Winds of Change Rewards

Uriel_Wolfblood

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If there is already a thread on this I am sorry, I searched but only turned up people asking when it was supposed to start.

Anyways War in Kryta got me thinking about possible rewards for Winds of Change. Now while more weapons would be neat and all. I personally feel it is about time for them to put in Luxon and Kurzick armors for Dervs and Paragons. I mean they can spend hours battling for thier chosen side in AB, they can save Cantha from Shiro's wrath. They can subdue the Demi-Gods Urgoz and Kanaxai, and they can help in whatever is about to happen, but they don't get any campaign armor for their Hall to show for it.

It's time, besides I think there could be some awesome looking armor in it.

What do you guys think? Rits and Sins can get Nightfall armor (yes I know it's because of release dates, that's not the point here ) it's only fair for Paras and Dervs to get the same honor.

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The only "reward" I'd like to see is the ability to conduct business with any NPC in any town or outpost (not including the areas reserved for the alliance that owns the town) regardless of how much of either faction I have!

Nilator

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I like both of these ideas, armors for Para + Derv and not douchebag NPCs.

Personally, I would like to see a Luxon/Kurzick Merchant in the Guild Hall if your respective alliance owns a town.

Bright Star Shine

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There is no Assassin or Ritualist armor in Prophecies or Nightfall either, so
/notsigned

I'd like to see some new badass weapons, and most importantly, some mobs that are gonna woop my ass, cause haven't gotten too much challenges lately, cause tbh, WiK was a piss... I even did the missions HM on my ele without even trying my best, because at first I thought I got double rewards..

RedDog91

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There is no Assassin or Ritualist armor in Prophecies or Nightfall either
Really? I thought there was in NF

Uriel_Wolfblood

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There is no Assassin or Ritualist armor in Prophecies or Nightfall either, so
/notsigned

I'd like to see some new badass weapons, and most importantly, some mobs that are gonna woop my ass, cause haven't gotten too much challenges lately, cause tbh, WiK was a piss... I even did the missions HM on my ele without even trying my best, because at first I thought I got double rewards..
Yes there are Sin and Rit armors in Nightfall as Red Dog so kindly linked to. If there weren't I wouldn't have posted this idea in the first place . And none of the later classes have Prophecies armor unless you count FoW so that doesn't really matter.

I too wouldn't mind seeing some really cool weapons out of it as well, but I think it would get boring really fast doing all the extra GWB stuff just to get ANOTHER "end game" weapon you know? I do hope they include something like Royal gifts and random green drops for some cool Mini pets (you can never have to many minis ). Let's say open an Imperial Present for a chance to get a mini Togo anyone?

And I agree with the couple of posts above about the NPCs. So saving all of Cantha from Shiro's wrath isn't enough for you to let me sell to you, surely saving Cantha from whatever horrible disaster is befalling them in the near future should give me a reputation worthy of at least a little respect.

RedDog91

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Originally Posted by Uriel_Wolfblood View Post
And I agree with the couple of posts above about the NPCs. So saving all of Cantha from Shiro's wrath isn't enough for you to let me sell to you, surely saving Cantha from whatever horrible disaster is befalling them in the near future should give me a reputation worthy of at least a little respect.
Well, the there are quite a few luxon/kurzick NPCs that after you beat factions campaign say stuff along the lines of "Now that the threat of Shiro the Betrayer is no more, we can put our full attention back into the war effort!" So its pretty reasonable that they still only trade with players that align themselves with the faction.
And I'm pretty sure Winds of Change will primarily deal with the Imperial part of Cantha, not the luxons or kurzicks. This based purely on the fact that Kisu still needs a to father a descendant that later crushes the luxons and kurzicks.

Kosar The Cruel

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Would love to see some Luxon/Kurzick armor for Dervs. Another set for me to waste money on. I don't need more weapons. >.>
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Star_Jewel

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Factions armor for Paragons and Dervishes was suggested on the Wiki. Stumme said it likely won't happen this year, if at all, because of the amount of work that would go into it.

(Thanks to Riverside's Live Team News thread for tracking stuff among the horrible format of Wiki talk. )

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I would really NOT want to see new armors in winds of change as odds are they would be rushed and horribly done, or, just a reskin of old armors.


Weapons...I can get behind a bit more...there seems to be less involved in them...I would love some truly rare skins from this... and if/when they do the NF GW:B stuff...I would love to see another design-a-weapon contest. But, I am getting to far ahead.

Basically, weapons are what I would like to see. Not just end of the event (i.e. opressor weapons) but also maybe some new rare drops OS but gold not green (ie. wik greens which were cool but...green.) so somewhat customizable and variable reqs and stuff.

Voodoo Rage

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Anything but summoning stones

NerfHerder

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but, as has been stated in the atrocious format guildwiki talk, highly doubtful anytime soon.

Its more likely you can get a factions themed costume though!

Uriel_Wolfblood

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Yeah, I thought it would be more Imperial too, but one can dream . I'm more open to the idea of rare skins added as drops, that would be really cool. And as stated above I would much rather see a factions costume than a rushed/reskinned armor set.

Tommy's

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Ok so WoC will only benifit Dervish and Paragons then? Its not a solution. If only those 2 professions get a new armor, then all the others go cry that their rewards are so lousy, and if all professions get a new armor then the Derv and Paragon still have a set less. So imo, it doesn't solve anything. Besides isnt WoC more going to be about the Imperial parts (aka Kaieng?) or are we off to the kurzick and luxon parts aswell (the wind might suggest that, I must admit).

I'd rather have other rewards then another armor set for just 2 professions. I'd prefer more awesome (uninscripable!) canthan weapons. Or perhabs finish off the zodiac and celestial line (add focus, scythe spear etc). Perhabs a new mini.

So for me, /notsigned.

aspi

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Ayuhmii Shanbwa

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if it wont be this year, it may be next year then, and even if GW2 will be released, people will keep playing GW, so enough reason to do it... although they may need some of their "art budget" for GW2, but better later with good looks, than tomorrow with bad looks

i know Stumme will keep it in mind, as he said that on the wiki page, and we see changes cuz of him
(gosh, what would we do without him)

so yea, i'd like to see it, but i doubt it'll be anytime soon

ps. this is an old suggestion (not sure if it is on these forums), but still a good one

Bright Star Shine

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Sorry, I indeed spoke too soon, but it was like 3am when I posted that, so wasn't really thinking^^

But, I do think that the luxons and kurzicks will have to do with it, since in GW2, the emperor will have completely crushed the war between kurz and luxons, and Cantha was reunited, by a semi-dictator, but reunited nonetheless..

And, all other professions have enough armor as it is, the core professions have Proph armor, which others don't, Ssin and Rit have the extra NF armor I didn't think about before speaking up, so Derv and Para should get extra armors too, although Rit and ssin have exclusive armors in factions to sort of make up for the proph armors, but they are f*cking ugly anyway, so no one cares.

RedDog91

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But, I do think that the luxons and kurzicks will have to do with it, since in GW2, the emperor will have completely crushed the war between kurz and luxons, and Cantha was reunited, by a semi-dictator, but reunited nonetheless..
Unless we can time travel to the future, it won't be happening. Kisu's son is the one who will crush the Luxon's and Kurzicks, and these events won't happen for another 48 years.

1079 AE - The War in Kryta ends with the White Mantle's defeat; Queen Salma takes the throne and establishes the Seraph.
1127 AE - Emperor Usoku defeats the Kurzicks and the Luxons, unifies Cantha and begins purging non-humans and political enemies.

Lithril Ashwalker

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And, all other professions have enough armor as it is, the core professions have Proph armor, which others don't, Ssin and Rit have the extra NF armor I didn't think about before speaking up, so Derv and Para should get extra armors too, although Rit and ssin have exclusive armors in factions to sort of make up for the proph armors, but they are f*cking ugly anyway, so no one cares.
Sins and rits cannot get prophecies only armor(obby is core armor because u may still access uw+fow from the temple, dervs and paras cannot get factions armor. Proph chars can get all campaigns armor because the campaign itself is long... So they are rewarded other campaign armor if they got that far.

If anything why not have a costume/ celestial armor crafter (armor looks like the texture from celestial weapons and nit celestial beings) end of winds of change or a costume with a cloak of stars

Gill Halendt

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While they got a couple new sets, Rits and Assassins didn't get Primeval or Sunspear Armor in NF tough, and they also can't craft any form of basic armor in Elona. Sunspear Armor in particular is the equivalent of Kurzick/Luxon armor, so they were pretty much treated the same way.

Three reasons why this is /notsigned for me:

- I'm against selective rewards. I don't see why WoC should reward only two classes with new content, expecially since these are NF professions and WoC takes place in Cantha.
- It makes perfect sense for newer professions not being able to craft armor sets in campaigns prior their introduction, so I see little to no reason to address a non-existent issue.
- WoC will pave the way for the suppression of both factions, so, lore-wise, armor sets bound to the factions-war are rather out of place IMO.

MithranArkanere

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If they ever have time to add the 'missing' Luxon and Kurzick Elite armor for Dervish and Paragon, it shouldn't be a reward for doing anything.

It should just get directly added to the crafters.

Bright Star Shine

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Sins and rits cannot get prophecies only armor(obby is core armor because u may still access uw+fow from the temple, dervs and paras cannot get factions armor. Proph chars can get all campaigns armor because the campaign itself is long... So they are rewarded other campaign armor if they got that far.
Euh, yes, isn't that what I said? Or didn't I make myself clear again? I know Ssins and Rits don't have proph only armor, that's why they have exotic and stuffs in Factions, what others don't have.

New armor would be nice, but, please, no more friggin costumes, I'm not gonna buy em anyway..

The star cloak thingy is a neat idea too..

And, about the emperor thingy with jumping in time, isn't the entire GWB stuff supposed to be the leap to GW2? So couldn't it be that we actually leap 48 years into the future and have to help crush the resistance? Which sounds pretty dull but ok..

I hope the last GWB thing is gonna be the awakening of the first dragon^^ Since GW2 will take off far beyond that..

RedDog91

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And, about the emperor thingy with jumping in time, isn't the entire GWB stuff supposed to be the leap to GW2? So couldn't it be that we actually leap 48 years into the future and have to help crush the resistance? Which sounds pretty dull but ok..

I hope the last GWB thing is gonna be the awakening of the first dragon^^ Since GW2 will take off far beyond that..
GW:Beyond fills holes in the lore between the two timelines. It's not very likely that some NPC will miraculously invent a time machine that allows us to fight along side our descendants in future events.

And you're ideas conflict each other.
The first dragon to awake does so in 1120 AE (41 years from presrnt in-game time) while Emperor Usoku doesn't crush the Luxons and Kurzicks until 1127 AE.

Thistle Xandra

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...Let's say open an Imperial Present for a chance to get a mini Togo anyone?...

OMG, I really, really want this now! Why'd you have to put the thought in my head T_T

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I would be all about a mini Togo, Kisu, and the twins! One mini pet= the twins that Mhenlo was friends with that Cynn got mad about. Someone else can post their names. I am too lazy this morning.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
While they got a couple new sets, Rits and Assassins didn't get Primeval or Sunspear Armor in NF tough, and they also can't craft any form of basic armor in Elona. Sunspear Armor in particular is the equivalent of Kurzick/Luxon armor, so they were pretty much treated the same way.
Except Sunspear and Primeval aren't required in the HoM, Luxon/Kurzick are.

Uriel_Wolfblood

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Ok I see the argument in it rewarding only two classes. So maybe not make the armors a reward but rather just thrown into the game with the WoC update or something. But again like said many times before this is just a dream rather than something that will really happen (at least any time soon).

The gold Canthan weapons idea is still cool. But personally I'm all about the minis. And a Mini Kisu and the twins (Eimei and Jamie or something like that?) would be REALLY cool as one mini pet.

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OMG, I really, really want this now! Why'd you have to put the thought in my head T_T
Sorry it's been on my mind for a while now. At least now I have someone to suffer with me.

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Except Sunspear and Primeval aren't required in the HoM, Luxon/Kurzick are.
And this is the primary reason I brought it up. It doesn't seem fair that people who have a primary character as a Paragon or Dervish can't get all the armor points on that specific character (I know it's account based, but the point still stands, every other class can max out the armor statue on one character.)

Lithril Ashwalker

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sins got ancient armor in the sulfur wastes as well as rits

Bright Star Shine

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GW:Beyond fills holes in the lore between the two timelines. It's not very likely that some NPC will miraculously invent a time machine that allows us to fight along side our descendants in future events.

And you're ideas conflict each other.
The first dragon to awake does so in 1120 AE (41 years from presrnt in-game time) while Emperor Usoku doesn't crush the Luxons and Kurzicks until 1127 AE.
Dude, it was just a suggestion, I seriously do not know all the lore by heart to know all this stuff..

Indeed, it wouldn't make sense that we leaped ~50 years into time, but it would fill it up, won't it? We'd be living towards GW2, covering the 250 missing years, although we'd need a time machine.. And we should be aging, which won't happen.

RedDog91

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Indeed, it wouldn't make sense that we leaped ~50 years into time, but it would fill it up, won't it? We'd be living towards GW2, covering the 250 missing years
We will be playing some role that doesn't exist on the known event timeline, something that will fit in maybe a year after War in Kryta (probably less). Pretty much 240 of the 250 year gap won't be covered.

Anshuri

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And this is the primary reason I brought it up. It doesn't seem fair that people who have a primary character as a Paragon or Dervish can't get all the armor points on that specific character (I know it's account based, but the point still stands, every other class can max out the armor statue on one character.)
Because it takes such insane amounts of time and effort to make a new char in faction (or a non NF only char) and run it far enough in factions to get the armor..

Beside, the majority of players today have more than 1 char who have finished a lot of stuff, or at least progressed enough in most campaigns to not req much effort to finish it.

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Because it takes such insane amounts of time and effort to make a new char in faction (or a non NF only char) and run it far enough in factions to get the armor..

Beside, the majority of players today have more than 1 char who have finished a lot of stuff, or at least progressed enough in most campaigns to not req much effort to finish it.
Why should you have to do that though? Only seems fair that you can complete the HoM on every character if you have bought every campaign.

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Why should you have to do that though? Only seems fair that you can complete the HoM on every character if you have bought every campaign.
Why would you need to complete HoM on every char when you only get credit for the things you dedicate once? As a paragon or dervish you can still have a "full" HoM since i believe its 5 elite armors you need to have for it to count as a "full display". That's 5 random armor styles, there's no requierments to which styles you need to have as long as they're elites and not the "Deldrimor" elite armor.

Gill Halendt

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Why would you need to complete HoM on every char when you only get credit for the things you dedicate once? As a paragon or dervish you can still have a "full" HoM since i believe its 5 elite armors you need to have for it to count as a "full display". That's 5 random armor styles, there's no requierments to which styles you need to have as long as they're elites and not the "Deldrimor" elite armor.
The HoM calculator tough awards one point for Kurzick/Luxon armor. You can't get that point with a Dervish or a Paragon. Any profession should be able to get all the points available with no restriction.

Still, this is more of a problem with the Calculator and the ill-fated decision of giving Kurzick/Luxon armor that special importance. IMO, that's what they need to fix: give one point for Kurzick/Luxon Armor OR Sunspear Armor, problem solved. Doubt they'll do it, and, quite frankly, it's not what I'd call a pressing issue, playing multiple characters is pretty much the norm nowadays...

Sorry, time goes one way only. I don't care if people think it's unfair that Sins and Rits got stuff in Nightfall while nothing happened the other way round, Sins and Rits DO have some presence in Nightfall as well (in the form of enemies, NPCs, heroes) while Dervishes and Paragons are not covered in any way by the Faction campaign. Lore-wise, it doesn't make any sense for Kurzicks/Luxons to craft armor sets uncovered professions.

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The HoM calculator tough awards one point for Kurzick/Luxon armor. You can't get that point with a Dervish or a Paragon. Any profession should be able to get all the points available with no restriction.

Still, this is more of a problem with the Calculator and the ill-fated decision of giving Kurzick/Luxon armor that special importance. IMO, that's what they need to fix: give one point for Kurzick/Luxon Armor OR Sunspear Armor, problem solved. Doubt they'll do it, and, quite frankly, it's not what I'd call a pressing issue, playing multiple characters is pretty much the norm nowadays...
That's my point. Since most ppl play on multiple charachers nowadays, and since it take so little time to lvl up a new char, especially in factions, i dont see it as a big problem that luxon/kurzick dont have armor for paragons/rits.

Im greatful that they actually value lore enough to not give in to ppl who want everything to be spot on equal and complain as soon as they have to work just a lil tiny bit harder to get something than someone else depending on what profession they chose.
(Not pointing fingers here, just saying)

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt View Post
- It makes perfect sense for newer professions not being able to craft armor sets in campaigns prior their introduction, so I see little to no reason to address a non-existent issue.
- WoC will pave the way for the suppression of both factions, so, lore-wise, armor sets bound to the factions-war are rather out of place IMO.
- Atcually, it did with the original model. Less now that we do know for sure there will be no more campaigns. Then again, is the effort worth it? Don't think so. Can an alt supply armor for the HoM? I know it is account-wide, but is it just the highest char?

-Indeed. /notsigned

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Sorry, time goes one way only. I don't care if people think it's unfair that Sins and Rits got stuff in Nightfall while nothing happened the other way round, Sins and Rits DO have some presence in Nightfall as well (in the form of enemies, NPCs, heroes) while Dervishes and Paragons are not covered in any way by the Faction campaign. Lore-wise, it doesn't make any sense for Kurzicks/Luxons to craft armor sets uncovered professions.
There are dervishes, paragons, assassins and Ritualists in Proph too... WiK? So, they should get armor in there?

RedDog91

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There are dervishes, paragons, assassins and Ritualists in Proph too... WiK? So, they should get armor in there?
to be fair, WiK is its own story.
and the paragons and dervishes get rewarded with weapons in WiK, along with every other profession.

Gill Halendt

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There are dervishes, paragons, assassins and Ritualists in Proph too... WiK? So, they should get armor in there?
That's my point.

They didn't get one with WiK - and that's fine, as I said I'm against selective rewards - so why should they get one now?

Bright Star Shine

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Think I'm gonna step out of this, 'cause I quite honestly don't care.

But you guys do have a point that it is unfair towards Dervs and Para's that they can't get a full HoM because of the kurz/lux thing.

All I want is badass weapons and some badass mobs, kthx^^