Legendary Survivor and Legendary Defender of Ascalon no longer mutually exclusive

Well I think the new updates are great, but seriously why did they make it so that people can get both of these titles now? I don't care much for the fact that such titles are much more easily obtainable but isn't it redundant to have launched such a big title change because players were complaining about how their original/older characters could no longer achieve either of these titles and ruined their sense of perfection/accomplishment? Instead of fixing that, now every single character before the update who is out of pre-searing is permanently missing a title that can now be acquired by any new characters easily...
I understand that it is getting close to GW2 and that most people wouldn't care but I restarted my character just to be able to get legendary survivor and now that effort was completely worthless. All I think is that these two titles should be made mutually exclusive once again.
I also know there are threads somewhat similar to this but I wanted to chiefly discuss LDoA and LS.
Thoughts?

Actually they were not mutually exclusive but they ARE mutually exclusive now. I am glad they fixed it so now my older characters who completed so many achievements before the survivor title was implemented can now get survivor.

If not, this would be unfair to characters who were created when the game started in 2005. If they have told us about survivor title, we would have played more carefully. Besides, we didn't have cons, heroes, overpowered pve skills, or power creep to help us survive then, unlike the newer characters so it is not fair to exclude old characters from ever getting survivor. Why should I have to buy new character slots, delete my old character, create a new character and reset all his achievements?

I don't understand, are you saying that LS and LDoA are now mutually exclusive? As in you can only get one? It seems to me like you are complaining about the same things I am, in that you couldn't get legendary survivor before if you had an older character. But now only characters in pre searing still or new characters can get both these titles while everyone else can never get both.

No they aren't. You can get LDoA, sear, then work up the 1,337,500 xp for LS.

They are NOT mutually exclusive anymore. You can get both in pre-searing given enough time.

I don't really understand what the OP is complaining about. Is it that you don't like that players who chose to get LDoA can now get survivor, but players who chose survivor still can't get LDoA?

Anyways, getting LDoA still isn't easy. It takes time, maybe even a similar amount of time than somebody who death leveled his way up. It's just now it isn't so boring. If you want LDoA, make a new character and get it. If you're complaining that you can't get both on a survivor who has already seared, well, that's just how it goes. If you want both, make a new character and get both.

Well I won't deny that I'm going to enjoy getting GWAMM on my rit now, but I do feel bad for the prophecies characters who got screwed out of a title.

In any case, this update is needed for older characters to get survivor. Also I dont see what is wrong with having the ability to do both LDoA and survivor right now. Why should one title prevents the other? No other titles do that.

That's not the issue he has. Survivor title is now attainable for those who went LDoA. The reverse is not true for post-searing characters who have survivor (i.e. they cannot gain LDoA). Personally, I could not care less but I do see the issue the OP has.

Allowing older characters to go back in time into pre-searing to get their LDoA? I don't know how that is going to work out lore-wise. Time machine?

Personally, I could not care less either, if you want LDoA, go make a new character and grind away.

/notsigned

quit bitching about something so trivial.

This is pretty much what I was going to say and exactly what I'm doing just making a new toon for LDoA really couldn't care less that my war can't do it.

lol this.

all i see from the OP post is whining, and not surprising to see them after this update.

Yes I completely understand what you are talking about. Anet has in effect, made Legendary Survivor available for everyone who has not achieved it before, therefore allowing them an additional title for their main character if they so choose; however, the same cannot be said about LDoA.

On another note, you MUST make a prophecies character to achieve this title. So if you want to get the maximum amount of titles, you cant make a Rit, Sin, Derv, or Paragon.

What they could do to remedy this situation is make a title exclusive to each campaign. But that'sjust beating a dead horse - there are enough titles already.

So basically what we have to do is make a new character in Prophecies, get LDoA and Legendary Survivor and then get all the other titles again

AC

I see LDoA as a title that should not exist outside of pre-Searing, but perhaps it would make some players angry to have those accomplishments taken away.

Wouldn't it be infinitely interesting/opinion-changing if they managed to code it so that once you get LDoA in pre-searing, the quest to leave it automatically can't be taken?

I.E Sure, get LDoA, but you can never leave. You can still dedicate the title anyway. I think that would really keep things 'pure'

(Que change of Pre-Searing soundtrack to endless loops of Hotel California)

still say the whole thing was stupid. they should have kept the titles as they were (mutually exclusive) and they still could have added the freakin quests without adding the "you can still get survivor after you die" bit.

Because of this LDoA fix, my friends and I became interested in building new perma-pre characters. Before that, I would never have bothered with the stupid grind.

I am sure ANet was rewarded by our generous contribution to their revenue through their ingenuity.

While I do kinda see your point these titles were never really connected to each other at all. They were mutually exclusive by coincidence imo if the titles were made to get one or the other from the start then maybe I could see it but its not for example if LS had a title based upon the amount of deaths you had then I could see it but while ldoa did involve a lot of deaths it was not the opposite of LS

I dont really see how they would go about putting in an option to get ldoa as a title anyway it wouldn't work story wise or it would make it possible for characters from factions and nf to get it and that wouldn't make much seance no matter how much I would like an extra title on my assassin

they just got rid of the only title in the game that you could actually fail now you have unlimited chances at every title given you meet the requirements of the title.

tbh it just sounds like your jealous that some chars are gonna have 37 titles and you are only gonna be able to get 36...

No, it is extremely easy to get LDoA now. You can get it on a new character without any outside help in a few days. It's probably the easiest title in the whole game to get...

LS would still be the easiest and to get LDoA to be done in a few days, the only way I can see is if you get a LV 20 monkey to create the instance for you to kill higher level quest mobs and you constantly abandon and retake the quest to level on the quest mobs.

And that should still take a while. Although yes, with 1,000 points for the quest and approx 3,000 exp from mobs you kill on average, it would take about a month or so. A few days though? You're quite hardcore.

You would have to grind like hell in those few days then. Going through the same quests over and over only gaining the experience you get from killing about 10-20 enemies (depending on the quest). I'm saying, for the casual player, it's going to take at least a month of doing the daily quest every day (not farming it) to gain the title. In comparison to other titles, when it comes to difficulty I suppose it's comparable to all of them. No titles in guild wars are difficult to get. They all just take time and grinding. The same goes for LDoA. If you can pull the enemies correctly, and you have a stable internet, you can easily get the title. The "prestige" for the title came from the fact that it took so damn long to get.

i see what people think
the "mutually exclusive" really wasnt anet's "plan" as LDoA was made cuz some people found out how to get lvl 20 in pre, and anet only made a title out of it... NOT to make survivor impossible after that

my point is, they never wanted to avoid people with LDoA to be unable to get survivor

imo, this is better, cuz now people have more freedom to choose what they like to do

and LDoA in pre only, that sux, where's the fun in that? if someone just wants LDoA and then leave pre, then they better get the title, and delete the char for a new one, which goes to post..... makes no sense to lock it up in pre sear

man, i'm glad anet doesnt listen to these personal suggestions
i mean, just cuz some have both now, people are happy, and just cuz some people couldnt get both back then, doesnt mean that it should stay the way it was

listen people, things change, and if anet should return evrything to its original state, GW would be nearly dead by now, because people just got more, and taking away stuff cuz of a few people's feelings, that would be stupid

if you want LDoA and no survivor, die everytime you get close to rank 1
if you want both, enjoy the game

at least let others have fun
just cuz you dont have good feelings about it, shouldn't mean that others must pay for that
/endrantthx

i hope you understand this

Day one:

Make an Ele, farm L3 Ice Elementals, then Charr at the Gate, and then Oakhearts and Charr (OK, you theoretically have to get someone to open the gate for you), then do all the normal Pre quests, and then a daily quest if you can sneak one in. This should take you to L12 to L14.

Day two/three:

Take a daily quest and farm that exp like you mean it. You don't have to abandon the quest if you don't completely fulfill it. Just rezone.

Now, that will be a very intense grind, but I think it's definitely doable.

Yeah, fair enough. I hadn't read this post yet before I made my previous post.

If there is something "unfair" about this is that they didn't make something to allow post-searing characters to go back to pre-searing. I couldn't care less about other people getting survivor, but people who got survivor before the update are now one title short compared to people who got LDoA instead....having both LDoA and survivor available would saves people so much time from not having to do the really ridiculous titles (ex. Wisdom) to get GWAMM.

A few days? I believe you need to work a bit on your mathskills my dear friend

I'm talking about a few days worth of playing the game, not logging on for a couple of hours and then logging off, nor hanging out in Ascalon, trying to buy runes, and so on.

Like I said, I think it's definitely doable in a few days. Feel free to prove me wrong using your "mathskills" and such.

GWAMM no longer requires ridiculous (e.g. account-wide grindy) titles. Now with LS available to everyone and Ale-Hound spammable, there's really no need to waste one's time with Wisdom, Kurzick/Luxon, etc. LDoA is superfluous.

You will need to get 140,600 XP all in all for LDoA, sure you can farm the mobs spawning from the Daily Quests, but that still doesnt really give that much XP, and the quests themselves givs 1000 XP, that means it it will take rather many hours, and completing it in a "few days" would probably be impossible. (unless of course you mean a few days ACTIVE time, so that /age = ~78h or something)

You know, I've been having second thoughts about how "boring" one is vs the other.

With DL you spend 30 minutes stacking up the Charr, usually in the evening at the end of a normal play session. Then you go about your business, come back in the morning and spend 5 minutes killing the Charr. It is boring in the sense it goes slow and takes months to achieve LDoA, but it doesn't actually impose its boredom on you.

What do people do now? They spend hours getting level 10 then grinding the mobs spawning by the daily quest over and over. Same mobs, same area, which you have to scrub thoroughly, and you have to be there all those hours and do the same thing over and over. Gets you LDoA in one day (yes, that's right, 9-10 hours)... but I wouldn't exactly call it not boring.

Or, you can do just the daily quest, casually, sometime during your play session. Do one of those a day and at a little over 1000 XP it means I will take me about 6 weeks to get LDoA from where I am now (somewhere in the middle of level 15). It's somewhat faster than DL and has no added restrictions (like doing it at the end and leaving the comp on overnight).

So... which one strikes you as the most boring? Maybe they all are. Maybe they should call it "Legendary Bore of Ascalon".

Personally I say screw all that. Some days I can be arsed to do the quest, some days not. Just like with the daily Gift of the Hunter, somedays I have the items, somedays not and cannot be arsed to go farm for them. I'll get those titles eventually, what's the hurry?

Basically, I hate grind of any kind. There's lots of stuff you can still do in Pre and actually enjoy: chat, trade stuff, help someone cap a bear, dance parties (synchronised or random), mini races, just traveling around taking pics and listening to Gwen play her flute, trying to ball up all the mobs in the area, trying to salvage and combine the mods from several items into one, being a drunk naked gate monkey etc. And if I have to actually go fight something, I'll take the Charr anytime, preferably with a buddy. Those guys have personalities, not like these mobs that the Vanguard quest spawns.

Yeah, I meant time spent playing the game. I should have been more specific in my first post. If you're casually playing the game, you're definitely not going to get the title in a few days.

This is from a post in Presearing:

Party level Utini's level
10...13 11
14...16 14
17...20 18

As and example, I think this would work pretty well:

Get the quest, map to Barradin Estate, kill the higher level Grawl on the way to him (he seems to always be in the same general direction from Barradin Estate), drop him, abandon quest, map to Ascalon, repeat.

Anyway, this is a little off topic, so I'll leave it at that.

...

Then again, I just saw this posted in another thread:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8972/gw117c.jpg (note: 17 hours 57 minutes)

So.... doable in a day.

LDoA 15 - 20 lvl took me 8h with the update, so yes, much faster than DL

Boo hoo.

I previously seared my main and got LS. Now I can't get LDoA (on that character).
That's a small price to pay for the awesome update.

Legendary Defender of Shin Jea please.
MIRITE?

Now both titles aren't shit and so super completely ridiculous.

The same could be said (and was) about Survivor prior to the update:

"If you want Survivor, make a new character and get it. If you're complaining that you can't get Survivor on a character who has already died, well, that's just how it goes. If you want Survivor make a new character and get Survivor."

The updates weren't really all that exciting to me, mostly because the one real surprise of the Mercenaries, is a real let down. The title changes aren't going to change my playstyle one bit - which has always been not to die while playing. But using their reasoning in changing the Survivor title should also allow for some way for older characters to go back and achieve the LDoA title as well.


It wouldn't be any different than it is now with characters time traveling between the campaigns. EotN is eight years advanced of Lion's Arch, and Nightfall is what, 2-3 years after LA. So whenever my characters are going between Old Ascalon, Lion's Arch, Eye of the North, et al. they are already time traveling.
Hanok

I have to agree, the reparations for starting a non Prophecies character was being able to have a title that prophecies characters had to choose over.

Now my factions dervish has survivor, but can't get LDoA

But LDoA can get survivor now.

To get LDoA, you have to start with < level 20. What are you going to do with most of the characters that are already level 20? Do we even remember the levels when each of them left pre-searing? Even then you would have players whinning that they have done all the pre-searing quests and should have saved them up and so on. That is why I can't be bothered with it and just created a new character for LDoA.

ok ok don't flame me anymore I just thought it was redundant that they updated legendary survivor because older characters complained of not being able to get it but now they just have one more title they are missing
i dont really care as im not getting gwamm anyway but i hope anet doesn't implement these kinds of titles in gw2

oh there will be and all titles are account wide in gw2. i am glad the title system is getting watered down in GW2. That way I can focus on hanging with my pals. and thank heavens that you can't vanquish in an open world mmo. i won't miss the VQ title.

Since you can add it to the HoM from pre, anyways, I won't rally mind if you lost the title when you leave pre.

That way, to stay as a LDoA, all you have to do is stay in pre.

It would actually make sense to keep being a 'defender of scalon' while ascalon is still green, and then go "Please don't call me that" two years after that, when you could do nothing against the Searing.

Who the hell would be so self-important to call themselves 'legendary defender of Ascalon' when they could do nothing to prevent the tragedy?