People are upset about the mercenary packs allowing a gameplay advantage because it allows them to have more heroes of each class than those who don't have it. There are now a large number of redundant henchmen throughout Tyria who will rarely see the light of day now.
Turn them all into heroes.
Simply allow players to talk to them in the outposts and give them an option to select 8 henchmen (the same number as the mercenary max) who will then appear in their hero lists. This will allow players access to the same party mixes the mercenary pack allows (assuming you allow them to get PvP henchmen as well to make up for dervish and paragon numbers). There are at least 7 heroes and henchmen of every single profession available in the game right now, turn all the henchmen into heroes and allow us to select them like players can create mercenaries.
This maintains the cosmetic only benefit of the mercenary pack - somethign ArenaNet said they would never sell a gameplay advantage. Players who bought the mercenary pack will still be able to access the exclusive ability to customise their party with their other toons and everyone else is able to bring 7 necromancers or 7 monks or 7 assassins if they want, without the added cosmetic bonuses other players enjoy.
Turn Henchmen into Heroes
dancing gnome
Kunder
I'd really like this just because I personally like Mhenlo more then all the monk heroes, ditto for a few other classes. Don't even care about the limit of 3 of each profession thing. Finishing prophecies or factions with all these nightfall/eotn characters just feels wrong.
Ninja Dude
There are pelnty of great combinations of heros you can use without buying mercenaries.
dancing gnome
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There are pelnty of great combinations of heros you can use without buying mercenaries.
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If you are going to give people the ability to customise their party completely, you should give it to everyone. This way it allows those of us who don't pay the ability to bring whatever combinations we want if we consider that a superior gameplay option for us.
Missing HB
I think they did this on purpose. The " a bit expensive " price isn't only for the cool skins imo , but for the possibility of rolling face with 7 necros for example. If everyone was able to bring 7 heroes ,many would find the price very exagerated and noone would buy it for sure...
I know that's not fair but well , that's just commercial reason...
I know that's not fair but well , that's just commercial reason...
Jesuve
Everyone is able to bring 7 heroes...
Anyway, I agree with the op. Mercenary heroes are too expensive, and henchmen are almost useless for people who have Nightfall and/or EotN.
Anyway, I agree with the op. Mercenary heroes are too expensive, and henchmen are almost useless for people who have Nightfall and/or EotN.
Sir Cusfreak
I'd say that could fix part of the problem, except there's no rit hench in NF or eotn areas, for example.
There's several things they could change to solvbe it, but they need to do something to make everyone have the same amount of the same professions available.
Perhaps if youre using your mercenary mesmer, you use it instead of either Gwen or Norgu, but not in addition to?
Or youre using your Mercenary rit so either Xandra or Razah is no longer available? thats just as fair.
but the cash shop advantage has got to go, one way or another.
And if people are really buying mercs for the coolness of the re-skin, they really shouldnt mind.
There's several things they could change to solvbe it, but they need to do something to make everyone have the same amount of the same professions available.
Perhaps if youre using your mercenary mesmer, you use it instead of either Gwen or Norgu, but not in addition to?
Or youre using your Mercenary rit so either Xandra or Razah is no longer available? thats just as fair.
but the cash shop advantage has got to go, one way or another.
And if people are really buying mercs for the coolness of the re-skin, they really shouldnt mind.
ajc2123
You do realize if you keep asking the guild wars gods for things, they will eventually take everything away. Do not tempt the higher beings with your petty wishes!
Instead repent and REJOICE for the seven heroes. All shall be well and no smiting shall occur (unless of course you want your monk to run that!
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Instead repent and REJOICE for the seven heroes. All shall be well and no smiting shall occur (unless of course you want your monk to run that!
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dancing gnome
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Originally Posted by Sir Cusfreak
I'd say that could fix part of the problem, except there's no rit hench in NF or eotn areas, for example.
There's several things they could change to solvbe it, but they need to do something to make everyone have the same amount of the same professions available. |
My idea involves talking to a henchmen in whatever outpost they are currently found in and selecting an option to have them listed in your hero list (the same way the mercenary function takes an image of a player character and then adds it to the list with a maximum of 8). This means you can bring them with you away from Factions as long as you first talk to them in Factions. If you don't own Factions in the first place a ritualist hero isn't going to be very useful.
This allows players to keep their mercenary cosmetic benefits while maintaining any gameplay benefits evenly split with the rest of the gaming community.
redscull
I think your idea to turn henchmen into heroes is pretty cool. It breathes new life into the otherwise abandoned henchies. I know I've always wished I could give them better equipment and skill loadouts.
But I completely disagree that the mercenary packs are unfair. Every player in the game has the same opportunity to build a team of any combination of classes. Some just pay real money for the option to skip the hassle of making friends. Just like some people pay real money to skip the hassle of skill hunting for their heroes.
Merc-buyers still have to endure the downside of not only equipping all those "bought friends," but being limited in the builds they can actually utilize. Heroes/mercs still don't use a lot of abilities correctly, and while there are plenty of viable builds for them, a team of mostly/all real people has the most build options, the most coordination, and the highest potential power. No one is excluded from that by money.
But I completely disagree that the mercenary packs are unfair. Every player in the game has the same opportunity to build a team of any combination of classes. Some just pay real money for the option to skip the hassle of making friends. Just like some people pay real money to skip the hassle of skill hunting for their heroes.
Merc-buyers still have to endure the downside of not only equipping all those "bought friends," but being limited in the builds they can actually utilize. Heroes/mercs still don't use a lot of abilities correctly, and while there are plenty of viable builds for them, a team of mostly/all real people has the most build options, the most coordination, and the highest potential power. No one is excluded from that by money.
Another Felldspar
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Originally Posted by ajc2123
You do realize if you keep asking the guild wars gods for things, they will eventually take everything away. Do not tempt the higher beings with your petty wishes!
Instead repent and REJOICE for the seven heroes. All shall be well and no smiting shall occur (unless of course you want your monk to run that! ) |
Those Guild Wars Gods do understand that they need worshipers to exist, right? If they continue to give cash shop advantage then this worshiper can find somewhere else to be. It's just business.
I regularly spend money in the cash shop. People who say GW is a one time buy and since I've already bought the "Gods" don't care about me anymore anyway are simply wrong. If they didn't care about me spending money in the cash shop they wouldn't provide a cash shop or put new stuff in it.
Equity in the game is important. This new item that is available for purchase isn't merely cosmetic, and it doesn't allow equity for people that don't buy it. If the "Gods" are going to tread into this territory then I'm going to find somewhere else to play. Simple as that. They must find some way to make it equitable.
To me it doesn't matter how that happens as long as it happens. Hench added to the hero list (but also still in town as henchmen) they way the OP suggested, disabling one profession from the hero list as Sir Cusfreak suggested, I don't care. But they need to do something to fix this. ASAP.
Sir Cusfreak
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This means you can bring them with you away from Factions as long as you first talk to them in Factions. If you don't own Factions in the first place a ritualist hero isn't going to be very useful. This allows players to keep their mercenary cosmetic benefits while maintaining any gameplay benefits evenly split with the rest of the gaming community. |
It would at least give all players the ability to create any team builds they want, an set mercs back to being cosmetic like they should be.
I'm for it.
Atro
This would defeat their purpose of making merc heros. I have a feeling they did this take money for future projects and for other company reason. Its not all just for the community. I think people who buy the merch heros deserve what they get they paid for it with real money they work hard to get. I myself will not be getting them I've learned to play the game without many perks other people have and ill to it again now. People are never satisfied.
redscull
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Equity in the game is important. This new item that is available for purchase isn't merely cosmetic, and it doesn't allow equity for people that don't buy it. If the "Gods" are going to tread into this territory then I'm going to find somewhere else to play. Simple as that. They must find some way to make it equitable.
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Unless you've only bought costumes, never used skills from one campaign in another campaign, and always PvP with purely Core skills, your have no grounds to stand on against mercs.
Sir Cusfreak
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Captain Bulldozer
Geez... all this backlash about mercenary heroes when the live team has just given everyone with NF and EotN "click here to win" option. Seriously, even though the people who buy mercs can have more build options, its already easy enough to /faceroll your way through the entire game with the existing heroes. I doubt there'd be much of a time difference either way.
Atro
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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer
Geez... all this backlash about mercenary heroes when the live team has just given everyone with NF and EotN "click here to win" option. Seriously, even though the people who buy mercs can have more build options, its already easy enough to /faceroll your way through the entire game with the existing heroes. I doubt there'd be much of a time difference either way.
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Took the words out my mouth. Be creative and make your own builds win this new great 7 hero update
Winterclaw
I've been asking for this for a long time now.
/signed.
/signed.
Lasai
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Originally Posted by dancing gnome
People are upset about the mercenary packs allowing a gameplay advantage because it allows them to have more heroes of each class than those who don't have it. There are now a large number of redundant henchmen throughout Tyria who will rarely see the light of day now.
Turn them all into heroes. Simply allow players to talk to them in the outposts and give them an option to select 8 henchmen (the same number as the mercenary max) who will then appear in their hero lists. This will allow players access to the same party mixes the mercenary pack allows (assuming you allow them to get PvP henchmen as well to make up for dervish and paragon numbers). There are at least 7 heroes and henchmen of every single profession available in the game right now, turn all the henchmen into heroes and allow us to select them like players can create mercenaries. This maintains the cosmetic only benefit of the mercenary pack - somethign ArenaNet said they would never sell a gameplay advantage. Players who bought the mercenary pack will still be able to access the exclusive ability to customise their party with their other toons and everyone else is able to bring 7 necromancers or 7 monks or 7 assassins if they want, without the added cosmetic bonuses other players enjoy. |
Chicken Little wants free stoof methinks.
Lupu
Aaaarg!!!! some people have more Xunlai storage than others too which give them a gameplay advantage!!!..
It's not a big deal really. Let the people spend the money if they really want that extra Necro hero.
It's not a big deal really. Let the people spend the money if they really want that extra Necro hero.
pakhavit
To be honest, I don't really give a **** about other people can have 8 Mercenary with blah blah blah advantages.
BUT BUT BUT, I want Mhenlo hero instead of Talkora/Ogden/Dunkoro.
I want Cynn Hero for Elementalist, and I want my Eve Hero with Livia QQ.
I spent so much time with henchman and now they're not going to be in my party again because Hero>hench T_T
BUT BUT BUT, I want Mhenlo hero instead of Talkora/Ogden/Dunkoro.
I want Cynn Hero for Elementalist, and I want my Eve Hero with Livia QQ.
I spent so much time with henchman and now they're not going to be in my party again because Hero>hench T_T
MithranArkanere
Not all players buy the Skill packs before starting to play.
Also, you can't get the mercenaries in Factions and Prophecies until you unlock the port town.
For those that lack unlocked skills, there's Henchmen.
But I won't disagree with turning some other NPCs in Prophecies and Factions into Heroes.
For example, in Prophecies:
W Farrah Cappo
R Master Ranger Nente
Mo Priestess Rashenna
E Elementalist Aziure
N Necromancer Munne
Me Sebedoh the Mesmer
Also, you can't get the mercenaries in Factions and Prophecies until you unlock the port town.
For those that lack unlocked skills, there's Henchmen.
But I won't disagree with turning some other NPCs in Prophecies and Factions into Heroes.
For example, in Prophecies:
W Farrah Cappo
R Master Ranger Nente
Mo Priestess Rashenna
E Elementalist Aziure
N Necromancer Munne
Me Sebedoh the Mesmer
Shayne Hawke
Believe it or not, henchmen still have a purpose. They're essential tools for anyone who either doesn't have access to heroes, which would be anyone without Nightfall or EotN, and for anyone who doesn't have skills unlocked for giving their heroes decent bars, which would be anyone that is mostly new to the game.
We don't need to see henchmen eliminated, and it's not like players are broke on heroes either that we need to start dumping them onto players.
We don't need to see henchmen eliminated, and it's not like players are broke on heroes either that we need to start dumping them onto players.
tealspikes
Not everyone wants to customize a hero. Especially new players who don't have any skills unlocked. Most henchies provide a template that works at the very least.
Sorcha ravenlock
I would love it if they did this, even if it was just the core henchies: Mhenlo, Cynn, Eve, Devona and Aidan.
I've played the game for so long, and always taken the core henchies along as much as I could in every campaign, and it would be a shame never to use them again.
I'd happily pay real money for it to be honest. I'd prefer to take them along as heroes over my own characters: a group full of me, myself and I just doesn't seem right
I've played the game for so long, and always taken the core henchies along as much as I could in every campaign, and it would be a shame never to use them again.
I'd happily pay real money for it to be honest. I'd prefer to take them along as heroes over my own characters: a group full of me, myself and I just doesn't seem right
arcdash
/notsigned. Henchmen were only ever supposed to be filler for parties, making them somewhat useful would ruin their awesomeness. Personally, I still take Alesia as one of my two healers, simply because she's awful.
Qing Guang
/signed, not really out of concerns for balance but because I really like a lot of the henchies, some better than the heroes. For example, Ogden is boring, Tahlk is whiny, and I just have an irrational hatred of Dunk (I swear he has worse AI than the other two, I just know it) - but Kihm is awesome. I love her look, I love her lines... but she's kind of crappy as a hench, and it's easier for me to just bring one of the other ones.
So I wouldn't mind the opportunity, maybe, to replace (reversibly, I would hope) one of the 3 existing monk heroes with her (and possibly do the same with other henchies as well - c'mon, isn't Herta vastly cooler than Zhed?)
I just think this'd be kind of nice, especially for the NF/EotN henchies who with 7hero are probably getting no love from anyone who's been playing the game for more than a year.
EDIT: I'm not proposing that henchies be eliminated as henchmen. They're definitely useful for anybody that doesn't have access to heroes/skills for heroes/willing friends with heroes, and for entertainment value. I'm just agreeing that we should get the option to hire them or swap one of our existing heroes out for them (perhaps with the prerequisite of having finished the campaign?)
So I wouldn't mind the opportunity, maybe, to replace (reversibly, I would hope) one of the 3 existing monk heroes with her (and possibly do the same with other henchies as well - c'mon, isn't Herta vastly cooler than Zhed?)
I just think this'd be kind of nice, especially for the NF/EotN henchies who with 7hero are probably getting no love from anyone who's been playing the game for more than a year.
EDIT: I'm not proposing that henchies be eliminated as henchmen. They're definitely useful for anybody that doesn't have access to heroes/skills for heroes/willing friends with heroes, and for entertainment value. I'm just agreeing that we should get the option to hire them or swap one of our existing heroes out for them (perhaps with the prerequisite of having finished the campaign?)
Aleta
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And there are combinations you can't use without buying mercenaries. That is 100% the problem and for as long as that remains true there will be a problem. I don't care if other players want to play with copy of their own toons (I think that's pretty cool, not $45 cool but still pretty cool).
If you are going to give people the ability to customise their party completely, you should give it to everyone. This way it allows those of us who don't pay the ability to bring whatever combinations we want if we consider that a superior gameplay option for us. |
Qing Guang
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Originally Posted by Aleta
The ability to buy it IS given to everyone. Whether you can't or won't buy the pack is your decision.
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But can we not argue about this, guys? It's been discussed to death in like 5 other threads already. I know it's related to the topic at hand, but I think we can still discuss the topic without retreading this whole debate.