How much would you fork over for an auction house?

I would pay $15 for an auction house in GW1.

Hire a small krewe, pound out some code and glue it on. Doooooo want.

Player-to-player buying and selling is something that I've basically opted out of in GW1, and that's a shame. I just can't bring myself to participate in the so-called economy as it exists now. An auction house would be a terrific boon, even this late in the game. I'd like to be able to shop for mods and other things without having to set foot in Kamadan, turn on $ and start reading 100-mph pink text. No thank you.

You'll get no nonsense from me about what I "deserve" or what "should" be free or not. Question asked: How much would I pay? I'd pay $15 USD. One time fee for permanent access to an auction house? Do it.

Are you all aware that the old trading outpost they were gunna make is now going to be the home of Embrak beach, im pretty sure early ideas of trading were made into party search to. Auction houses simply dont work in gw1...thats partly why gw2 was to be made, to try out things and new ideas that just simply wouldnt work in this game

Couple ecto's

YES i think we are.... but you didn't' answer the OP's question.... 1 dollar? 1 ecto? 1g? zero? don't care? first born? pizza box?.... etc....

Is it? An economy which is unable to do the above is crippled. Money in itself means nothing, it's an abstract concept. It needs something of real value to back it up.

Ah, you're assuming the old trading system will survive alongside AH. Will it?

Who decides min and max? And how? You're describing a regulated market, another crippled aspect.

Go on, give me a rigurous definition for "fair price" for a given game item. If I want to sell Sup vigor for 4g or manage to sell it for 500k who says it's "wrong"?

And how will AH deal with WTB? How do you specify "I want <complex custom request>"? The other night I met a player with loads of cash who couldn't find a certain item. He advertised he's willing to pay double the usual amount and within minutes he got it. How do you replicate this in the AH?

If you design a feature that will be ripe for botting I think it's cause for concern. Wouldn't call that irrelevant.

Sure you can. But thanks to your market regulation you don't have to. They will just sell for the minimum price.

Failed analogy. I think you wanted to say "merchants/NPC traders are bad". Because those are most likely already used by bots in the manner I described.

But here's the kicker; bots will like AH for the same reason players like AH: higher prices and big volume trading.

Both players and bots can currently use the NPCs. Bots have to, since the bazaar trading is impossible for them since it relies 99% on human dialogue. Players avoid it out of greed.

Why would you wish to do that, unless you're a bot? It's just a grind enabler.

The fact that it's not worth the effort to sell loads of crappy items under the bazaar system is one of the best things about it.

No, it's just that, you know those players with green names? They're actually NPCs. For human interaction you want the blue ones.

And AH users will use AH because... of the exact same reason.

I'll say it again: the only reason to trade (in any manner) is if you want lots of money and getting items easy. Trading, in any way you do it, is driven by greed. Let's not pretend that AH is not, that the only reason to use AH would be to "just get rid of those items", when you could merch or destroy them. You want the big bucks.

I'm trying really hard to like the AH idea but I cannot. All I see is a tehnically inferior system that solves no real problems, done for the sake of paying lip service to "convenience" and appeasing the masses.

First of all, bazaar trading in GW1 is not going anywhere.

Second, I like a good flamewar as much as the next person but how about we keep it friendly and to the point instead? I'm not the one who started this thread, just trying to make some points in that AH might not be the great thing so many assume it is. Try to address those points please.

so you wouldn't pay a dime? and yes i would destroy it for convenience. i need a McDonald's at every corner.

I don't fully understand how an AH would work, but won't a major portion of the GW population have to have it for it to work like it is intended? Convincing enough people to buy it, for convenience in trading, could prove difficult.

Personally, I don't see enough added value, so I would pay nothing to have it added.

Nothing, because I don't really care; an auction house is entirely unimportant to me.

Also something like that is useless if not accessible by everyone.

Since I don't even care about it, nothing.
Pretty much. If you have too much money, donate some to a charity.

I doubt it would happen seeing as gw2 will be released pretty soon. I really would enjoy it. I cant stand standing in kamadan spamming to sell some items when there should have been an auction house where i could actually game than waste time in cities. I hope gw2 has an auction house...

Yeah. Of course. That's right.
Some countries have gold reserves for that.
That gold is a guaranteee that backs up the value of the money.
But then, the money itself has the value the government gives it. That's called fiat money.
But GW's currency is gold and platinum, gold and platinum have value on their own. When money is like that, it's called commodity money.

Nowadays, people don't buy petrol directly with cookies. They'll sell the cookies, and with the money, they'll buy petrol.
Getting stuff by paying with stuff other than money is called BARTER. And it was people did before money was invented, and between people from different countries with non-compatible currencies (one uses fiat money and the other commodity money, for example).
But gold is a global currency in the whole Tyria, so instead bartering, people can commerce with money.

If not, taxes can be added to simulate the gold loss.
The one that sell gets less since he pays the tax, the one that buys pays more, exactly like with traders.

ANet decides min and max.
Don't like that? Well, it's their game. It doesn't matter if one or two players don't like that, they don't decide things lightly. That doesn't make them always right... oh, wait, yes it does, it's they frakking game!
Like a forum it's not a democracy, they may consider what individual players think and want, but they will ultimately do what they think is best for the game and the players as a whole. Not just because people vote to do so.
And over time, things can change enough to make them rethink a decision.
But the new decision is still Anet's.

If you think you are doing something right by doing something like that, you lack moral fiber, and trying to convince you of otherwise is a waste of time.
It's not my duty to teach you what is right and wrong, it's your parents' and other relatives', your teachers', your friends', not me, a complete stranger.

"I can't think of a way to do this" is never a good argument.
For example, using a system similar to the Item Creation panel, you can choose the skin and properties of any item, and compose an item in the auction slot to request one like that.
But... there are many items! Using a simple search feature with some kind of Autocomplete that shows you a short list of items that start with the letters you input, you can choose any item by name.
Others may think of different ways, there are always plenty of ways to do something.

No. A feature being usable by bots is not irrelevant. An argument against a feature that will be really good for players because bots could use it is what's irrelevant.
If we remove anything a bot can use, or stop from adding something because a bot could use it, then GW wouldn't exist, since a bot can even star the program by itself.
"Oh! A bot can use the program! We better get rid of the program!" Silly, uh?
What you do is not removing what the bot can use, what you do is making it harder, impossible or even better: pointless; for the bot to use it, and punish bot users as much as possible.

Not everyone gets all the drops they want.
You may play 5 years without getting a single Black Dye.
The REAL reason to trade is to exchange items you won't use for gold, and then use that gold to buy items you want.
That's why people trade in all human cultures.
I want bread to eat, I have more fish than I can eat.
What do I do?
I sell my surplus fish, and with the money I get bread.

In GW is the same.
I got some ritualist tomes, but I don't need them. I could some elementalist tomes, though.
What do I do?
I sell the ritualist tomes I'm not using, and with the gold, I the elementalists tomes I wanted.

If you think that's greed, then it seems to me that you don't know what greed is.

GW2 will have an auction house, it's confirmed.

This.

Also this.

Paying for a feature that's included in other (shitty) free-to-play games seems ridiculous, especially this late in the game's life.

I have suggested this years ago. It should be FREE to all buyers with no use limits. And it should offer FREE limited selling ability to everyone, for example just 7 items maximum. Then to cover the costs of development of this feature they should sell a *Premium Power Seller* pack (15-20$) with a ton of slots and more selling options, and things like live price history and statistics.

And I would buy that.
I mean I would have certainly bought that back in 2007-2008, now probably not, gimme GW2 instead.

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Plus there's no reason for them to do this.

even if the game is almost 6y old I'd LOVE to see an auction house, thats probably the reason why I only sell stuff at trade chat once every 4 months

wouldnt pay real money for this if that was the case no need to get not enough people would pay real money for it so id consider it autofail. now in game money yes id pay

I asked some programmers who have been in the industry for 10 years plus about this.They said it would be possibly to rebuild the game engine this of coarse requires taking the server down over a certain time.

I would contract the work out to a third party not Anet a Chinese development co..This would keep the cost down and could be free as well as adding a persistent world.

I would really like this as I don't like the way GW2 is going and for those not planning on buying GW2.

Wouldnt pay a thing, Not worth it for such old game as this

I'd fork over a q9 uncommon Raven Staff, thats about it. Whats wrong with Kamadan?

nothing is wrong with that place. It's just a trade town or flee market. Looking for an auction house or function like an auction in game and price someone would pay.

Woo, quote wars.

£20.

Slow. Limited. Annoying.

When I want to sit around and have idle chatter, I sit around and have idle chatter.
When I want to sell stuff, I put it on eBay, or sell it to a pawn shop, I don't go around yelling at people on the street.

I was helping Veliisx work on a live streaming auction house way back. It showed great signs of promise. People seemed very impressed by it even if it was still in a very crude state.

Unfortunatly Vellisx lost interest and we also were edging closer and closer towards doing things that go against the guildwars agreement. Here is the thread we had going.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/l...tml?t=10357497

Basically how it worked is we had someone stand in a town (Kamadan, American District 1 for example) and then turn of all but the trade chat. We then had had those screenshots uploaded to a server, had them turned into black and white, then the screenshots were cut up, seperating each trade and then ran through an OCR, that OCR was sent to a database and then the results were displayed online.

The final end result we wanted to achieve was a fully realtime, searchable, interacable web auction house that you could have up open at the same time as guildwars, where just like the guru auction house, you could sort trades by swords or shields, etc from the OCR picking up key words in the trades and sorting them automatically into categories. I had even wished to have interactivity by being able to click the name of the trader in the live auction that it would copy that name to your clipboard for you to paste into guildwars. This could have been something tacked onto 1 npc in each town of guildwars instead of us having to stand there.

Though this was the dreamed end result and you can see where there would have been legal issues with the agreement, having documentation about everything going on in the biggest trade center of guildwars.

I still wish Veliisx would have wanted to continue though. I thought it showed great merit as he kept telling me he wasnt very good at programing and he was learning as he went along.

The project is still up for revival though. Unfortunatly I am not a coder myself but I supplied most of the testing and ideas for the project. I would be willing to help providing the same input.

is there another website that does this? archsoft? don't have it bookmarked at work, but i use that as a guide. sorry i missed the website and project Veliisx was doing.


*Rant*
live team, KT , paid employees, some dev of GW, I mean really did they not think of this at all there fun meeting and videos we see on youtube? i'm sure they did and play the games they have created and have to be annoyed of trading in game to some degree. yeah yeah i know at the start it was about pvp... but 6 years later? really

i hope and pray i eat my words and the FB update rolls out and update the party window
*End Rant*



oh yeah i would pay $59.99 or the price i original paid when i purchased GW

The whole project and website this used to be hosted on has been down since 2009. All that's left about the project is pretty much on that thread and in my brains.

He's talking about Argos Soft's site, Zodiak - you might want to check it out

http://argos.soft.free.fr/GwEstimato...p?search=ectos

that's the site thanks!!!

Nothing, it should have been implemented at the start of the game. Doing it now would would be a waste of time and money. I'd would rather their resources go to finishing GW2.

/facepalm

I've never seen anything else after our project went under. Who created this, how are they achieving it and what are they planning on doing with it?