This build has been in the making since long before the update (yay leaks!). The actual update ended up differing slightly, so I had to change a few skills, but I still think the concept works splendidly (and certainly better damage-wise than anything else I can see in the update right now).
I'm still testing it out, but here's what I have so far:
Aura of Holy Might
Pious Fury
Pious Renewal
Pious Assault
Irresistible Sweep
Eremite's Attack
Optional
Optional
The basic idea is to use PR's instant recharge to get around the fact that flash enchantments have prohibitively high recharge times. It also doubles as energy management. This allows for maximum use of attack skills and maximum triggering of AoHM.
AoHM goes on first, then you use PR and PF.
PA is the preferred removal skill. However, you can't use it constantly. That's what the other two attack skills are for; they get used while PA is recharging.
So, you go in, use PR+PA. Then, while PA is recharging, use PR+IS. Now PA is recharged. So, use PR+PA again, then PR+EA. Now, both PA and IS are recharged, so start the cycle over again.
When Pious Fury runs out, use PR+PF again.
Discuss.
Pious Spam
reaper with no name
-Makai-
I knew you'd cook up some interesting builds. I've been meaning to give AoHM a try, but obviously this last update was an information overload. Thanks for sharing.
Edit: What attribute splits are you using, or does it even make a difference?
Edit II: Just did some basic testing and as expected from you, this is a really awesome build.
Edit: What attribute splits are you using, or does it even make a difference?
Edit II: Just did some basic testing and as expected from you, this is a really awesome build.
LifeInfusion
Why not put an adrenaline skill in there (for your optional)? You have no adrenaline skills and with Pious Fury you will have boatloads of it. Radiant scythe (big damage if you have lots of energy) or Aura slicer (to boost damage from elemental), whirlwind attack (better than eremite's in every way) or even Save Yourselves.
I like it though. It makes excellent use of Pious Renewal.
I like it though. It makes excellent use of Pious Renewal.
reaper with no name
You only need Scythe Mastery and Mysticism.
Save Yourselves is what I'm currently using as my optional.
The problem with adrenaline attack skills is that none of them can be charged fast enough.
Literally, the only reason IS and EA are in there is to be used while PA is recharging. Adrenaline skills don't charge fast enough to do that. Therefore, there is no place for them in this build.
Save Yourselves is what I'm currently using as my optional.
The problem with adrenaline attack skills is that none of them can be charged fast enough.
Literally, the only reason IS and EA are in there is to be used while PA is recharging. Adrenaline skills don't charge fast enough to do that. Therefore, there is no place for them in this build.
Xenomortis
Hmm.
Zealous Renewal probably isn't necessary, or at least shouldn't be if Pious Fury were replaced by Heart of Fury and Eremite's Attack replaced by Twin Moon Sweep. Eremite's might be preferable against large surrounding mobs though, I dunno (Whirlwind Attack instead?) - the adrenaline gain should be quick enough for your DPS not to suffer. I hit 80-100 on the MoD if I don't mess up the skill timings without any buffs with the two alterations. Then again, I don't think I got any less using your exact copy.
To the Limit could replace BFury I suppose. Recharge is a little higher and its cost is not reduced.
I really want to use Onslaught, but Pious Renewal is damn useful.
Zealous Renewal probably isn't necessary, or at least shouldn't be if Pious Fury were replaced by Heart of Fury and Eremite's Attack replaced by Twin Moon Sweep. Eremite's might be preferable against large surrounding mobs though, I dunno (Whirlwind Attack instead?) - the adrenaline gain should be quick enough for your DPS not to suffer. I hit 80-100 on the MoD if I don't mess up the skill timings without any buffs with the two alterations. Then again, I don't think I got any less using your exact copy.
To the Limit could replace BFury I suppose. Recharge is a little higher and its cost is not reduced.
I really want to use Onslaught, but Pious Renewal is damn useful.
ensoriki
oh damn I had similar ideas for PR when I looked at it this morning.
Anyways that aside for pve, I would think perhaps Zealous sweep over Zealous renewal.
Zealous renewal doesn't seem needed, if your suffering from energy Zealous sweepwill probably manage you just fine that or a zealous scythe. Your gaining 3/4 energy every 3 seconds and pious assault only recharges every 3 seconds. Even with Eremites you should still be good for it.
This build seems like it needs 11 mysticism to meet the PR break point, 12 not being needed since through my glance through there are no 10 energy enchants in here.
Anyways that aside for pve, I would think perhaps Zealous sweep over Zealous renewal.
Zealous renewal doesn't seem needed, if your suffering from energy Zealous sweepwill probably manage you just fine that or a zealous scythe. Your gaining 3/4 energy every 3 seconds and pious assault only recharges every 3 seconds. Even with Eremites you should still be good for it.
This build seems like it needs 11 mysticism to meet the PR break point, 12 not being needed since through my glance through there are no 10 energy enchants in here.
Life Bringing
First thing i tested when update went live <3. Unfortunately, lack of ascan makes the damage really depressing compared to prenerf
Xenomortis
10+1 Myst gives you the 4e breakpoint on PR and lets you spec 8 Tactics which hits the 4 adren breakpoint on TTL.
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First thing i tested when update went live <3. Unfortunately, lack of ascan makes the damage really depressing compared to prenerf
The lack of AScan probably means no new Derv build will match the old ZV build.
ensoriki
Well with Aura of Holy might pusshing out damage every time an enchantments, with Pious renewal & assault AoHM is triggering every 3 seconds
Whenever you do PA or eremites your getting additional damage so it may not be so weak.
Whenever you do PA or eremites your getting additional damage so it may not be so weak.
Xenomortis
reaper with no name
Yeah, I'm beginning to think that ZR isn't necessary too. I'll replace it with I am the strongest or something.
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First thing i tested when update went live <3. Unfortunately, lack of ascan makes the damage really depressing compared to prenerf
Really? Could it be because we were having all those conversations about just how effective it was going to be? Nah, couldn't be that.
In any case, the original version of this build (based on the leaks) would have made all scythe builds ever made cry, but the changes to Asuran Scan and AoHM changed all that (as well as the fact that the leaked PA was instant recharge; that hurts it too).
In any case, the original version of this build (based on the leaks) would have made all scythe builds ever made cry, but the changes to Asuran Scan and AoHM changed all that (as well as the fact that the leaked PA was instant recharge; that hurts it too).
Chthon
I think I saw cuilan running a build similar to this last night.
I'd say that core skills are:
Aura of Holy Might
Pious Fury
Pious Renewal
Pious Assault
SY!
What's left is to plug the gaps in between PA. I'm not sure Irresistible Sweep and Eremite's Attack are the best choices. Some other things that come to mind are Wearying Strike, which is basically +100 so long as you only have to use it once per foe; Aura Slicer + Reap Impurities for more AoE fun; Twin Moon for doubling buffs (Orders, SoH, Barbs, etc); Radiant, for decent +dmg if the energy works well; and Victorious for decent +dmg on a quick recharge. Using some adr attacks should also clear up energy problems.
Also, might consider splitting into Tactics, Earth, or Wind for a non-attack skill.
All-in-all, this is surely one of the best build patterns out of the update. Now let's get the details ironed out.
I'd say that core skills are:
Aura of Holy Might
Pious Fury
Pious Renewal
Pious Assault
SY!
What's left is to plug the gaps in between PA. I'm not sure Irresistible Sweep and Eremite's Attack are the best choices. Some other things that come to mind are Wearying Strike, which is basically +100 so long as you only have to use it once per foe; Aura Slicer + Reap Impurities for more AoE fun; Twin Moon for doubling buffs (Orders, SoH, Barbs, etc); Radiant, for decent +dmg if the energy works well; and Victorious for decent +dmg on a quick recharge. Using some adr attacks should also clear up energy problems.
Also, might consider splitting into Tactics, Earth, or Wind for a non-attack skill.
All-in-all, this is surely one of the best build patterns out of the update. Now let's get the details ironed out.
Avatar Exico
another good Mystic Moon Sweep for heal, removal a enchantment that heals for 150-200 is just outright sick.
Kunder
I'm just not seeing it with this build. If you have that many adjacent foes you should be using things like VoS/Sand Shards/Etc. If AoHM was at least in the area I would consider it, but if I need to ball up the entire group onto my face to use AoHM I'll take something much better than it at wiping them.
Chthon
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Quote: Chilling's aoe is pretty low, but you should be able to spam it every 2-3 attacks which might make it worth it as well. Chilling remains crap. Triggering "more health than foe" is hard vs. PvE monsters. Them when you do trigger it, you get armor-sensitive cold damage. That's a little less bad now that dervs have access to easy Cracked Armor, but still sucky.
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I also think this is the most solid build to come out of the update. 
I'm not sure if it's the most solid. Just one of the most solid. VoS is going to outperform it if paired with AP+MoP. I've got a feeling that Reap Impurities spam may also be very, very strong. I've also got a plan for a dervish caster I need to test out.
I'm not sure if it's the most solid. Just one of the most solid. VoS is going to outperform it if paired with AP+MoP. I've got a feeling that Reap Impurities spam may also be very, very strong. I've also got a plan for a dervish caster I need to test out.Quote:
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Pious Assault, Wearying strike, Irresistible Sweep are probably the most solid teardown attacks.
Who says it **has** to be a teardown attack. PR doesn't do anything great on its own, so the only reasons to favor a teardown attack are (1) the AoE burst on AoHM and (2) any advantages inherent in the attack skill.
reaper with no name
Wearying Strike could replace Eremite's Attack, but with a cost of 5 adrenaline you won't be able to consistently get it off without FGJ.
Of course, since that helps with SY spam, it might be a good idea anyway.
Cuilan
Used a build just like that but with SY and I Am the Strongest. They're shouts and not flash, so you won't get the one second thing. If you think you're about to be stripped, you have a little resistance with Pious Renewal.
b0nkuz
this seems like a good build. maybe for the optionals you should shove the extra points in water/fire/air magic and take a conjure. that would boost the damage but lose synergies with other things, like barbs and mop. if you dont want to use a scythe mod grenths fingers in the wind prayers line is a 30s conversion to water with no investment
also you could also just add reap impurities. shove withering aura on one of your nec heroes and it will always removes the weakness and will always trigger the bonus
byteme!
arcane mimicry + another Derv with Avatar of Dwayna just for the lolz?
hirush
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arcane mimicry + another Derv with Avatar of Dwayna just for the lolz?
arcane mimicry does not work on elite form, would be fun though.
reaper with no name
Well, for today my build has stabilized around:
FGJ AoHM Pious Fury Pious Renewal Pious Assault Irresistible Sweep Wearying Strike SY
shoyon456
I haven't gotten around to playing with all the flash enchantments of course, but it seems like their recharge times in general are indeed low enough and create a fast enough consistent dps output that Pious Renewal really isn't that great when compared with the numerous amazing other options that don't take up your elite.
reaper with no name
The lowest non-elite ones I can find are on 6 seconds recharges (and cost 10 energy, to boot).
This build can get off 2 or even 3 triggers of AoHM (as well as whatever attack skills are being used) for every one that those other enchantments can get. And it will do so in fewer skill slots.
Avison
I've been running numbers all day today and yesterday... I can't seem to get the kind of numbers we were seeing before.
So far I've fallen into this exact same build and can't really seem to find anything better. The new changes offer an easier dervish to play, but an overall less affective one. I'm having a hard time even reaching the specialized builds I used for hard mode missions. This update has quite literally murdered most dervish's livelyhood. Eh, whatever. I'm still playing and only time will tell. But god I miss ascan. EDIT: I think the adrenal based energy management brought by the update is quite a strong boon. I also like how we have stance removal. Ranger mobs are slightly easier now. But once again, only time will tell. DiogoSilva
A good alternative to this build is the Lyssa's avatar/ haste skills, which makes the 6sec recharge flashes into 3sec. That's two skills right there that also abuse AoHM, with energy drain or aoe rupting within. Not sure if overall it might be better or not, but it's awesome to see two kind of builds doing the same thing in their own unique way.
Bandwagon
Hey guys, I posted a thread earlier, with a build with a similar feel, since I think no one will be replying to that thread I thought I might as well participate in this one.
This is my version of the build 14 SM 13 Myst Pious Renewal Pious Fury Pious Assault Twin Moon Sweep AoHM SY! A-Scan (swapped out if there is no melee hate in the zone) Irresistible Sweep I use skills with Pious Renewal in the following priority: AoHM upkeep > Pious Fury > Pious Assault > Twin Moon Sweep > Irresistible Sweep. I run with Orders (since my vanqs usually consist of 2-3 physicals) so Twin Moon Sweep is practically always charged. I think someone should submit the bare bones (the Pious skills + AoHM) template to PvX, this thing is a monster! mega_automaton
decided to try using it on my hero, they don't use pious fury ever
bichon
How about demonic flesh? It could possibly double the damage output of AoHM.
Voodoo Rage
Great build! I'm loving it so far.
reaper with no name
So today, I was thinking "I've got one PvE skill left, and Irresistible Sweep isn't THAT good, so maybe I could replace that with a skill to buff the rest of my attacks?"
I Am The Strongest seems ideal. The +20 to multiple attacks, I think, would be better than the occasional Irresistible Sweep + AoHM trigger.
reaper with no name
A conjure would defeat the purpose of his build, because TMS requires Orders to be charged often enough to be worth taking.
Originally Posted by Bandwagon
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Hey guys, I posted a thread earlier, with a build with a similar feel, since I think no one will be replying to that thread I thought I might as well participate in this one.
This is my version of the build 14 SM 13 Myst Pious Renewal Pious Fury Pious Assault Twin Moon Sweep AoHM SY! A-Scan (swapped out if there is no melee hate in the zone) Irresistible Sweep I use skills with Pious Renewal in the following priority: AoHM upkeep > Pious Fury > Pious Assault > Twin Moon Sweep > Irresistible Sweep. I run with Orders (since my vanqs usually consist of 2-3 physicals) so Twin Moon Sweep is practically always charged. I think someone should submit the bare bones (the Pious skills + AoHM) template to PvX, this thing is a monster! If you have Orders and FGJ, TMS beats PA (because it will always be charged), and PA is relegated to the backup role. Otherwise, however, TMS isn't consistently charged often enough, and honestly not really worth bringing. That's the main difference between your build and mine. Yours is the "Orders Pious Spam" and mine is the "non-Orders Pious Spam". But I think I'm going to bastardize most of your build for my own Orders Pious Spam: FGJ AoHM PF PR PA (literally there only to charge up TMS) TMS I Am The Strongest SY Variant: Replace one of the last two skills with Wearying Strike Neky
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AoHM PF PR PA (literally there only to charge up TMS) TMS I Am The Strongest SY this kicks some serious butt! gogogo
Dennisss The Menace
Thanks for posting this build, it really works good
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