My computer fan makes loads of noise when you turn it on, I was told this could be one of 3 things, the power supply, the case fan or the psu fan, I’ve recently bought a new Thermaltake Black Widow 850W power supply because I was told I would need a new psu in order for my new graphics card to work efficiently, however this has not fixed the problem, I’ve discovered the problem is the fan directly above my processor, now I have no idea how to replace this or what is required for me to do so, I’ve read guides of a thermal paste will be needed and people saying that if I take this off I could damage my processor and that I do not want to do!!
So my questions are as follows:
Is it hard to firstly remove the old psu fan and replace it with a new fan?
What are the costs of these things and could someone recommend me any specifics for a household/gaming pc nothing high-end just casual use.
Could you also tell me if I need to buy anything else such as the paste I read about somewhere or is that not needed?
Thanks for your help guys, I know it’s a bit wordy just wanted to explain myself!
Btw my pc is defragged, free of viruses, cleaned of all dust, and the hard drive is not full, I also ran a registry fixer too.
Computer fan help
VaMpIrE|OrD
Roen
It's not hard to replace CPU heat sinks but it could be complicated removing a fan from one and replacing it with another fan. I recommend just getting a whole new heat sink and fan combo together. Yes, you can damage your CPU but just be careful. It's not really that hard.
Yes, get the paste. Here is one of the best thermal pastes you use between the CPU and the heatsink/fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100007
To figure out which fan is best, I recommend you go here:
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...Fans-Heatsinks
And search for heat sinks that work with your particular CPU. Don't forget to read the user comments. Search for ones that are quiet.
Good luck
Yes, get the paste. Here is one of the best thermal pastes you use between the CPU and the heatsink/fan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100007
To figure out which fan is best, I recommend you go here:
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...Fans-Heatsinks
And search for heat sinks that work with your particular CPU. Don't forget to read the user comments. Search for ones that are quiet.
Good luck
Elder III
What Processor do you have? I also recommend replacing the entire heatsink/fan and not just the fan. The price difference is negligible and it will be easier for you to replace the entire unit.
VaMpIrE|OrD
Ah the combined replacement sounds like a much better and safer option thanks guys, also i have the crappy one that came with the comp: Intel(R) Core (TM)2 CPU 6300 @1.86 ghz
Edit: Could somone link me to a product ora brand in particular if any that works best with this cpu?
Edit: Could somone link me to a product ora brand in particular if any that works best with this cpu?
Roen
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Ah the combined replacement sounds like a much better and safer option thanks guys, also i have the crappy one that came with the comp: Intel(R) Core (TM)2 CPU 6300 @1.86 ghz
Edit: Could somone link me to a product ora brand in particular if any that works best with this cpu? |
Also, is this a custom built "white box" computer? Many cooling devices are very large and may not fit in your case. It's not as simple as just saying, "here use this one" because they're very particular with fit, etc.
It's best to look at your motherboard and specific model of CPU and specific case you're using and search for heat-sink/fan units that are well reviewed.
Zalman typically makes good units. I think I have a Thermaltake unit on my PC that works well. Those are typically good brands. You just have to find one that works with your system.
VaMpIrE|OrD
I just right clicked computer and then typed out what it said there, also my comp is a Packard Bell one its a imedia pc but not sure of the number, though this one i googled has the same case imedia 1559, but thanks will do some reading up on sizes and stuff
Quaker
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2. You may need to buy a heatsink + fan in order to get the fan you want, but you may still be able to simply swap the fan without removing the old heatsink.
3. You may need to buy a new heatsink and fan because the old fans not removable or new one isn't available. Make sure to get a new one that fits your CPU and case. Just a simple ordinary cheap HS+F will do. There is a bit more work involved with replacing the entire HSF, so, if you're not comfortable about doing it yourself, get the dealer, or a techie friend to do it for you.
In most cases, the HSF will come with the required "paste", either i a small tube, or already spread on the bottom of the heatsink.
Showtime
My stock intel fan was too loud so I cut the plastic that held the fans in and replaced it with slightly larger and quiet 80mm fan. The only reason I did this is it was cheap fast and easy. No need to replace the heatsink if it worked fine b4. Just clean the dust off it. I have a nice heatsink with heatpipes, but those screw connectors for the intels suck. I'm assuming your HP is using a stock intel fan and heatsink, but even if it's different, just order a quiet 80 or 90 mm fan. Panaflo, yate loom, etc all make decent fans. Be sure that it pushes a similar amount of air by checking the specs on a stock one and the one you want to buy.
How I did it was simple. I cut the fan off at the plastic points closest to the fan it self. This left me with 4 L shaped plastic arms that just fit my fan. I could have then used glue or ties to make it more permanent, but it was snug and I don't move the computer around so it won't pop out. I now notice my corsair powersupply fan more than my cpu fan and it works as well as stock did.
Hope it helps.
EDIT: Get a 3 wire fan if you want to monitor fan rpms. Check the connectors to make sure its a standard mobo fan power connector.
How I did it was simple. I cut the fan off at the plastic points closest to the fan it self. This left me with 4 L shaped plastic arms that just fit my fan. I could have then used glue or ties to make it more permanent, but it was snug and I don't move the computer around so it won't pop out. I now notice my corsair powersupply fan more than my cpu fan and it works as well as stock did.
Hope it helps.
EDIT: Get a 3 wire fan if you want to monitor fan rpms. Check the connectors to make sure its a standard mobo fan power connector.
VaMpIrE|OrD
Im looking at some products online and i have found a akasa one that has quite good reviews and is quite cheap, however it says its compatible with socket 1156 intel core duo processors, how am i supposed to find out what socket it is, ive looked around the motherboard none of the stickers state a socket number?
bsoltan
As mentioned earlier the Core 2 E6300 is LGA775 socket. It is quite an old socket but you should be able to find some coolers around as it was a popular platform.
If you are going to buy a new cooler remember what Roen said in his post:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...06&postcount=5
If you are going to buy a new cooler remember what Roen said in his post:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...06&postcount=5
VaMpIrE|OrD
Ok last question, sorry for the long thread but i think its almost over, ive found one that says its Very Quiet - 19-23 dB/A which seems like what i want, it is also for my specific socket, however the item states it comes with some thermal paste, should i use that or will it be more benificial if i also purcahsed the Artic Silver paste purchased in the thread earlier? How much difference can the paste make?
Thanks for all the help guys, really do appreciate it.
Edit: thank you so much for all your help guys, especially Roen ive followed most of your advice! Thread can be closed now i think im ok!
Thanks for all the help guys, really do appreciate it.
Edit: thank you so much for all your help guys, especially Roen ive followed most of your advice! Thread can be closed now i think im ok!
Roen
The Arctic Silver is better, but it really depends on how hard you're pushing the machine. Are you overclocking? Probably not since you said earlier you're using a stock heatsink/fan unit. You're fine with the included paste. Save your $10.
Elder III
Many heatsinks come with the thermal paste pre-applied, in which case you won't have to mess with it and between your peace of mind and the time saved, that is easily the best route in this case. 
Showtime
Depends on the paste they supply. Arctic silver is good for a few degrees over most generic pastes when applied properly. There are also a few other pastes that work as good or better.
To tell you the truth if you are not overclocking and your system was fine with the stock cooler, you dont need to drop another $5 on paste.
Either way, use a thin layer that completely covers the top of the cpu. People spread it with old credit cards etc. I use a thin plastic bag pulled tight around my finger. Rub in a very thin layer, wipe off excess. Mount cooler. Monitor temps while idle and under stress of gaming and multitasking. As the paste bonds the cpu and cooler temps should drop over a few weeks of use and settle there. Then just keep fan and cooler clean and you shouldnt have to mess with again.
To tell you the truth if you are not overclocking and your system was fine with the stock cooler, you dont need to drop another $5 on paste.
Either way, use a thin layer that completely covers the top of the cpu. People spread it with old credit cards etc. I use a thin plastic bag pulled tight around my finger. Rub in a very thin layer, wipe off excess. Mount cooler. Monitor temps while idle and under stress of gaming and multitasking. As the paste bonds the cpu and cooler temps should drop over a few weeks of use and settle there. Then just keep fan and cooler clean and you shouldnt have to mess with again.
Rushin Roulette
As others have not mentioned this yet and you seem relatively new to building / modifying PCs. Watch out when removing the old Fan/heatsink. Some Pre built computers do not use standard Heat paste which only gets slightly sticky over time, but they literaly GLUE the cooler to the CPU.
Do not try to force the cooler off after opening the holding brackets. If you notice you can not budge the Fan once the brackets are open. Close teh brackets again, switch on the PC and let it run for about 5 Minutes to heat up the CPU. Once it is warm, turn off the PC and disconnect the Power cable and try again. The heat should make the Glue a bit easier to shift if you are carefull.
I learnt this the hard way by ruining the CPU and the Motherboard of my last Pre-built PC years ago
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Do not try to force the cooler off after opening the holding brackets. If you notice you can not budge the Fan once the brackets are open. Close teh brackets again, switch on the PC and let it run for about 5 Minutes to heat up the CPU. Once it is warm, turn off the PC and disconnect the Power cable and try again. The heat should make the Glue a bit easier to shift if you are carefull.
I learnt this the hard way by ruining the CPU and the Motherboard of my last Pre-built PC years ago
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VaMpIrE|OrD
Ok im not sure what has gone wrong here but for some reason the heatsink i recieved has 4 push clips that you twist in to place, however the heatsink i removed has 4 screws that were previously screwed into place, is there any way to use the push clips on the board or do i have to purchase a new heatsink? I dont understand the heatsink says its compatible...
bsoltan
Does your motherboard have a backplate on it that the screws screwed into?
You may have to remove this so that you can just put the pushpins in.
Do the pins lineup to the holes in the motherboard?
You may have to remove this so that you can just put the pushpins in.
Do the pins lineup to the holes in the motherboard?
VaMpIrE|OrD
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Does your motherboard have a backplate on it that the screws screwed into?
You may have to remove this so that you can just put the pushpins in. Do the pins lineup to the holes in the motherboard? |
And the pins do line up they all seem the same size, and whats annyoing me most is everywhere i am looking it says all intel stock pc's have push pins and not screws, mine is a unmodified one so why is mine any different!!
Edit: if you need pics i can provide though i will have to use my crappy iphone camera!
Snograt
They're supposed to be slightly bigger. Unlike most computer-related items, they're applied by brute force and ignorance. Push the buggers in there.
(I hate the damn things, by the way.)
(I hate the damn things, by the way.)
Showtime
This is why you check to see if your computer uses stock oem intel coooler. Google your computer to see what people use. If the holes are spaced right (sounds like they are), there are coolers that use bolts and nuts to mount to mobo.
OR read my post and just swap out fans.
OR read my post and just swap out fans.
VaMpIrE|OrD
ok well i pushed them in a i re plugged everything in to my computer and now it wont turn on, i dont get a power light or anything and i dont have any way of checking if poweris going to the unit or if somthing is wrong with the mother board any advice?
i think somthing must have messed up with the board and ill need a new one is there any way of testing what part messed up?
funniest thing is i was looking forward to 9 rings for ages and now i have no comp for the weekend yay me....
i think somthing must have messed up with the board and ill need a new one is there any way of testing what part messed up?
funniest thing is i was looking forward to 9 rings for ages and now i have no comp for the weekend yay me....
bsoltan
Did you plug all the cables back in?
When you removed the old heatsink did you clean the processor for thermal paste and get everything off?
Did the new heatsink have paste on it and is it securely fitted?
Did you connect the cable from the new fan to the CPU header on the motherboard?
Also the reason your original heatsink was different to the 'stock Intel Heatsink' (which does use pins) is because your computer is a pre-built Packard Bell which probably comes with a lot of proprietary hardware in it which isn't really supposed to be modified.
When you removed the old heatsink did you clean the processor for thermal paste and get everything off?
Did the new heatsink have paste on it and is it securely fitted?
Did you connect the cable from the new fan to the CPU header on the motherboard?
Also the reason your original heatsink was different to the 'stock Intel Heatsink' (which does use pins) is because your computer is a pre-built Packard Bell which probably comes with a lot of proprietary hardware in it which isn't really supposed to be modified.
Armageddon
make sure the cpu cooler fan is plugged into the correct fan header on the motherboard, it should be labeled 'cpu fan' or something similar
also make sure you put the power switch cable back onto the correct pins, they should be labeled 'pwr sw'
also make sure you put the power switch cable back onto the correct pins, they should be labeled 'pwr sw'
VaMpIrE|OrD
Thanks guys, my power switch cable was in the wrong bit ( i was following a picture and it looked correct)
Now its working fine core temp seems to be lower which is a bonus, however the computer feels slower than normal is that normal? I dont think it is because nothing should have changed but somthing feels different it keeps hanging in different places is this somthing i should worry about?
Now its working fine core temp seems to be lower which is a bonus, however the computer feels slower than normal is that normal? I dont think it is because nothing should have changed but somthing feels different it keeps hanging in different places is this somthing i should worry about?
Showtime
its overheating most likely. the cooler/cpu had paste on it. if it's hard or like putty or a pad, you have to scrap it all off. then use alcohol and clean it really well. then apply a thin layer of paste. what paste is supposed to do is fill in all the cracks and uneven surfaces to provide a better connection. some pastes are mixed with glues and actually hold the cooler on (usually passive coolers). this should fix it. if this doesn't work well, run the computer with the door off until you can find a new cooler. otherparts could be overheating too. your graphics card should be cleaned of dust and anything else with a cooler on it. years ago my northbridge chipset overheated. that was a pita to fix.
VaMpIrE|OrD
Ah ok thank, its running better now, thanks for your help everyone.
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