I was playing the "Warband of Brothers" quest in EotN and was having trouble finishing the last boss, since he's flanked by two charr Effigies; they were burning down my characters with Mind Burn before I could reach the boss, over and over. I checked the wiki and tried pulling the Effigies to one side and then attacking the boss, and found it laughably easy to take him down while the Effigies stayed off in their own area.
The lesson I took from this is to learn how to "pull" the enemy better, but also not to give up if a particular battle seems impossible. What situations have you been in where you needed to think outside of the box?
What I Learned Today
syronj
Lord Mip
What I learned today:
That spreading Poison and counting cooldowns is more effective ranger play than camping a vital character in PvP.
Counting cooldowns helps for those.
That spreading Poison and counting cooldowns is more effective ranger play than camping a vital character in PvP.
Counting cooldowns helps for those.
Tommy's
I don't see how pulling is out of the box, since its really one of the basic ideas of playing PvE in this game. Secondly you don't even need to pull them since when fighting them just approach them from the sides and you don't even agro the boss. Just kill first effigy, second effigy and then the boss. At least if there hasn't been a change to the quest since a few weeks 
The only time I felt like doing something out of the box was for a quest in nf, believe it was to get Juni berries or something for Nick, where I needed to sac myself as much as I could, just as my friend, and ressing eachother as fast as we could to let our heroes make minions and once Toma got hungy we needed to sac our hero so he could eat all the hostile turned minions. But I guess thats not that much out of the box either
The only time I felt like doing something out of the box was for a quest in nf, believe it was to get Juni berries or something for Nick, where I needed to sac myself as much as I could, just as my friend, and ressing eachother as fast as we could to let our heroes make minions and once Toma got hungy we needed to sac our hero so he could eat all the hostile turned minions. But I guess thats not that much out of the box either
Tender Care
LOL just go for the boss and spike him.....
syronj
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Originally Posted by Tommy's
I don't see how pulling is out of the box, since its really one of the basic ideas of playing PvE in this game. Secondly you don't even need to pull them since when fighting them just approach them from the sides and you don't even agro the boss. Just kill first effigy, second effigy and then the boss. At least if there hasn't been a change to the quest since a few weeks
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tcratty
you should have have only had to fight the boss the effigies and all others should have already been dead. i give you bonus points for bravery though charging in and attacking that group wasnt my first thought after i saw the 2 GIGANTIC effigies coming towards me 
syronj
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Originally Posted by tcratty
you should have have only had to fight the boss the effigies and all others should have already been dead. i give you bonus points for bravery though charging in and attacking that group wasnt my first thought after i saw the 2 GIGANTIC effigies coming towards me
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Lasai
a lot of us learned this long ago and in different games.
Dont be a Leeeeroy.
I don't pug..because the urge to Leeeeroy is just too common still.
I spend tons of time equipping and getting skills for my heroes and then tailoring them for what I am doing.
RE the Worm..conditions and armor ignoring damage bypass the carapace.
I've beaten him with a strategically placed Jinn, Xandra and monk without ever touching a Keg.
Dont be a Leeeeroy.
I don't pug..because the urge to Leeeeroy is just too common still.
I spend tons of time equipping and getting skills for my heroes and then tailoring them for what I am doing.
RE the Worm..conditions and armor ignoring damage bypass the carapace.
I've beaten him with a strategically placed Jinn, Xandra and monk without ever touching a Keg.
TheGizzy
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Thanks. I'm trying not to be a Leroy Jenkins in this game. Clearly reaching level 20 is only the beginning for my characters in this game, though, and I will have to do more research on builds. The other levels that have been impossible so far include Heart of the Shiverpeaks (trying to slay a wurm) and Fire and Pain (several Effigies), so I'm trying to back off and improve my builds first. Yesterday I started to try for the Pain Inverter capability, which should supposedly help against the wurm.
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It's a learning process... and it usually involves quite a few deaths or mission failures. Nothing wrong with that... after all, practice makes perfect. I'm really good at dying now, a damn expert! So I've started to work on learning how to survive instead. *grins*
The Wiki is pretty much my constant companion, now. I've taken to looking up every quest/mission before I do it... to reading the notes and tips, to learning about the foes. Then I try to take what I've read and create my own approach... not a "gimmick" build, not a "trick" walkthrough... just learning about the strengths and weaknesses of the foe and trying to create a party of heroes/henchies around that based on what skills I have available to me.
Good example - I've seen a lot of builds revolving around using Searing Flames as an elementalist. It's a great spell, works well, minimal energy drain when coupled with Glowing Gaze, spammable... but the foes seem to scatter like mad even though I've read stuff saying it doesn't cause scatter. Sure seems to, to me. But Deep Freeze... that slows them down... it's a heavy energy cost (which I can afford) but I don't have to dump a single pip into water for it to do its magic, and it holds the foes in a group long enough that I can nail them hard with Searing Flames or another AoE. End result is that I'm having no problem with many areas that the Wiki is peppered with warnings about how difficult it is, how it can't be done with just H/H, etc.
Is it the best use of my skills as an elementalist? I don't know... a month from now, I may think the combination is worthless. For now, it's working really well for me... and no one told me how to do it, I came up with the idea, talked to my more experienced friend Missy about it, and gave it a shot.
You're obviously learning from your mistakes... isn't that how it's supposed to work?
aspi
The thing I learned from this weekend, do do shards of orr HM with a 100B warrior without some kind of blind removal. My war was pretty useless most of the time. Managed to kill fendi though :/
Lord Mip
Deep Freeze and scatter causing skills is generally a good combination yes. Coming from the mouth of a reasonably experienced player
However, Searing Flames shouldn't be causing scatter. Maybe you or your party members are using other skills that cause scatter? (Things like Searing Heat, Fire Storm, some of the henchmen have scatter AoE skills such as Herta with her Sandstorm)
Are you doing Normal Mode or Hard Mode by the way? Fire is generally not viable in HM.
However, Searing Flames shouldn't be causing scatter. Maybe you or your party members are using other skills that cause scatter? (Things like Searing Heat, Fire Storm, some of the henchmen have scatter AoE skills such as Herta with her Sandstorm)
Are you doing Normal Mode or Hard Mode by the way? Fire is generally not viable in HM.
Just Sai
what i learned today:
Electroadhesion is the term given to the electrostatic effect of astriction between two surfaces subjected to an electrical field
heres a couple of links to what i consider the greatest and most helpful information i have ever found outside the game itself
Running the Numbers
Mechanics and Stacking
re to the tc
i used to flank the wall scraping hard left all the way around then bail up the stairs actually running past the boss himself and stand at the top behind him, the ai wont kick in until he reaches the midflight stair platform.
jus forget th heros they are bait, once at the top apply PI ftw
you only have to kill one guy.
Electroadhesion is the term given to the electrostatic effect of astriction between two surfaces subjected to an electrical field
heres a couple of links to what i consider the greatest and most helpful information i have ever found outside the game itself
Running the Numbers
Mechanics and Stacking
re to the tc
i used to flank the wall scraping hard left all the way around then bail up the stairs actually running past the boss himself and stand at the top behind him, the ai wont kick in until he reaches the midflight stair platform.
jus forget th heros they are bait, once at the top apply PI ftw
you only have to kill one guy.
syronj
Thanks for the advice, everyone. I think the next character I take through that quest will have an easier time of it.
TheGizzy
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Originally Posted by Lord Mip
Deep Freeze and scatter causing skills is generally a good combination yes. Coming from the mouth of a reasonably experienced player
However, Searing Flames shouldn't be causing scatter. Maybe you or your party members are using other skills that cause scatter? (Things like Searing Heat, Fire Storm, some of the henchmen have scatter AoE skills such as Herta with her Sandstorm) Are you doing Normal Mode or Hard Mode by the way? Fire is generally not viable in HM. |
I usually do NM, though I've been doing more and more HM stuff - the WiK bounties, Zaishen stuff if it's in Prophecies or EotN (the only ones I've finished), etc.
Honestly, until about a month ago, I didn't even know "scatter" existed as a "cause/effect" kind of thing in GW. But I do like the fact that if I toss Deep Freeze on a group, it usually means I can get off a couple of more casts of Searing Flames before they separate enough that I'm not catching all or most of the group at the same time. I have a 40/40 fire set, so I'm getting in an extra cast here and there as well, and the Deep Freeze is buying me a little more time (and dealing a tiny bit of damage).
My learning process is ongoing...I could likely have something new to add to this thread every single day since I am constantly finding out something new or interesting about how the game works. LOL Thanks again! And sorry to the OP for the little hijack.
syronj
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My learning process is ongoing...I could likely have something new to add to this thread every single day since I am constantly finding out something new or interesting about how the game works. LOL Thanks again! And sorry to the OP for the little hijack.
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-Makai-
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I'm not sure how an earth elementalist has that, but it's confirmed by the wiki.
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What did I learn today? Brawling Headbutt immediately followed by Jagged Strike is stylish crazy action.
chessyang
What i learned.....
was you get in the Mausoleum during Halloween! Dang PvE lore.
was you get in the Mausoleum during Halloween! Dang PvE lore.
Kosar The Cruel
That I have no use for guilds.
ErrantVenture
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What I learned today:
That spreading Poison and counting cooldowns is more effective ranger play than camping a vital character in PvP. Counting cooldowns helps for those. |
legioncg
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Originally Posted by Kosar The Cruel
That I have no use for guilds.
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StormDragonZ
I learned that people still consider Spiteful Spirit to be the best Necromancer elite skill in the game.
jazilla
I learned that I have fun playing games that are new to me nowadays and that I will have fun once again in GW when new content comes out for it.
Kunder
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I learned that people still consider Spiteful Spirit to be the best Necromancer elite skill in the game.
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I mean, its debatable exactly which elite is the best, but its in the top 3 or so for any good player. Certainly the best of the curse elites, and curse is one of the strongest attributes in the game.
Del
Today I learned how amazing peanut butter snickers are.
A11Eur0
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It...is?
I mean, its debatable exactly which elite is the best, but its in the top 3 or so for any good player. Certainly the best of the curse elites, and curse is one of the strongest attributes in the game. |
Yeah I used to run SS almost exclusively, as it was my necro's first elite skill (for 55/ss farming back in the day), but I've moved on.
Spazzer
Today, I learned that there are actually players out there who will complain about people bringing prot with UA.
Really?
Really?
End
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It...is?
I mean, its debatable exactly which elite is the best, but its in the top 3 or so for any good player. Certainly the best of the curse elites, and curse is one of the strongest attributes in the game. |
The elites in it for the most part suck and Spiteful Spirit used solely to take up an elite slot on a curses bar as its better then the other curses elites.
If the Curses nerco isn't using his secondary I would almost rather have him go /mo and bring empathic...and do if there's enough hexes and conditions.
Oooo and just to knock it out of the top 3 I'll list a few of my fave elites atm that destroy SS:
Panic
Sos
Icy Veins (although some people dun like it I kinda does)
HB/UA(situation dependant)
Ether Renewal
AOTL
Psychic Instability (again another good one thats often times overlooked by its normally better counterpart Panic)
Earth Shaker (hell the animation makes it worth bringing)
Added:
Xinrae's Weapon
Spazzer
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Psychic Instability (again another good one thats often times overlooked by its normally better counterpart Panic)
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PI in the hands of two AIs makes Guild Wars literally disappear.
LordDragon
I learned that my previous 'most stupid thing you have ever done in GW' wasn't even close to what I found out I did today.
I actually did this about a 2 years ago. I was making a Rit and was doing just great with her. Then I put her away for about a year. When I pulled her out about a year ago I set her up as an SoS and have been having lots of fun.
When I went to do the z-mission (i got it the other day and just did not do it yet) for Augury Rock I noticed that something was wrong. I couldn't get my stats in the necro secondary that I was using to go high enough...
I am sure that most of you have figured out what I did, or DIDN'T do to be more precise. I had forgotten to do the 2 15 point attribute quests!
So I learned that you can always do something more boneheaded than you have ever done before even if you have; been there, done that and bought the t-shirt six times over.
I actually did this about a 2 years ago. I was making a Rit and was doing just great with her. Then I put her away for about a year. When I pulled her out about a year ago I set her up as an SoS and have been having lots of fun.
When I went to do the z-mission (i got it the other day and just did not do it yet) for Augury Rock I noticed that something was wrong. I couldn't get my stats in the necro secondary that I was using to go high enough...
I am sure that most of you have figured out what I did, or DIDN'T do to be more precise. I had forgotten to do the 2 15 point attribute quests!
So I learned that you can always do something more boneheaded than you have ever done before even if you have; been there, done that and bought the t-shirt six times over.
Kunder
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Curses is an amazing attribute...
The elites in it for the most part suck and Spiteful Spirit used solely to take up an elite slot on a curses bar as its better then the other curses elites. If the Curses nerco isn't using his secondary I would almost rather have him go /mo and bring empathic...and do if there's enough hexes and conditions. Oooo and just to knock it out of the top 3 I'll list a few of my fave elites atm that destroy SS: Panic Sos Icy Veins (although some people dun like it I kinda does) HB/UA(situation dependant) Ether Renewal AOTL Psychic Instability (again another good one thats often times overlooked by its normally better counterpart Panic) Earth Shaker (hell the animation makes it worth bringing) Added: Xinrae's Weapon |
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MoP is stronger and it isn't even an elite. It's not BAD, but it's not the best curse elite. I prefer FoC, especially since spiritway and the mesmer buff has made hexes on huge groups a virtual guarantee. 40/40 set and it's a huge armor-ignoring spike. I chose FoC during a pug Rragar's Hm run during the ZB, and it did more good than SS ever would have considering the presence of smite hex on the griffon fleshreavers.
Yeah I used to run SS almost exclusively, as it was my necro's first elite skill (for 55/ss farming back in the day), but I've moved on. |
EPO Bot
I have been playing my monk for thousands of hours, planning to stop playing GW when she got GWAMM. Now that i got there i keep making new toons only to get sick of them instantly and delete them two minutes later.
Not shure what THAT means.
Not shure what THAT means.
End
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Was talking about top 3 Necro elites. Of course, necromancers have never had amazing elite skills (barring OoU), its been the excellent set of non-elites and soul reaping that make them OP.
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AOTL
OoU (also good and I'd honestly rather run this if im a human over aotl)
Jagged Bones (honestly this and the 2 above it are all situational)
OoV if in a party with physicals
Your attempt at changing your argument in an attempt to be right still fails.
KingCrab
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Originally Posted by Tender Care
LOL just go for the boss and spike him.....
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Ka Tet
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Icy Veins(again while some people say it sucks it really is an amazing skill once you start yo use it)
AOTL OoU (also good and I'd honestly rather run this if im a human over aotl) Jagged Bones (honestly this and the 2 above it are all situational) OoV if in a party with physicals Your attempt at changing your argument in an attempt to be right still fails. |
As I was told while learning to play GW, "It's better this way, if they all die at the same time."
"Why?" I asked.
"Because it's [email protected] cool."
Corpus Vitalis
I've been changing things up with my necro lately and have taken a fancy to Virulence +YMLAD! for some instant conditions, then spike using assassin signets and Necrosis for big armor-ignoring spikes. Also, I had forgotten about IV, might take a hero with that and Putrid Bile. hmmm........
And today I learned that people still do get get banned when they didn't do anything.
And today I learned that people still do get get banned when they didn't do anything.
Xenomortis
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It...is?
I mean, its debatable exactly which elite is the best, but its in the top 3 or so for any good player. Certainly the best of the curse elites, and curse is one of the strongest attributes in the game. |
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Was talking about top 3 Necro elites. Of course, necromancers have never had amazing elite skills (barring OoU), its been the excellent set of non-elites and soul reaping that make them OP.
A conditional 120 damage nuke with only adjacent range and taking 20s recharge? Cmon, thats horrible by any standard. Obviously if the enemy group has heavy hex removal then SS isn't great, but that doesn't make crappy skills good. |
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Icy Veins(again while some people say it sucks it really is an amazing skill once you start yo use it)
AOTL OoU (also good and I'd honestly rather run this if im a human over aotl) Jagged Bones (honestly this and the 2 above it are all situational) OoV if in a party with physicals Your attempt at changing your argument in an attempt to be right still fails. |
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I've been changing things up with my necro lately and have taken a fancy to Virulence +YMLAD! for some instant conditions, then spike using assassin signets and Necrosis for big armor-ignoring spikes. Also, I had forgotten about IV, might take a hero with that and Putrid Bile. hmmm........
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Or just suck at PvE.
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Oooo and just to knock it out of the top 3 I'll list a few of my fave elites atm that destroy SS:
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I think that says a lot about SS really.
TheGuildWarsPenguin
I learned that the ZM and the ZB are both in the desert today.
Neat.
Neat.
StormDragonZ
I learned that many people with Elementalist Heroes tend to use a Fire Magic build with Searing Flames on every single hero. Even against Destroyers, people who indeed bring some kind of Elementalist Hero will bring Searing Flames. No Water, Earth or Air. Every hero uses Fire.
legioncg
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
I learned that many people with Elementalist Heroes tend to use a Fire Magic build with Searing Flames on every single hero. Even against Destroyers, people who indeed bring some kind of Elementalist Hero will bring Searing Flames. No Water, Earth or Air. Every hero uses Fire.
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I learned today that all of my drop luck has disappeared.
End
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Originally Posted by Xenomortis
That too many forum goers don't read the Necromancer forum before posting on a class they clearly don't quite get.
Or just suck at PvE. |
with all the quotes together its hard to tell who your saying dosen't know the class.
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I learned the other day...not to trust programmers even if you've been their friend for over a year they will still make a program to steal your account info (luckily they only got an alt)