past ways that got fixed:

-Rezz Shrine:The ressurection shrine worked differently the first months of GW release (and in Beta), any time someone would die and there wouldn't be any ressurection methods left -So the other player wouldn't have a ressurection signet recharged-, he would automatically ressurect at the shrine, even if the other player was still alive. However during these days, it's unlikely anyone would've gotten it this way because you needed 2 players, and there was no such thing as titles (And LDoA) back then.

-Glitched Quest Reward: There was a quest with Necromancer Munne (Rites of Rememberance I think) that was repeatable given the setup was right. It essentially came down to stacking votice candles in your inventory and being unable to accept the quest reward, but you did get the experience. (Because the experience came before the quest items reward, and you would get an error message that your inventory was full) Mapping out and in would give you the ability to "reset" the quest and repeat it. This was fixed upon release or a bit after.

-(Rumored) Prize Winning Hogs reward: You used to get a hidden 50 experience for completing this mini-quest. (Putting all the hogs in the pen) I've never experienced this myself, so I don't know if this one ever existed.

Current ways


-Imp method: as explained above.

-Acquiring a Monk tome: As a result of several exploits, Monk tomes got brought into Pre-Searing. There still is several Monk tomes in circulation, so if you can track one down, you could possible deathlevel charr by ressurecting someone over and over again. This is technically not against the rules (because nowhere does it state monk tomes are exploited items, nor could a regular player be aware of this), but Anet did ban me for doing it this way. -Despite Gaile Grey explicitally stating buying tomes will not get you banned, just "force-moved" to post-Searing-

-Bottlenecking connection during loading: The ressurection shrine currently does work if you die, and party members haven't connected yet. Essentially what you'll do is use your .dat, route and maybe a third party program to slow your loading time down to several hours. GW is able to maintain a connection (without DC'ing) as long as you send atleast 1 kb every 10 minutes with a constant stream of atleast several bytes. I don't know the exact numbers and inner workings, but here's the setup:

You delete your .dat file so you need to download every file, including the Northlands area. The second your partner (the one who deathlevels while you're connecting) loads in, he aggros the Charr and goes through the usual deathlevel routine. At the same time, you use a program to limit your internet traffic (or even for the GW process only) to several bytes per second with a kilobyte spike every few minutes. You'dd need several megabytes of download, so using this method, you can stretch out your load time to several hours (5-10) without actually DC'ing. Enough for the deathleveller to deathlevel them up to a certain level.

This would, however, require you to delete your .dat file after each deathlevel, but it wouldn't take that much longer than actually achieving LDoA.

As for "legal" issues: using third party programs is against the rules, but traffic limiting is something really specific. Often, parents (who know what they're doing) will limite their children's internet connection to prevent too much download or to prevent gaming, whilst still allowing regular browsing. It's definatly not against the EULA, but knowing Anet, they could possibly ban you on grounds of the "third party program" clause.

I hope this settles any confusion once and for all...

It's possible and has already been done. some guy posted a screen of char with Ldoa + survivor one or two years ago right here on guru

Thats an interesting idea. Has anyone actually proven it to work?