5 mesmers and the headache it presents

The other interesting thing to try, and saw this in pom pom's 4 mesmers team, is to bring arcane mimicry on your mesmers. I don't know how well that would work out. in short it's pointless, needs micromanaging to make it anywhere near effective. in uw\doa it might work for a caster spike though but still think its mainly pointless.

vor gets punished if you have more then 1 mesmer hex on the target. with 5 mesmers, that kindof likely to happen 50 damage per skill still has a high damage potential compared to a 100 damage 1-shot nuke. (Or, it would if you weren't being panic'd to death.)

in short it's pointless, needs micromanaging to make it anywhere near effective. in uw\doa it might work for a caster spike though but still think its mainly pointless. If it is that pointless, then I wouldnt bother with it in uw/doa either since it is 15e and only lasts for 20s.

From what I understood, what you showed is that Panic does not synergize with a lot of mesmers. Which is fine with 5 mesmers you can pack so much hate/interrupts why would you bring Panic? It seems counterproductive by nature, so forget panic and take the other glorious stuff the mesmer has to offer?
PI, Tease, VoR, Shared Burden, Stolen Speed, keystone.


5 mesmers seems like your not covering your bases though, but even then you can go Me/Rt, Me/Mo Me/N and get what you need and then you still have 2 more slots to fill up. A necro would take the pressure off once minions going off, and with all the hate 5 mesmers can bring I don't think theres much of a worry at all. Should be fine? I totally disagree about the first point. Panic makes mesmer teams work even better thanks to party-wide shutdown, and it gives skills like Unnatural Sig and shatter delusions spiking while the opponents have no recourse. I am almost 90% sure now Keystone is not very good *UNLESS* you micro it into a spike, otherwise it does great things sometimes, and misses the damage mark other times. Visions of Regret is ok, but in Hard Mode, most of the time no one wants opponents to activate any skills, cause while they may take 39 or 80 damage, they can still top out at 150+ against you easy. Stolen Speed is outclassed by VOR and Panic unless again you are microing a spike that can benefit from the speed(But with the fact that it does nothing to aftercast, its still not very good.) you will obtain. PI Is by far a universal hoser that I only wish Heroes prioritized more, because it could be the best elite in the mesmer line by leaps and bounds. Shared Burden was the skill I ran with for the longest, but it like Panic makes Hard Mode easier than Normal Mode. Since save for PI none of these skills synergize, Panic is 99% of the time the best elite to run with. The only time you wouldnt run it is in a high-hex removal area, in which case PI is the best. VOR pre-nerf would by outstanding, but currently, too many Mesmer hexes are good to just throw VOR on and leave it alone.

5 mesmers can cover all bases well, just without the consistent energy of N/x variants. Thankfully, PI serves as the "whats what" since you can add "Waste Not, Want Not" on everyone and see nice returns on every single battle. In Normal Mode you can actually run a dedicated healer and a couple insurance heals on someone else, and put more damage in the 6 and 7 slots. HM 5 mesmers, a healer, hopefully a Communing spirit spammer, and a heal/nuke hybrid does great things. The attack speed increase on the HM creatures just makes your spells so much better. Toss in a couple x/p hybrids on either the mesmers or others, and when trouble brews, Fall Back! stands to get you out of trouble, usually leaving Spirits and/or minions to take the focus of whatever mob/s you please. There is a lot more depth to 5 mesmers, but I am still exploring myself, so I cannot be too specific.

From what I understood, what you showed is that Panic does not synergize with a lot of mesmers. Which is fine with 5 mesmers you can pack so much hate/interrupts why would you bring Panic? It seems counterproductive by nature, so forget panic and take the other glorious stuff the mesmer has to offer?
PI, Tease, VoR, Shared Burden, Stolen Speed, keystone.


5 mesmers seems like your not covering your bases though, but even then you can go Me/Rt, Me/Mo Me/N and get what you need and then you still have 2 more slots to fill up. A necro would take the pressure off once minions going off, and with all the hate 5 mesmers can bring I don't think theres much of a worry at all. Should be fine? Not really what i said at all ;p Panic is great, and with 5 mesmers and PI on top it just gets better. As the near complete shutdown massively buffs skills like Wastrel's Worry and Collapse. But at the same time it sucks since it interrupts skills like Mistrust before they activate.

What i came up with myself is that 5 mesmers, alternaught it works, is a niche gameplay alternative. At best i got to third level in ToPK with a total of 5 heals and 3 prot skills spread across all bars. But it still didnt quite feel like it was doing the trick, ATM im running PI, Panic and Ineptitude mesmers and im happy with 3 instead of 5. After that I got SoGM and 3x Discord necros as backline, but the Discord backline is probably changing though. My guess is that i'll keep 2x Discord as a Jagged Bones alternative and to spike down the leftover mobs that dont get caught in AoE and make a cursenec build to fit in there. Still a work in progress though