I only play RA nowadays and I don't play that much anymore, but I am wondering if the best way to find balance in this game is to just get rid of secondary professions. So, for PvE you can use your profession's abilities and use PvE only skills. For PvP you can use your primary profession skills and that is all.
If this isn't the answer, what about an arena format where you can only use your primary profession attributes? I would play it.
What do you all think?
Get Rid of Secondary Professions?
jazilla
Our Blood
naaaaah, Secondary professions is what make Guild Wars well.. Guild Wars!
it sets the game apart from all the Wow Clones and free to play games.
using the secondary profs makes finding skills that have a good synergy fun!
even in pvp i just can't see a monk, warrior, ranger, sin, ele,... only use there primary professin attributes. That just would be boring
it sets the game apart from all the Wow Clones and free to play games.
using the secondary profs makes finding skills that have a good synergy fun!
even in pvp i just can't see a monk, warrior, ranger, sin, ele,... only use there primary professin attributes. That just would be boring
MithranArkanere
Yes. Secondaries give too many options, so it's too hard to balance them, so they are more trouble than they are worth.
So the best is to get rid of them altogether. And give each professions ways to cope with the things they can't. For example, a way for warriors to lose conditions.
But that's been done already! It's called GW2.
So the best is to get rid of them altogether. And give each professions ways to cope with the things they can't. For example, a way for warriors to lose conditions.
But that's been done already! It's called GW2.
jensyea
Im really like... hmmm dunno
read the title and was like roflmao whose this kid most likely just joined etc but saw it was like you, veteran poster read lot's of good and intellegent stuff from you on here so I gave it a thought and read your arguments and mithrans. you're right, secondaries make this game too hard to balance, makes it unbalanced. but it is what makes the game the game you know! have a blast in GW2, it will defo be a better game then 1, but I won't be playing it, 1 has my heart.
read the title and was like roflmao whose this kid most likely just joined etc but saw it was like you, veteran poster read lot's of good and intellegent stuff from you on here so I gave it a thought and read your arguments and mithrans. you're right, secondaries make this game too hard to balance, makes it unbalanced. but it is what makes the game the game you know! have a blast in GW2, it will defo be a better game then 1, but I won't be playing it, 1 has my heart.
Cuilan
The game is made around secondaries, so you would have to change a great number of skills. I don't see how mentioning some other radically different game will help Guild Wars players.
jazilla
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Yes. Secondaries give too many options, so it's too hard to balance them, so they are more trouble than they are worth.
So the best is to get rid of them altogether. And give each professions ways to cope with the things they can't. For example, a way for warriors to lose conditions. But that's been done already! It's called GW2. |
R666
would totally screw all the hero builds use by most teams tho
Sabway & Discord are the 1st that spring to mind
Sabway & Discord are the 1st that spring to mind
Steps_Descending
I'll agree the secoundary prefession is more an artefact of the original design, but this far in history? espesially with GW2 looming around... No just a bad idea.
With their marketing plan, I think they just didn't have a way to make PvP-focus+2class combos and keep it balanced. But yeah, GW2 is rolling around for that.
With their marketing plan, I think they just didn't have a way to make PvP-focus+2class combos and keep it balanced. But yeah, GW2 is rolling around for that.
Bright Star Shine
Very, very bad idea tbh. Secondaries is what makes the game so strong. Ok, it's hard to balance, and there is a lot of abuse, but that's just ingenuity if you ask me..
gremlin
The game is broken and to fix it would need some drastic action and to be honest its not worth it.
PVE works fine or at least well enough for many players to have fun playing. its pvp that seems to have problems.
I don't think secondary skills are a problem but too many skills might be.
Balancing the effects of 50 skills is a lot easier than balancing 100 skills, am not going to count just how many skills we do have in the game but its too many to ever be able to stay ahead of the game play and keep things running smoothly.
The festival pvp games seem to go without too many problems so reducing the overall number of pvp usable skills could have a lot going for it.
But as I say its not worth the huge time and effort to do anything.
I think several variations have been suggested in the past with limited skills but don't remember if the discussion reached any conclusions.
PVE works fine or at least well enough for many players to have fun playing. its pvp that seems to have problems.
I don't think secondary skills are a problem but too many skills might be.
Balancing the effects of 50 skills is a lot easier than balancing 100 skills, am not going to count just how many skills we do have in the game but its too many to ever be able to stay ahead of the game play and keep things running smoothly.
The festival pvp games seem to go without too many problems so reducing the overall number of pvp usable skills could have a lot going for it.
But as I say its not worth the huge time and effort to do anything.
I think several variations have been suggested in the past with limited skills but don't remember if the discussion reached any conclusions.
jazilla
The reason I brought it up is because many of the devs from ANet have said it's a broken mechanic. That is why they changed GW2. How's the saying go, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."? If the devs of GW1 say that it's broken, doesn't it need to be fixed? If this is too drastic, then can't we just get an arena like I mentioned in my OP where secondaries are disabled? I feel like we would all be pleasantly surprised at the change. With an arena addition, you don't mess with PvE and we get a new arena in PvP. If nobody plays it, well then it wouldn't be an issue. No one plays Codex and that isn't an issue.
Swingline
TBH I have been thinking about this. With GW2 not having secondary professions it could fit into the winds of change storyline well. Maybe the elder dragons awakening changed it somehow, like locking the powers of the mortal races forever to weaken them for their arrival. Many people may hate it but it would bring balance if some skills were changed. Now lets be honest the secondary professions are what made Guild Wars... well Guild Wars, but that was when the game was new, now it's horribly imbalanced and every effort to balance the game has failed. It would definitely be a nine inch nail through the knee for SF tanks, no more SoS/DwG across all professions, no more necros abusing soul reaping to fuel skills outside their profession and no more ER prot. For heroes it means pretty much running a balanced team, you can still run all the OP elites like discord/SS/SoS but just on the professions they belong to. I can assume people would complain about ANet kicking creativity in the balls but it would just be an excuse. What it would do is awaken people to be creative with their main professions skills. If they did decide to do it I would actually welcome the challenge and this is comming from someone with custod dhuums scythe and q9 storm daggers on my warrior. Seriously though do we even need a second profession with pve skills? XD
Cuilan
I don't think players will want to log on to suddenly find all their saved builds destroyed. Countless builds that use two professions are fine.
Bandwagon
This is something the design team would of had to decide back in 2005.
Secondaries are integral to GW1's identity at this point, removing secondaries would greatly warp the game (and require even more balancing). Tbh there is more potential in just devaluing secondaries among several (if not all) professions as they each get tweaked with every major skill update (then again, general power creep is the reason for this devaluation).
Secondaries are integral to GW1's identity at this point, removing secondaries would greatly warp the game (and require even more balancing). Tbh there is more potential in just devaluing secondaries among several (if not all) professions as they each get tweaked with every major skill update (then again, general power creep is the reason for this devaluation).
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Kojima
No. Secondaries should stay. Many builds and countless hours were put in by players to get the right combos. I do not agree that the use of secondaries is the broken part of the game. I believe it to be the fact that a couple of brains that created something could not have had the luxury of knowing what a couple of thousands who ended up playing the game would.
jazilla
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No. Secondaries should stay. Many builds and countless hours were put in by players to get the right combos. I do not agree that the use of secondaries is the broken part of the game. I believe it to be the fact that a couple of brains that created something could not have had the luxury of knowing what a couple of thousands who ended up playing the game would.
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This one change would fix a lot of ails, and would also make skills that previously would have been too powerful in conjunction with a secondary profession viable with a buff. It would free up the devs in skill design too. Heck, it doesn't even affect most of the mobs in the game as most of them already only have 1 profession.
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
no thx
my reason(s) has/have nothing to do with those pvx (like discord etc) builds
mine has to do with people being able to make their own ways to play
and they would need to start all over balancing the game the right way
also, it has nothing to do with WoC, as that is a part of the game's story, not its system and such
and should they need to make everything like GW2, they better shut down GW and remake it into GW2, which would be bad
the reason they make GW2's system different, is to make a whole new game with more balanced skills and emeies and such
you really think that removing 2ndary would balance the game, or make it easier?
they will have to make the base of the game around 1 prof again
whetehr its for pvp only or both pvp and pve, that'd take ages (look at GW's age) and i doubt much players will stay
so if you want anet to lose most of the income they get from just GW and let em delete GW2 as they dont have the money anymore, or if they still have enough, they would enjoy with the very few fans left, then yea, lets do it.... i mean, its not like GW needs 2ndary, right?
/endsarcasm (in case you didnt understand)
so: Nooooo... ahum /notsigned
my reason(s) has/have nothing to do with those pvx (like discord etc) builds
mine has to do with people being able to make their own ways to play
and they would need to start all over balancing the game the right way
also, it has nothing to do with WoC, as that is a part of the game's story, not its system and such
and should they need to make everything like GW2, they better shut down GW and remake it into GW2, which would be bad
the reason they make GW2's system different, is to make a whole new game with more balanced skills and emeies and such
you really think that removing 2ndary would balance the game, or make it easier?
they will have to make the base of the game around 1 prof again
whetehr its for pvp only or both pvp and pve, that'd take ages (look at GW's age) and i doubt much players will stay
so if you want anet to lose most of the income they get from just GW and let em delete GW2 as they dont have the money anymore, or if they still have enough, they would enjoy with the very few fans left, then yea, lets do it.... i mean, its not like GW needs 2ndary, right?
/endsarcasm (in case you didnt understand)
so: Nooooo... ahum /notsigned
gremlin
With hindsight secondary skills are too powerful but no one knew this 5 years ago.
imo a secondary skill line should be nowhere near as powerful as a primary one.
I know the idea was that each characters main skill track would make the difference, well as we all know it wasn't enough.
I would have set them at about 1 quarter the power but then this because I treat gw as a role playing game.
I imagine my characters spending a lot of years learning say elemental magic and a couple of months picking up a few tricks of a mesmer.
The very fact that you can change secondary makes it even more silly that you can be nearly as powerful in 9 secondary classes as you can in your primary.
imo a secondary skill line should be nowhere near as powerful as a primary one.
I know the idea was that each characters main skill track would make the difference, well as we all know it wasn't enough.
I would have set them at about 1 quarter the power but then this because I treat gw as a role playing game.
I imagine my characters spending a lot of years learning say elemental magic and a couple of months picking up a few tricks of a mesmer.
The very fact that you can change secondary makes it even more silly that you can be nearly as powerful in 9 secondary classes as you can in your primary.
Rites
this late in the game, eliminating secondaries would just kill GW
as stated before, secondaries is what set GW apart from other roleplaying games
the problem is, they should have limited the skills available for secondaries, but its too late for that now.
as stated before, secondaries is what set GW apart from other roleplaying games
the problem is, they should have limited the skills available for secondaries, but its too late for that now.
LifeInfusion
Terrible idea.
They would need to more or less slam a nerf stick and hammer flat shadow form, Obsidian flesh, spellbreaker. Why? Because without enchantment removals on warriors, paragons, elementalists, rangers, and monks they'd be ridiculous. Mantras would be crappy.
And then warriors would be shafted again. More so than Dervishes (which have hex/condition removal) and rangers/paragons/assassins (condition removal). Wild Blow might as well not exist. Protector's Defense as well, and pretty much the whole Tactics line.
Then every class would need to bring res sig instead of a hard res like Death pact signet, Res chant, or Flesh of my flesh unless you run UA.
Also, monk/ele heroes would have even crappier energy management. Everyone and their dog would run Spirit Channeling or some sort of Rit healer. So UA isn't exactly as viable.
Plus every elementalist skill that relies on Assassin's Promise would need to be superbuffed (dual heats, eruption+churning earth, meteor shower) or glyph of renewal/arcane echoed/glyph of swiftness. Conjures might as well be deleted.
Everyone not a mesmer will get interrupted much more easily due to no stances/mantra of concentration.
Summary:
A --> doesn't need secondary unless you use conjures
D --> doesn't need secondary uness D/N orders
P --> needs /W for "SY!" , otherwise just ~30% reduction from TNTF
Rt --> needs secondary for hex removal
R --> doesn't need secondary but would suck (Barrage without conjures, splinter, judge's insight, etc. only peaks at about 40Damage per use vs 100Armor)
N --> needs secondary for more use besides SS spam (arcane echo for SS, AP for MoP)
Mo --> needs secondary for anything. RoJ needs arcane echo to not be on 20 cooldown; /W for PvP ; /Me or other.
Me --> doesn't need secondary ; Glyph of lesser energy helps though ; Psychic Instability bars are locked to Dom/Illusion which is bad ; FD bars are very constrained
E --> needs secondary for heroes ; /A or /Me for faster recharges
W --> doesn't need secondary unless you use conjures
They would need to more or less slam a nerf stick and hammer flat shadow form, Obsidian flesh, spellbreaker. Why? Because without enchantment removals on warriors, paragons, elementalists, rangers, and monks they'd be ridiculous. Mantras would be crappy.
And then warriors would be shafted again. More so than Dervishes (which have hex/condition removal) and rangers/paragons/assassins (condition removal). Wild Blow might as well not exist. Protector's Defense as well, and pretty much the whole Tactics line.
Then every class would need to bring res sig instead of a hard res like Death pact signet, Res chant, or Flesh of my flesh unless you run UA.
Also, monk/ele heroes would have even crappier energy management. Everyone and their dog would run Spirit Channeling or some sort of Rit healer. So UA isn't exactly as viable.
Plus every elementalist skill that relies on Assassin's Promise would need to be superbuffed (dual heats, eruption+churning earth, meteor shower) or glyph of renewal/arcane echoed/glyph of swiftness. Conjures might as well be deleted.
Everyone not a mesmer will get interrupted much more easily due to no stances/mantra of concentration.
Summary:
A --> doesn't need secondary unless you use conjures
D --> doesn't need secondary uness D/N orders
P --> needs /W for "SY!" , otherwise just ~30% reduction from TNTF
Rt --> needs secondary for hex removal
R --> doesn't need secondary but would suck (Barrage without conjures, splinter, judge's insight, etc. only peaks at about 40Damage per use vs 100Armor)
N --> needs secondary for more use besides SS spam (arcane echo for SS, AP for MoP)
Mo --> needs secondary for anything. RoJ needs arcane echo to not be on 20 cooldown; /W for PvP ; /Me or other.
Me --> doesn't need secondary ; Glyph of lesser energy helps though ; Psychic Instability bars are locked to Dom/Illusion which is bad ; FD bars are very constrained
E --> needs secondary for heroes ; /A or /Me for faster recharges
W --> doesn't need secondary unless you use conjures
MithranArkanere
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So you are saying ANet should tie-in our GW1 characters losing access to secondary professions with a lore update? Brilliant!
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I wouldn't mind if only primaries could use elites of that profession, and if the secondary skills where limited to 3 only though.
I'd also love to see 3 extra skill slots, one at least one for elites, one for self-heal and one for a resurrection skill (this last one separate from the rest of the skill bar, as a floating button you can put anywhere on screen)
But still, to late for such changes. GW2 is for that.
Cuilan
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I'm saying there's no need to make such a change in GW1, since GW2 is being made for that.
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What needs to happen is a more aggressive balancing that should have happened ages ago, not something that'll cause mass deleting of builds. Still haven't seen any evidence that removing secondaries will create more balance. It may greatly change meta builds, but that doesn't mean the game is balanced.
MithranArkanere
Removing secondaries doesn't create more balance.
It just makes balance easier, by removing most combinations of skills.
It just makes balance easier, by removing most combinations of skills.
Cuilan
If skills are wisely changed with consideration of secondaries, I don't see it mattering.
WarcryOfTruth
If anything, change the limit to how many secondary profession skills can be placed on a bar, but even this I don't know.
Swingline
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If anything, change the limit to how many secondary profession skills can be placed on a bar, but even this I don't know.
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cosyfiep
no, secondaries are WHY I play this game and not some other .....being able to synergize primary and secondary skills is what makes guildwars guildwars without it --you have a wow clone (or the like)....if you get rid of them now, you kill an already slowing down game.
so an emphatic NO! (if you dont want 2ndaries wait for gw2 and go play that instead).
so an emphatic NO! (if you dont want 2ndaries wait for gw2 and go play that instead).
Lasai
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TBH I have been thinking about this. With GW2 not having secondary professions it could fit into the winds of change storyline well. Maybe the elder dragons awakening changed it somehow, like locking the powers of the mortal races forever to weaken them for their arrival. Many people may hate it but it would bring balance if some skills were changed. Now lets be honest the secondary professions are what made Guild Wars... well Guild Wars, but that was when the game was new, now it's horribly imbalanced and every effort to balance the game has failed. It would definitely be a nine inch nail through the knee for SF tanks, no more SoS/DwG across all professions, no more necros abusing soul reaping to fuel skills outside their profession and no more ER prot. For heroes it means pretty much running a balanced team, you can still run all the OP elites like discord/SS/SoS but just on the professions they belong to. I can assume people would complain about ANet kicking creativity in the balls but it would just be an excuse. What it would do is awaken people to be creative with their main professions skills. If they did decide to do it I would actually welcome the challenge and this is comming from someone with custod dhuums scythe and q9 storm daggers on my warrior. Seriously though do we even need a second profession with pve skills? XD
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I dont use my secondary class except for certain situations. Few of my heros are set up with secondaries It would change little of my gameplay, but removing a choice is bad. Less options are bad. Some of the solo quests.. like glacial griffon.. would become hidious for some professions. WIK would have to be revamped entirely to remove secondary profs from the mobs as well. Some hench would be affected. No 2nd prof means no 2nd prof.. right?
You could achieve "balance" by limiting the game to one prof and 8 skills as well. Seriously.. that is the only way you would ever see "balance".
No matter what you impose. with 10 professions and the sheer number of skill combinations it will be imbalanced in some way.
jazilla
I totally appreciate all the opinions, but I want to throw a reason out there for eliminating secondaries: More viable skills for your primary profession. Think about it. Most skills get jacked because other classes are abusing them with their secondary professions.
Removing secondary professions means that skills that see little to no use can get buffed without fear of another profession using it to greater effect than that of the primary user.
I always see a huge number of threads about this or that being OP. A certain class is way underpowered here, a certain class is stomping on heads there. We always talk about balance, but now some of the same people I see that say they want balance don't want to do the very thing that could actually bring balance to the game.
As far as variety goes: I see people being creative and having fun making builds in game, and most of the time I also see people that make fun of them for it because it isn't optimal damage. The word "noob" gets thrown around in the game because of people having fun and making builds way more than I ever see, "Oh cool man, you are using 'Way of the Master' for a Spear build. Have fun!"
Even if this doesn't happen(and I know it won't ever happen) I feel that roles need to be redefined again in this game. The original damage dealer in Guild Wars is now relegated to snares and blind spam. Monks abuse stances from other professions that the main profession never uses. Skills that creative players use in PvE get changed because players in PvP find ways to make those skills unbalance the game. The whole Motivation line is rendered obsolete because of PvP in the past. Dervishes do what Rangers used to do with Barrage and Preparations. Classes need secondaries to succeed as opposed to using secondaries to enhance and I think that isn't how the game should play out.
Removing secondary professions means that skills that see little to no use can get buffed without fear of another profession using it to greater effect than that of the primary user.
I always see a huge number of threads about this or that being OP. A certain class is way underpowered here, a certain class is stomping on heads there. We always talk about balance, but now some of the same people I see that say they want balance don't want to do the very thing that could actually bring balance to the game.
As far as variety goes: I see people being creative and having fun making builds in game, and most of the time I also see people that make fun of them for it because it isn't optimal damage. The word "noob" gets thrown around in the game because of people having fun and making builds way more than I ever see, "Oh cool man, you are using 'Way of the Master' for a Spear build. Have fun!"
Even if this doesn't happen(and I know it won't ever happen) I feel that roles need to be redefined again in this game. The original damage dealer in Guild Wars is now relegated to snares and blind spam. Monks abuse stances from other professions that the main profession never uses. Skills that creative players use in PvE get changed because players in PvP find ways to make those skills unbalance the game. The whole Motivation line is rendered obsolete because of PvP in the past. Dervishes do what Rangers used to do with Barrage and Preparations. Classes need secondaries to succeed as opposed to using secondaries to enhance and I think that isn't how the game should play out.
Kaleban
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I always see a huge number of threads about this or that being OP. A certain class is way underpowered here, a certain class is stomping on heads there. We always talk about balance, but now some of the same people I see that say they want balance don't want to do the very thing that could actually bring balance to the game.
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The bolded part is interesting. You're accusing some of being hypocrites because they don't agree with your flawed premise that removing veritably half the game mechanics is the singular way to balance the game! That's incredibly moronic, as there are multiple issues at stake here:
1. Even in a single class system, there would be imbalance among the classes. Take RA for example, a 4 monk team even as single monks could be incredibly hard to kill. In games like WoW with single class systems there's imbalance, and that game has been around a LONG time. So the premise that single class systems is some sort of panacea for balance is false.
2. The secondary class system, customization of characters, heroes and team builds is what differentiates GW from other stock MMOs, along with the lessened dependence on the Tank/Heal/Nuke mechanic. If you get rid of secondaries, GW becomes a no monthly fee, instanced WoW.
jazilla
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First thing is, you must be careful in assuming that Guru speaks for the entire GW playerbase. It doesn't, no such small sampling can ever be truly representative, it only amounts to the hardcore players' opinions really. Many more players simply accept the state of the game and get on with things, rather than constantly whine about OP-ness.
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So to answer your question: I am not calling people in here hypocrites. I am calling people in the RA lobby hypocrites for syncing, and shunning creativity so that people fall in the same rote, boring, routine of running the same thing over and over to raise a number counter for a rank.
thedeadlyassassin
No. The whole reason for secondary professions is to make the character personal, so you can customize it how you want. If you had only one profession, Rangers would be limited to bows, Sins would be limited to Daggers, warriors would be limited to using hammer, axe or sword, and so on.
I would like the arena for only primary professions, but to piss off everyone that finally got the updates they were waiting for would ruin this game. I don't see a need to completely change Guild Wars 1, a game a lot of people still enjoy, when GW2 is so close and doesn't offer secondary professions. I understand people are veteran and prefer balanced gameplay rather than roflpwning with one class, but they're going to want quantity out of quality so they get people playing GW2 at this point.
I would like the arena for only primary professions, but to piss off everyone that finally got the updates they were waiting for would ruin this game. I don't see a need to completely change Guild Wars 1, a game a lot of people still enjoy, when GW2 is so close and doesn't offer secondary professions. I understand people are veteran and prefer balanced gameplay rather than roflpwning with one class, but they're going to want quantity out of quality so they get people playing GW2 at this point.
ensoriki
You can't globally remove secondaries, but I would love to see an area of play where Secondaries no longer exist, Bring back Team Arena's and bring it back without secondaries, I'm down for that.
How much Energy-management does Monk primary have? Not much.
I don't see 4 monks being nearly as nonsensical as they are in RA.
Secondaries help fill in the wholes in your profession, when those wholes cannot be filled to the same extent, you have more areas for an enemy to exploit. For Monks this can be their energy management. Though I still see issues with it, I think it could be more interested then Codex.
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I don't see 4 monks being nearly as nonsensical as they are in RA.
Secondaries help fill in the wholes in your profession, when those wholes cannot be filled to the same extent, you have more areas for an enemy to exploit. For Monks this can be their energy management. Though I still see issues with it, I think it could be more interested then Codex.
reaper with no name
Paragons, Rangers, and Elementalists currently rely on secondary professions just to validate their existence in PvE. I cannot in good faith support this suggestion.
/notsigned
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jazilla
So if the game is unbalance-able with a primary/secondary profession, and we keep it that way does that mean we need to just keep our pie holes shut from now on about changing this or that?
Does skill tweaking even matter?
I guess the only real solution at this point is for the devs to give us skill updates every month or two to mix up how we play and what classes are the "flavor of the month".
Can we at least get that ANet?
Does skill tweaking even matter?
I guess the only real solution at this point is for the devs to give us skill updates every month or two to mix up how we play and what classes are the "flavor of the month".
Can we at least get that ANet?
reaper with no name
Constant updates do not induce balance. They just give the players who know the game better and can adapt more quickly a leg up on the ones who don't (at least for a few days until the meta catches up).
Also, what you're suggesting is exactly what they used to give us. It is what led us to the current update paradigm, because instead of targeted updates designed to make certain options more viable and certain other options less so, we ended up with poorly thought out dartboard buffs and nerfs that led to unforeseen imbalances.
Finally, even if that could work, Anet would be either unwilling or unable to produce skill updates that rapidly.
Also, what you're suggesting is exactly what they used to give us. It is what led us to the current update paradigm, because instead of targeted updates designed to make certain options more viable and certain other options less so, we ended up with poorly thought out dartboard buffs and nerfs that led to unforeseen imbalances.
Finally, even if that could work, Anet would be either unwilling or unable to produce skill updates that rapidly.
Why?
You are asking the devs to completely rewrite the game. Change every single skill bar on every single monster.
Um, that ain't happening.
Recognize the age of GW1. A game this old will not be perfect. For what it is, it is really awesome. To get any updates at all is really cool.
Um, that ain't happening.
Recognize the age of GW1. A game this old will not be perfect. For what it is, it is really awesome. To get any updates at all is really cool.
jazilla
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Constant updates do not induce balance. They just give the players who know the game better and can adapt more quickly a leg up on the ones who don't (at least for a few days until the meta catches up)..
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I agree with you on the experienced player point though. I guess that is why I don't really play anymore because of lack of content or skill changes. The derv stuff has been a lot of fun. I guess ANet just isn't willing to pour more resources into this game even though they have said in interviews that the player base is still strong in terms of numbers and one of their head honchos told RAvious of the KillTenRAts blog, that, "that players don't realize how much money the microtransactions have actually brought them." So it isn't for lack of funds or players. They just aren't concerned with keeping Skill updates always fresh.