+10vDemons

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

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Ok, this is gonna be a weird thread, and I actually just want some people to help me out with this..

I got this funky theory from chestrunning a while.

We all know the +10vDemons hype, because new people are starting to tank in DoA and they all want a purdy shield with +10vDemons -2wE, but these are a bitch to find, especially since Volo currently owns about 1/4 of all of those shields in game.. But it's because of Volo that this theory started to look more and more appealing to me. Volo has a bunch of shields, but he once told me that the Celestial variants are very easy to find, in fact he owned a req something before, and then he bought a q8 one, just because, well q8 is way cooler But this implied that celestial variants of the shields drop a lot more than others.. This isn't my theory, but it has to do with it..

I've been running vermin a lot lately, and with lately, I mean, I started last friday, and I did ~500 chests so far. Out of these 500 chests I got the following:


In fact, there is a picture missing: I merched a q9 str +9vDemons singlemod celestial shield last night, so that adds up to 5 specimens.

5 examples in 500 chests? Either this is the biggest coincidence I have ever seen in GW, or these chests at the vermin have a high probability to drop +10vDemons stuff..

Why post it on here, and not in chestrunner thread? Well, don't wanna highjack it with some funky theory of mine..

Why post it at all? Well, if anyone else is working on their chestrunner title, and wants to do something different once in a while, or someone is just interested in this as well, it'd be cool if other people would do this chestrun to see if I'm completely seeing things or that it could actually be that that chest has a higher concentration of these drops.

Also Yawg, it's be appreciated if you could explain to me why my theory makes no sense at all (Or that it does )

The build I use is this one: OwJSg5PTTQ/a0k6M3lHQIQ4O and I use full Saboteur's armor with a +10vSlashing shield, trust me, you'll need it, with 25 vermin slashing you in HM, you'll be happy to have the armor and stuff. Also, a golden tip: never aggro the boss without having SF up, Seeping Wound will kill you, I've survived Seeping a couple times, but don't hope for it, I was lucky

God Amongst Many Mortals

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2011

WHAT

Rt/A

Hmmm it seems you havent compared your results with others but it may well be true that celestials are most likely to be modded with +10vs demons. try chest farming somwhere else. Or farm similar types of things eg. Lux assasin fac-Boreas seabed. but you may be onto somthing. Not sure what the MODs go for but they seem rare so I would keep em and see how it goes! Good Luck and I would like to see the final result!

GwamM

Also If any1 knows where I can get a signature greatly helpfull!

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

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Actually, yes I have, I've run chests all over cantha, including: Pongmei Valley, Silent Surf, Rhea's Crater, Bukdek Byway, Melandru's Hope, Xaquang Skyway, Nahpui Quarter (Mission) and the only place I got a +10vDemons, every, at over 3000 chests, is in Xaquang.. Although I haven't run a lot in Nahpui itself, because that's an even tougher chestrun, and yields less chests than Xaquang..

Reformed

Reformed

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2009

It means absolutely nothing, try running a few thousand in various areas and you'll see there are a wide range of +AR vs. species that come as drops. Ask anyone who has farmed Dragon Moss for an extended period in fact.

God Amongst Many Mortals

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2011

WHAT

Rt/A

Might be true but it might not....what does a +10vs Demons go for?

Lithril Ashwalker

Lithril Ashwalker

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2008

Alabama

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hell dont know why your doing vermin famr. Mantid famring in Wajuun Bazaar is far faster. easier too. ill post link for build and vid.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:A/R_S...on_Mantid_Farm
posted it a while ago, people seem to really like it so...try it, i myself have to post some relevance to this thread. so here goes: celestial weapons DO indeed have higher drop rates of demon vs mods
as well as it being in canthan ...canthan drops more demonslaying and armor vs species than any other campaign.

DigitalFear

DigitalFear

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2009

My mother's basement.

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Luck/coincidence. Mod generation is completely random.

Chrisworld

Chrisworld

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

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The only thing that would make it more interesting is if you did a little more logging. What I mean by this, is, if you literally wrote down/typed in on a spread sheet, the stuff you got from each run. And then see if there is a pattern to when these items drop from the chests. Then you could get a little research going on. Otherwise, as stated above, drops and mods are totally random.

I could probably go into the game right now after a long break and get a perfect +10 demon, 16 AR q9 shield in one or two runs, then again you never know. It's random as far as we know right now.

The Mountain

The Mountain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Realm of the GWAMMs

Teh Academy [PhD]

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I found the same, too, from chest-running for celestial items (although I do it in the Temple). The only +10 vs species celestials I found were demons, dragons, and ogres (maybe a plant or two, I don't recall).

Not only do I support the theory that these +10 vs mods apply more to items in some areas, but I had accepted as fact after being overwhelmed by pruning items in the Kurz forest back in the day (and, yes, I know other mods drop there...just stating my observation on the majorities).

I know this does not come close to proof, but I've run 16000+ chests, and have no reason to lie...just sharing my experiences.

Gutemuh

Gutemuh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Why are there so much celestial shields with +10 vs demons?

Celestial-Items are heavily farmed.
Just watch the droppool while you are at it. In the celestial-pool there are no armour pieces (like f.ex. with the luxon-assasins). So if you farm 100 goldies you sometimes get up to 10 celestial-shields + some normal cantha global-shields.

More options=more hits, just a matter of probability.

It is the same with the other drops (focus etc.). In most farm- and chestrun-areas there are armour pieces in the droppool, which makes +10 vs anything more rare. I once heard that for a "+10 vs anything" to drop, the spiecies needs to be in the area, not sure about that one.

Muh

Volo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

WTS +10vs Demon duo-modded Shields

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i have had a ceremonial cauldrom +10vs demon once from melandru hope...merched it beside that...dont think i got any other if not i merched them too

gw_poster

gw_poster

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

so cal

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just for sh*ts and giggles, I ran about 20 times through Xanquai (sp?) Skyway last night to test (an infintesimally small sample) this...of course I didnt' get one, but what I did notice was that for the first 5 runs a chest always appeared in sight as soon as I got to the first ramp (the chest is near the stairs in the corner), and a second chest past the bridge in the tight alleyway, then one more near the brotherhood across the other way (where they pretty much work me over pretty quickly, lol)...point is, the more runs I did the less times more than one chest would spawn, and it got to the point that by the last (20th) run, the only chest to spawn would be in a really crappy spot in the corner where you have to run over the bridge and around the tight alley and into a huge mob to get to it (including razortongue), easy enough to survive, just more time consuming for a 1 chest run

just horrible luck with spawns, or is there some kind of anti-chest running code in the more commonly ran areas?

LordScro

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ethereal Guard

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had a +10vs demons offhand drop from a chest in Morostav Trail today

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

This is hard to confirm from chestruns, but it wouldn't surprise me if these mods are coded to drop according to the species they dropped from. (and therefore have nothing to do with item type) And chests always pick some "nearby" mob as their base for spawning. If such a limitation is in effect I would expect mobs to *always* drop their own armor type as opposed to a mere increased possibility. That would be relatively easy to test from mobs, doing it with chests is murkier, but this particular chest might near always (or always) pick vermin thanks to its location.

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

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Well, to answer the chestrun experience from the one fellow there, every single vermin mob in itself can be the source of a chest spawn, that makes up for 13 possible spawns, and up to 3 can spawn at once. I've also had 0 spawn, but usually, it's 1 or 2. I don't do the run because the chest-time ratio is good, if I wanted that, I'd be doing Silent Surf, I do the runs because I want cool items, and that's what they drop, and also, they don't drop retarded armor like 90% of every Plagueborn related chest.

Also, I am perfectly aware that mods are randomly generated, but it just strikes me how many of them drop there, that's why I started thinking about it, and apparently I am not the only one who thinks like that about it.

I'm just gonna continue this run, and if I find any more, I'll gladly post it on here. If the next 2k chests don't give me anything, my conclusion of course will be, that it indeed was completely random luck.

Volo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2008

WTS +10vs Demon duo-modded Shields

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if u get an irredecent shields +10vs demon -2^ench pm me ^.^

superraptors

superraptors

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2008

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there is always a designated amount of chests for any area.

myths of fury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2009

On that note, I would tend to aggree with you. I have gotten loads of offhands with +8-10 vs undead in FoW. As you said it might be coincidence but idk. (I also got a perfect +10 vs undead, -2^ench... but that's just another specimen for this). If it does affect the mods selection, it is kinda wierd. Okay it's good if you only want the mod. but if you want a skin in an area where the drop rate isn't for the mods you want, then that's not cool imo.

i.e. kurz forest droping more plants stuff...

Matrix Arcade

Matrix Arcade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

Hi, I ran +- 200 chests in Pongmei valley, got 2 +10vs demons shields (1 single modded Amber, other +29hp +10vs round shield) a flame artifact +10vs demons +1fire/20% and a single modded +10vs demons earth scroll. Do I win the colourradio now? Dropchance of mods is random apart from diffirent mods coming on blue/purple/gold (max, non-max, blue non-ins always single modded on shield/foci)

NewSin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2011

The Vatican Assassins

Rt/N

I just found 2 of them doing Mantids does that sound right? They were both only +8 though.