E/Rit Spirit spammer (hero)

ok i have 2 toons atm, a sin and a ranger

i decided i wanted to make a paragon, and have been thinking of how and which heroes to grab. as i looked at my other 2 toons (and hero builds everywhere else) i noticed i have a tendency to stick with pretty much the same common heroes most people use (except for my 2 volley paras and full volley/barrage group). anyway

i noticed that there is an E/Mo hero build that has actually been pretty good through my testing, now i was wondering if anyone ever thought of using an E/Rit SoS build, and if they have what are/were the opinions on them.

was thinking:
Flesh of my flesh
Painful Bond
SoS (of course)
Agony
Bloodsong
Splinter weapon
Spirit siphon

remember, this build is for hero
fire away

Theres no point to an e/rt SoS. A rit is far superior

i understand, but considering it is much easier to get 2 elementalist before you can even think of unlocking any of the 2 rits, i was thinking E/Rit

No. Do not run crap builds because you don't have a hero unlocked. Go unlock the hero. It's not like Razah requires a full set of torment gems anymore.

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon

No. Do not run crap builds because you don't have a hero unlocked. Go unlock the hero. It's not like Razah requires a full set of torment gems anymore. sooooo..... trying something different is crap?? last i checked thats how builds are made is by trying something that most peeps haven't done.

ok, waiting for a response from the more experienced people from this forum, so that i can at least get a reason as why my build is "crap"

and BTW: this hero is for a new toon, and sadly the only campaign i haven't finished is NF, but i am working on it, so Xandra is the only Rit i can unlock at the time of this posting

So get xandra? Unfortunately for you, Chthon is arguably the most experienced person who regularly contributes to the Campfire. There are no advantages to running an ele primary in this situation, as they lack runes, spawning and worth in their primary attribute for the build.

It's not so much that you're trying something different, its that you haven't thought through the reasons why a rit primary is used. An e/mo excels beyond what a monk could hope to accomplish in protting because it has unlimited energy to spam the prots that a monk's energy management can't handle. This bar, however, has no advantages over a rit.

Edit: I assume that you're trying to run spiritway as you mention that you need 2 rits. My advice would be to make xandra the SoS, bring the AotL, and then probably a Panic for the last hero. With those three heroes, you'll coast through NF with no effort whatsoever, especially if you pick up SY to spam on your paragon

I'd sooner run R/Rt spirit spam than E/Rt. Expertise actually cuts down skill costs. Energy storage does nothing, especially since glyph of lesser energy doesn't reduce binding ritual costs. Unless you use it for Painful bond (which is not worth giving up Spawning power or expertise for), which is one skill, then there is no benefit. You end up using skill slots instead of just putting points in expertise, whereas on a Rt/any you could just bring Spirit siphon.

thanx

its not that i doubt someones experience, but if you just say "its a crap build" with no explanation, you have given me no reason to trust your input

and i understand a Rit will always be better at using Rit skills, i was just kinda looking for a substitute until i got Xandra. and i'm kinda getting tired of using the same heroes all the time... maybe i'll just skip having a spirit spammer alltogether and see what i can do with the not so popular heros


shanx for inputs

If this is for H/H then it really doesn't matter so long as it works for you. With all the skills in Channeling, I'd drop Spirit Siphon and max Energy Storage then bring another Channeling skill. Spirit Rift comes to mind without looking up the available skills. Of course if energy is an issue then leave it as is.

As pointed out, a Rit will run it better so you can replace the ele when you gain a Rit. Or bring both and have the Rit focus on other spirits.

I dunno, I almost sympathize with the guy. Going through the nightfall campaign is so dreadfully boring that playing a crappy knock off rit is an appealing choice.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rites

lol, i'm glad you find it boring... as i am not an "Elite" player, i have actually found nightfalls to be the most challenging. WiK is the other set i seem to find a lil challenging as well, but eventually i'll get thru

as for the e/rit thing, i just wanted to try NOT to have to go thru the whole tournament again as i found that quite boring

@daesu
this is for a new toon, and only way to get para heroes is thru a.) about halfway thru NF, b.) asuran area of eotn (dont remember exactly where to get hayda but i know i've done it on my ranger). which means doing the tournament to get Xandra would actually be alot easier by far.

i did look at the builds, and will probably try them with the paras on my ranger to see if i like them on her (and look into getting my paras on my new toon later) ty for input tho

Almost every caster can run a SoS build...a rit is obviously superior(runes + spawing power) but you can have a different hero until you unlock a rit(end of NF, or early in Eye). Use a ranger for expertise, or trow in spirit siphon for energy.
Still, it should be always a temporary solution.

Xandra actually has to be one of the easiest heros to get and she doesnt really take that much effort.Get to gunnars > load your chr a sos build ( its on pvx ) and do noen tournye and you should if lucky get xandra within a few mins ( round 3 ) - if she doesnt show just finish the tourney which is easy on sos as its only around 5 more mins to do then just repeat it.Ive had xandra on 6 chrs and only 2 needed me to repeat it.
Its not as if you need to run all way thru eotn for her.

Ok buildwise
flesh of my flesh is ok but many are split as it carries a penalty - if the target dies within the time period the caster dies and in a few situations it means 2 deaths in party and myself i prefer a better rez if possible.Spirit syphon and splinter weapon id drop - i prefer not to split into restoration as it can make attacks weaker as well as splinter weapon even as ele hero will be an energy drain as it will be spammed bigtime even with spirit syphon ( heros aint too bright at casting splinter weapon on melee chrs only ).

Quote: Originally Posted by Rites sooooo..... trying something different is crap?? last i checked thats how builds are made is by trying something that most peeps haven't done. There's a difference between promising "new" and stupid "new". Driving to work 80 miles per hour on the wrong side of a crowded freeway is indeed "something that most peeps haven't done," but I should not have to explain to you why it is not going to become the next big thing in urban transit.

Quote: Originally Posted by Spiritz

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Spirit


check out the chart displaying spawning relating to spirit HP.

so many people underestimate the importance of this attribute in relation to binding rituals
they must play NM

...which, just btw while on topic, are not spells..... ie: enhc/40/40 is pointless

Quote: Originally Posted by Rites

@daesu
this is for a new toon, and only way to get para heroes is thru a.) about halfway thru NF, b.) asuran area of eotn (dont remember exactly where to get hayda but i know i've done it on my ranger). which means doing the tournament to get Xandra would actually be alot easier by far.

i did look at the builds, and will probably try them with the paras on my ranger to see if i like them on her (and look into getting my paras on my new toon later) ty for input tho You can get Xandra to replace the SoS command Paragon, if you prefer. Just make her a Rt/P and wield a furious spear for anthem of envy. She won't have the spear damage and probably won't build up adrenaline as fast as a paragon with AR, but she would have level 14 channeling and bloodsong which makes up for it. The build that I have provided, allows for that.

try to do UW solo with an E/Rt and then try it with an Rt/X and you will see what the 4 extra attributes in Channeling will give you, not to mention the 86 or so extra health your spirits will have with 9 spawning power

its simple run whatever builds you like and yes use the ele/rit SoS until you get a rit hero if you like they still do massive amounts of damage still a better option if you have limited heros to use