First, have you checked out and/or seen the new Zaishen Vanquish quests that can be done now? Go to that Embark Beach location to find the flag to gain quests if you have not done so.
Personally, I dislike it thanks to the amount of Zaishen Coins earned from any of the Zaishen Vanquish Quests. It's pathetically low.
150 for Ice Cliff Chasms and Holdings of Chokhin? Not worth my time.
What's your take on the Zaishen Vanquish?
Zaishen Vanquish & ZCoins Earned
StormDragonZ
cosyfiep
IF I am planning on doing the area anyways...great its nice to have something extra at the end. If its an easy area I could do (and should for faction etc) then ok, I will add it and if the whim hits me I will do it .....if its an area I have no intentions of doing (or have already done and found its a pain in the ...) then no, not worth it.
Champen
Think of it as a bonus for the people who need to vanquish the area anyways. When i did my vanquisher title many years ago i got 0 zaishen coins for it 
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
150 for Ice Cliff Chasms and Holdings of Chokhin? Not worth my time.
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not to bad imo. I don't even need them for the title but I like to have some coins in case someone needs a flame of balth or something.
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Think of it as a bonus for the people who need to vanquish the area anyways. When i did my vanquisher title many years ago i got 0 zaishen coins for it
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DiogoSilva
It's also an incentive to vanquish with other people. I'm loving it.
TheGizzy
I find it very worthwhile... in addition to the XP, the platinum, the drops, the title points (where appropriate), it's also about 1 copper per foe. Since I'm still working on earning my coins to get my heavy bag, I'm finding this additional influx of Z coins very welcome.
I still need to vanquish most areas, so this is just an added incentive.
I'll have to see what changes with having 7 heroes, but there have been many times when I've had to skip a bounty or even a mission because it wasn't something I could complete on my own. I have a strong dislike for PuGs, and the people I usually play with aren't always available. Now, I think I'll have a chance to get more of the bounties/missions done, in addition to doing the vanquishing... I'll have my heavy bag in no time and then be able to begin acquiring Z keys.
I find vanquishing to be easy and fun (not to mention helpful towards a few of my titles)... so I do think the Z coin payout rate is fair compensation.
I still need to vanquish most areas, so this is just an added incentive.
I'll have to see what changes with having 7 heroes, but there have been many times when I've had to skip a bounty or even a mission because it wasn't something I could complete on my own. I have a strong dislike for PuGs, and the people I usually play with aren't always available. Now, I think I'll have a chance to get more of the bounties/missions done, in addition to doing the vanquishing... I'll have my heavy bag in no time and then be able to begin acquiring Z keys.
I find vanquishing to be easy and fun (not to mention helpful towards a few of my titles)... so I do think the Z coin payout rate is fair compensation.
FallenAngel_
It gives me an incentive to vanquish, i'm progressing slowly and 1 VQ a day is pretty nice.
Rites
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It gives me an incentive to vanquish, i'm progressing slowly and 1 VQ a day is pretty nice.
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LostThing
I LOVE it...vanquishing addiction gets rewarded even more now, really can't complain 
Zahr Dalsk
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MithranArkanere
Some may seem a bit low, but others are clearly high.
50 coins for Dragon's Gullet?
It's like when you get 100 for Augury Rock.
50 coins for Dragon's Gullet?
It's like when you get 100 for Augury Rock.
Nyta
My only complaint is not having more to spend coins on. I'm kinda running low on things I have left to buy with them. ^_^;
IronSheik
Rewards are a little low, sure, but before we got 0 coins for it...so can't totally complain.
I wanna complain about embark in itself, i saw more trading searchs there than actually mission gatherings.
I wanna complain about embark in itself, i saw more trading searchs there than actually mission gatherings.
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Some may seem a bit low, but others are clearly high.
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Qing Guang
I have no complaints. I'm just starting to do my vanqs, and this gives me a direction to start out in 
I mean sure, it'll take me ages to get my Heavy Equipment Pack (need something to lug all those cute armor sets around in), but whatever. I certainly don't mind getting an extra reward for something I was going to do anyways.
I mean sure, it'll take me ages to get my Heavy Equipment Pack (need something to lug all those cute armor sets around in
Kunder
136 areas total. With the exception of a few obvious outliers on both ends, the majority of vanquishes are roughly of the same difficulty and length as the ones we have seen. So assuming that 1.5k gold and 150 zcoins is average, we're looking at a free 200k and 40 zkeys just for vanquishing in the order the game spits out the zaishen quests. This is in addition to the regular bonus for vanquishing which is on the order of 150k. I could sure have used an extra ~600k of gold after I finished vanquisher several years ago.
Methinks he is referring to the area right outside Dragon's Throat that I can't remember the name of. Its like... 10 enemies.
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novawhiz
I never understood why people did(do) zquests for zcoins. I dunno what they spend them on after the equip pack. It cant possible be worth your time if your doing it for money. Only thing that i would ever use zcoins for is zaishen tonics
Chocolate_Prayers
I find that all of the zaishen vanquishes are worthwhile, aspecially for people who are planning to do the title anyway.
This way it just adds that extra bit of motivation for people to go ahead and clear the zones.
I know at times I have trouble deciding where to start vanquishing for the day, and the Zaishen Vanquish is usually a good zone to start/end at so I quite like it.
This way it just adds that extra bit of motivation for people to go ahead and clear the zones.
I know at times I have trouble deciding where to start vanquishing for the day, and the Zaishen Vanquish is usually a good zone to start/end at so I quite like it.
Verene
The amount of coins is irrelevant to me; I've already got the equipment pack and there's not much else worth spending them on.
The kickstart to do an area I've been putting off, however, is nice. I wasn't planning on vanquishing anything in Tyria but because of this I have some incentive to keep me working at it.
The kickstart to do an area I've been putting off, however, is nice. I wasn't planning on vanquishing anything in Tyria but because of this I have some incentive to keep me working at it.
TheRaven
I like the new Vanquish missions. I've been looking around for ways to get experience on my reborn survivor and I've been doing the Z stuff that I feel I can do safely. The experience rewards for these missions is good.
I did 3 VQs so far on my survivor and today's boss bounty and it fit nicely in the HM dungeon book I'll turn in for more points. (My survivor decided to skip the Black Beast yesterday)
I know others will say that hammers and boxing is a better choice and faster but that's just not my style.
I did 3 VQs so far on my survivor and today's boss bounty and it fit nicely in the HM dungeon book I'll turn in for more points. (My survivor decided to skip the Black Beast yesterday)
I know others will say that hammers and boxing is a better choice and faster but that's just not my style.
Chthon
Forget the ZCoins -- these things give 3500 EotN title points. Fantastic for powering up PvE skills on off-characters.
Kook~NBK~
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Some may seem a bit low, but others are clearly high.
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(Not as good as getting 100 for 30 seconds - that includes map travel - worth of work, but it's not too shabby regardless)I like the new rewards. So far, A-Net seems to have gotten quite generous with these new rewards. Getting those extra 3,500 Norn points doing Ice Cliff Chasms was really nice. (borderline excessive)
Delete HB Already
It's a nice addition to people who already have to vanquish the area but not worth it at all if you don't need the area vanquished.
Random Scrubinator
It's a nice way to provide pacing and a little incentive to start/keep on doing a daunting, and pretty tedious task.
I do wish shrines all work like in EoTN. While I don't plan on ever getting any of the vanquishing titles, trying to maintain a rampage/boss bounty/time attack makes clearing areas a lot more fun than fixed bonuses. Too bad I'm close to maxing out the EoTN rep titles from double weekends
I do wish shrines all work like in EoTN. While I don't plan on ever getting any of the vanquishing titles, trying to maintain a rampage/boss bounty/time attack makes clearing areas a lot more fun than fixed bonuses. Too bad I'm close to maxing out the EoTN rep titles from double weekends
Hobbs
I've already got Legendary Vanquisher/Guardian and LMoTN on my main but I'll still do the ZVs and ZMs because they're fun and whilst I don't need the Zoins, having them doesn't hurt and I like to collect them.
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I like the new Vanquish missions. I've been looking around for ways to get experience on my reborn survivor and I've been doing the Z stuff that I feel I can do safely. The experience rewards for these missions is good.
I did 3 VQs so far on my survivor and today's boss bounty and it fit nicely in the HM dungeon book I'll turn in for more points. (My survivor decided to skip the Black Beast yesterday) I know others will say that hammers and boxing is a better choice and faster but that's just not my style. |
I already got my Legendary Vanquisher title on my main, but additional Z quests give additional experience for my survivor. And 10k XP for a 30 min work on an avarage is not bad, imo.
As for Z coins, I don't really care about them. It is nice to have some, but I won't worry about the amount given for a certain quest.
Ascended Furling
We only take the ZVQ if we did not do it already. We have only proph. left so if there is a map we did not do already we take the q and get a little bit extra reward.
EPO Bot
You know, i tought at first this would be a complaint about the extra coins devaluing the heavy equipment packs.
gremlin
I tend to do the zquests that are fast and or easy.
Something really fast that gives 70 coins in hard mode I value above something that takes an hour and gives 150.
Vanquishing for z coins I am unlikely to attempt unless as has been said I have another reason to vanquish that area.
Something really fast that gives 70 coins in hard mode I value above something that takes an hour and gives 150.
Vanquishing for z coins I am unlikely to attempt unless as has been said I have another reason to vanquish that area.
Nekodesu
I like the ZVQ, I did Ice Cliff because I wanted the norn points tho. However it's harder to team with people. Which is the only reason I do Zaishen quests, bounties and so on, well almost anyways.
I enjoy the social aspect of it.
I enjoy the social aspect of it.
Squishy ftw
I've always loved vanquishing and this will only cause me to do it even more.
I mean, how am I supposed to resist vanquishing stuff like ice clifs when it gives a 3.5k norn pts bonus. (I'm hoping for similar with luxon/kurzick areas)
I mean, how am I supposed to resist vanquishing stuff like ice clifs when it gives a 3.5k norn pts bonus. (I'm hoping for similar with luxon/kurzick areas)
Nekodesu
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I've always loved vanquishing and this will only cause me to do it even more.
I mean, how am I supposed to resist vanquishing stuff like ice clifs when it gives a 3.5k norn pts bonus. (I'm hoping for similar with luxon/kurzick areas) |
aspi
No complaints here, I love to VQ and this with the ZB and ZM can get you gold Zcoins very fast.
Coast
don't complain please, u should realy be happy they even added a vanquish coinreward
AndrewSX
I like the ZVQ too, but it should be split in more quests(one for each continent) imo.
If now all the areas of the game are in a single flag the rotation is like.... 54(prop)+17(eye)+33(chanta)+34(elona)=138 days?
If now all the areas of the game are in a single flag the rotation is like.... 54(prop)+17(eye)+33(chanta)+34(elona)=138 days?
Spiritz
The idea of the zaishen stuff ( pve/pvp ) was a gd idea by anet but what i dislike is their rewards system.Even war bounties have the same problem where an easy boss gets a higher amount of reward than an boss who is say at bottom of kessex peak.
Also the pvp side is bad where you can actually pvp farm the zcombat and get a damn huge amount of coins more - a normal player usually has 8 slots and maybe 6 pve chrs and unless they are dedicated not all 6 will have access to whole of gw.
Now the pvp side can farm the quest as many times as they want but pve side has low rewards and non repeatable ... at least make the pve side repeatable.
And before any says im having a cry - i dont actually bother with the z stuff as i cba to fight thru a few zones to kill 1 boss for a pittance reward , i could go elsewhere and farm something better for more rewards.
Also the pvp side is bad where you can actually pvp farm the zcombat and get a damn huge amount of coins more - a normal player usually has 8 slots and maybe 6 pve chrs and unless they are dedicated not all 6 will have access to whole of gw.
Now the pvp side can farm the quest as many times as they want but pve side has low rewards and non repeatable ... at least make the pve side repeatable.
And before any says im having a cry - i dont actually bother with the z stuff as i cba to fight thru a few zones to kill 1 boss for a pittance reward , i could go elsewhere and farm something better for more rewards.
Maver1ck87
This demonstrates an old philosophy, people will complain at anything!
e.g. Have a free sandwich -> Urgh, I don't like chicken!
Look, no one is forcing you to do them, if you can earn more stuff somewhere else faster go there ffs. As you can tell from the responses, normal human beings that take pleasure in things look at this as a nice bonus to what you already get for vanquishes!
e.g. Have a free sandwich -> Urgh, I don't like chicken!
Look, no one is forcing you to do them, if you can earn more stuff somewhere else faster go there ffs. As you can tell from the responses, normal human beings that take pleasure in things look at this as a nice bonus to what you already get for vanquishes!
cataphract
I might pug these zaishen vanquishes with my monk. Getting money, socialising and getting legendary survivor in the process look nice.
vader
I like it. I have most of Factions and most of Tyria left to vanquish and was planning on doing one vanquish a day until they are both finished (I know its going to take a while). Now instead of deciding where to vanquish, I can just do the Zaishen vanquish and get a little bonus for completing it.
Legendary Survivor with a PUG? Good luck. I've had great success with PUGs but if you get one like I got for Arachni last night, you're in for some hurt (we didn't even make it to the dungeon).
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I might pug these zaishen vanquishes with my monk. Getting money, socialising and getting legendary survivor in the process look nice.
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chessyang
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