"I'll play again when [blank]."

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

PvE skills meta is as stagnant as PvP. At least it is when you are a ranger, we get so few updates it's not funny.

Spike Stritter

Spike Stritter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/

I'll play again in a couple hours...

vader

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

I'll probably start playing more when 7 hero groups are available. Until then, I'll most likely just log in every week to collect Nick items.

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

I'll play again when I log-in later today.

Unlike a fair amount of people, I actually take my time to do things and don't immediately get it done the second it becomes available.

You know, taking my time to enjoy the GO RED ENGINE game.

Anyone who's bored with this game hasn't tried everything there is to do. After all, can anyone truly say it's possible to beat Hell's Precipice, with bonus, in HM with only 3 people?

I mean, people could solo Underworld, drop urns to complete Domain of Anguish and obliterate The Deep with an entire time of Elementalists, but what about the most bizarre ideas?

I, for one, can say I've successfully beaten Urgoz's Warren after 5 people left believing we could never beat it without two Monks and a SoS Ritualist.

That's the problem with most games now. No one tries to challenge themselves and figure "Hey, I beat the game. I guess that's it, then."

Bassma

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

I'll play again when I get bored of all the other free MMO's now like EQ2 and Anarchy Online and Lord of the Rings and Dungeons & Dragons and after those when I'm bored with Diablo III. Guild Wars is old and haggard now. It's a hasbeen and no longer young and curvy and bouncy.

X Dr Pepper X

X Dr Pepper X

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lemming View Post
I expect the Anet employees working with TK to have a higher degree of understanding than demonstrated about how the game works.
This thought jumps to my mind a lot when I think about developers and game production in general. The devs create the game and yet know so much less than what would have been expected from their knowledge base.

Hell, if they don't know about the game and want help, I'd be happy to do so. I'll send in pages of ideas for skill updates, game balance, and more.

Honestly, ANet should just make threads asking people for ideas and advice.

Also its hard to believe that the Derv update is still progressing and is underway... Huh....

Jumping Is Uselss

Jumping Is Uselss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

-... . .... .. -. -.. / -.-- --- ..-

I'll play again when I feel like playing.

Lortext

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X View Post
Hell, if they don't know about the game and want help, I'd be happy to do so. I'll send in pages of ideas for skill updates, game balance, and more.

Honestly, ANet should just make threads asking people for ideas and advice.
The only realistic way to help in this capacity is to apply as an ArenaNet designer. If you are up to the task then take a stab at doing design as a career.

Can you imagine trying to create or tune a game listening to a cacophony of forum feedback? Or trying to test pages worth of skill updates and trying to release those updates on time with little to no developer support? If you've got the chops, then go for it .

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

I'll play again when I get home from work!

Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal are all just about half done. Me and a pal farm for Nick once a week, and after I finish VQ'ing Tyria, I can start focusing on completing the EotN titles.

By the way Anet. About that VQ. Full hero parties please? I'm doing the 4/6 areas and Claude+Reyna do a decent job, but.... full hero parties please.

X Dr Pepper X

X Dr Pepper X

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lortext View Post
The only realistic way to help in this capacity is to apply as an ArenaNet designer. If you are up to the task then take a stab at doing design as a career.

Can you imagine trying to create or tune a game listening to a cacophony of forum feedback? Or trying to test pages worth of skill updates and trying to release those updates on time with little to no developer support? If you've got the chops, then go for it .
It isn't as hard as you'd think it is. Its just the scientific method applied.

The reason ANet can't do it themselves is because they don't understand the game because they don't play it at the appropriate skill level or play it at all.

The only people who can actually fix the game are the players themselves with the deepest most intricate level of knowledge of how the game operates.

ANet needs more surveys of the players at the very least imo.

Gennadios

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X View Post
The reason ANet can't do it themselves is because they don't understand the game because they don't play it at the appropriate skill level or play it at all.
Yeah... the people balancing our skills were the same people that believed Hamstorm was the future of GW PvP.

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X View Post
The only people who can actually fix the game are the players themselves with the deepest most intricate level of knowledge of how the game operates.

ANet needs more surveys of the players at the very least imo.
Isn't that kind of what the Live team is for?

Granted we hadn't seen much from them, but as far as my age ravaged memory stretches, they've only been around for 2(?) skill updates.

The only people that can fix this game are the 20 or 30 programmers that are currently working on GW2, whoever we have left can't really do much outside of the few hours of extra content and the skill updates twice a year.

Not that I'm complaining, I got close to 3k hours of fun out of this game. But as far as any kind of meaningful change or more active population goes, It's not happening.

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDragonZ View Post
I'll play again when I log-in later today.

Unlike a fair amount of people, I actually take my time to do things and don't immediately get it done the second it becomes available.

You know, taking my time to enjoy the GO RED ENGINE game.

Anyone who's bored with this game hasn't tried everything there is to do. After all, can anyone truly say it's possible to beat Hell's Precipice, with bonus, in HM with only 3 people?

I mean, people could solo Underworld, drop urns to complete Domain of Anguish and obliterate The Deep with an entire time of Elementalists, but what about the most bizarre ideas?

I, for one, can say I've successfully beaten Urgoz's Warren after 5 people left believing we could never beat it without two Monks and a SoS Ritualist.

That's the problem with most games now. No one tries to challenge themselves and figure "Hey, I beat the game. I guess that's it, then."
Like this post^^

Nothing beats random retarded shit in this game. We went on a SoO earlier today, wanting to do balanced, but I didn't wanna roll monk, wanted to do it on my ssin, and some other guy too, so I ran some retarded tank build with some holy damage, and the other guy ran A/Mo UA, first he was Life Barrier or something :P

Anyway, shits and giggles^^ Was hella fun

There is nothing that goes above
-"Dude, let's go do X"
*"What build we taking?"
-"Who cares?"

X Dr Pepper X

X Dr Pepper X

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gennadios View Post
Isn't that kind of what the Live team is for?
The live team is limited in their capabilities. I doubt they have enough influence and sway to do such things to their fullest extent. The live team, from what I hear, is deteriorating and ineffective as well.

Quote:
The only people that can fix this game are the 20 or 30 programmers that are currently working on GW2, whoever we have left can't really do much outside of the few hours of extra content and the skill updates twice a year.
They can't fix GW1. Only people who understand the game can do such a thing.

Hence why I believe that ANet needs to consult their playerbase for things like balance and ideas more.

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X View Post
Hence why I believe that ANet needs to consult their playerbase for things like balance and ideas more.
Wohow, prepare to be flamed my man..

I think that to a certain extent they should, but they would have to listen to the arguments. It's not because 90% screams NERF but based on no decent arguments, that they should do so..

They should listen a bit, and weigh down the pro's and con's and see what they will cause in the game..

Chasing Squirrels

Chasing Squirrels

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDog91 View Post
I'll play again when I have time to play.

Too busy trying not to fail out of college right now
This and i might as well make the most of my time and wait for the 7 hero updates so i can steamroll everything by rolling my face across the keyboard while studying

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine View Post
Wohow, prepare to be flamed my man..
Why would that be the case? Test Krewe was formed just for the purpose of having an official way of gathering feedback from the community.

Of course, what they do with that feedback (nothing) is a different story.

Quote:
Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X View Post
The reason ANet can't do it themselves is because they don't understand the game because they don't play it at the appropriate skill level or play it at all.

The only people who can actually fix the game are the players themselves with the deepest most intricate level of knowledge of how the game operates.
Pretty much.

X Dr Pepper X

X Dr Pepper X

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine View Post
Wohow, prepare to be flamed my man..

I think that to a certain extent they should, but they would have to listen to the arguments. It's not because 90% screams NERF but based on no decent arguments, that they should do so..

They should listen a bit, and weigh down the pro's and con's and see what they will cause in the game..
Obviously, you'd want the credibility of your players opinions to matter.

Like interviewing top level players and guilds opinions for GvG, HA, and PvP in general.

It is noticeably harder to gauge PvE players as there is no great and defining way to measure how credible they are especially when PvE is so easy as is the case.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

I play on monk for ZBs on a regular basis just to see how random people play. There's good PUGs and terrible PUG players (defy pain warriors and double dragon eles). Most monks don't bring any prots even if there's no imba or ST also.

I'll start playing with people again on my ele when eles get a HM update. Currently heroing Tyria HM because I never got around to doing it and all the people that I used to play with quit for other games or just because they finished their title grind to 30/50.

There's much doom and gloom here on guru that doesn't represent GW as well ingame. I played on my alternate (anonymous) account that nobody knows about and it's still pretty active at times. It just depends on whether you choose to say "lol nubs" to all the people that haven't grasped the game yet or try to help them be better.

Chasing Squirrels

Chasing Squirrels

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDragonZ View Post
I'll play again when I log-in later today.

Unlike a fair amount of people, I actually take my time to do things and don't immediately get it done the second it becomes available.

You know, taking my time to enjoy the GO RED ENGINE game.

Anyone who's bored with this game hasn't tried everything there is to do. After all, can anyone truly say it's possible to beat Hell's Precipice, with bonus, in HM with only 3 people?

I mean, people could solo Underworld, drop urns to complete Domain of Anguish and obliterate The Deep with an entire time of Elementalists, but what about the most bizarre ideas?

I, for one, can say I've successfully beaten Urgoz's Warren after 5 people left believing we could never beat it without two Monks and a SoS Ritualist.

That's the problem with most games now. No one tries to challenge themselves and figure "Hey, I beat the game. I guess that's it, then."
Why would people bother with such trivial things? If they are not getting awarded in any way such as a title then they will not bother.

StormDragonZ

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chasing Squirrels View Post
Why would people bother with such trivial things? If they are not getting awarded in any way such as a title then they will not bother.
You mean people play this game for the purpose of not, do I dare say, having fun? I think trivial things are the best way of differentiating a "pro" vs. a "noob".

Concise Description: Bragging rights. Isn't that what titles are besides putting into the Hall of Monuments?

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

I will say, though, that the idea of crippling your enemy and then forcing them to linger inside a deadly rain of fire...

Well... it seems like a good idea on paper!

shoyon456

shoyon456

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gennadios View Post
The only people that can fix this game are the 20 or 30 programmers that are currently working on GW2
Oh goodie, then we'll have attacks that do 400+ damage. Yeah, that's how GW's going to get balanced...from number inflation. Then again they may as well and just admit they gave up and/or suck at it.

PS: GW2's very existence is kinda an admission they gave up on balancing and maintenence of it anyways.

Gennadios

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by shoyon456 View Post
Oh goodie, then we'll have attacks that do 400+ damage. Yeah, that's how GW's going to get balanced...from number inflation. Then again they may as well and just admit they gave up and/or suck at it.

PS: GW2's very existence is kinda an admission they gave up on balancing and maintenence of it anyways.
I meant to say with that statement that it would take a large number of programmers to 'fix' GW in the way that alot of people want would take way more programmers than are available to the GW team.

Any discussions of the batshit stats and damage numbers that'll be flying around in GW2 are probably best left for the GW2Guru.

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

Festivals come, and friends make me.
Im not one of them people with this type of feeling towards the game.
Quote:
People still play Pong.
We need Devs to get to work on remaking Pong.
People love Pong.
We really need some Pong Updates.
To those people......

Lanier

Lanier

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2010

[Pink]

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Internetuser View Post
Sorry let me rephrase. When TopK drops more than 2 ectos in 5 hours
So I guess this means you're playing as we speak?

Don't exaggerate. I farmed enough ectos this past summer from the Topk to pay for everything for my obby armor set. I would farm 10 ectos a day, and it usually took me a few hours (3-4) to do so. The drop rates havnt changed since then.

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

Quote:
So I guess this means you're playing as we speak?
Don't exaggerate. I farmed enough ectos this past summer from the Topk to pay for everything for my obby armor set. I would farm 10 ectos a day, and it usually took me a few hours (3-4) to do so. The drop rates havnt changed since then.
Exactly, and what he is saying is it used to be amazingly better which it did.
I believe the major hit to TOPK happened way before "This Past Summer"

Aycee

Aycee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2010

The other side

"I'll play again when I get back home."

Chasing Squirrels

Chasing Squirrels

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by StormDragonZ View Post
You mean people play this game for the purpose of not, do I dare say, having fun? I think trivial things are the best way of differentiating a "pro" vs. a "noob".

Concise Description: Bragging rights. Isn't that what titles are besides putting into the Hall of Monuments?
How is this fun? What I was saying is people won't bother with the stuff you mentioned because they won't be rewarded. It is the reason why they have the HoM

Silmar Alech

Silmar Alech

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2009

Europe

Tom Son [TS]

E/

This seems to me like a trolling thread with only one message: "Arenanet, make some update to keep me entertained"

And no, I didn't heard anyone saying "I'll play again, when...". People I know who leave, leave silently. They simply don't show up any more. They don't need to explain anything - they have done in GW all they wanted do and moved on.

Roen

Roen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2010

GMT-5

[Nite]

R/

I played for about 90 minutes last night completing secondary/optional factions quests that have been in my quest log for ages. Seems like there's always something else to do in game.

Funny thing was I go into this chasm I've never ventured into before just outside Kaineng Center just to explore. Leads me into the EotN intro with Vekk and Ogden, dumps me into Boreal Station. This is where the story of EotN starts off from Factions. Even though I completed EotN, I'd never entered it through Factions, so that was new and kind of neat.

Prince Rogrs Nelson

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2010

Reign of Judgment (RoJ)

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chasing Squirrels View Post
What I was saying is people won't bother with the stuff you mentioned because they won't be rewarded.
Except people do, all the time. Record SC's, for instance. If you're saying "not a lot of people will do this," well, I'd respond that not a lot of people do any one thing in this game anymore. It's become a game of niches in pve.

khios

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2009

I'll play again when those damn exams are done! Or maybe later today... who knows

Aljasha

Aljasha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

This thread could have contained valuable information for the live team. Right now it does not.

Hyaon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

P/W

I'll play again when my heart's love returns..hah bet no one can say that!....

*wistful sigh*

Zebideedee

Zebideedee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2007

55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W

N/Me

.......7 Heroes, I've done all that I need for HoM, 7 heroes means I'll give DoA, FoW & UW a bash.

beatdownbob

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

hurr durr

hurr durr forums

I'll PvP again when there are Campaign specific arenas.
Core + Prophecies skill and characters arena would suit me just fine.

I'll PvE again when none of my Eve:Online war targets are online... about 1930 GMT for a guess.

AndrewSX

AndrewSX

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2010

Italy, Turin

Lake

E/

Quote:
I'll play again when those damn exams are done! Or maybe later today... who knows
Same problem here...

Bob_ftw

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2007

when DA returns.

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebideedee View Post
.......7 Heroes, I've done all that I need for HoM, 7 heroes means I'll give DoA, FoW & UW a bash.
Yet people manage to do it already, with their hands tied to their backs, blindfolded, and only using the tip of their erect penis to push a button.

Said otherwise, you do it wrong, find a nice guild, some people who know stuff about this game, make friends, and do it with them.

Phineas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

UK

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saru The Boss View Post
I'll play again when my main account gets unbanned.
This.

I'd played since 2005 and wracked up thousands of hours cos I was hooked. I was a PvE'er, with rare excursions into ABs, and had experienced completing everything in the PvE game except the titles. I saw the big bot awareness threads popping up around xmas 2009 and as a person with an I.T. background looked into it and found it a refreshing challenge to write bots.

ANet can even thank botting for me purchasing a second account (also banned).

I do miss not being able to visit the visually appealing areas of the game again, but when bot-writing is more fun that the game itself I know I'd overstayed my welcome.

The trouble is, if I was un-banned I would not want to play without my bots, so we'd best leave it at it that.