A-net wants to stop accounts for botting? 30 minutes in each district is your answer
stealth nerf of ToPK ecto farm
Onyx Blindbow
Europe french district has a ton of bots still running in, dying and running back in 20 seconds later non-stop
A-net wants to stop accounts for botting? 30 minutes in each district is your answer
A-net wants to stop accounts for botting? 30 minutes in each district is your answer
Amy Awien
You can not tell it's a bot from one run, let alone from wathcing them in an outpost. Analyzing logfiles is more accurate then hanging around town - and less time consuming.
Missing HB
They really changed mobs there? So , basically , by taking an action against bots there , they also made every normal player ( or casual farmer ) unable to do this anymore. Good Job !
intec
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
They really changed mobs there? So , basically , by taking an action against bots there , they also made every normal player ( or casual farmer ) unable to do this anymore. Good Job !
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majoho
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Originally Posted by godis
Typical lazy Anet.
- There are too many drunk drivers running over people on this road. Lets remove the curves so it will be easier to drive drunk here. |
makosi
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Originally Posted by majoho
That's just a plain stupid analogy.
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matter of time
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
They really changed mobs there? So , basically , by taking an action against bots there , they also made every normal player ( or casual farmer ) unable to do this anymore. Good Job !
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Lord Dagon
ah well.. was fun while it lasted... now ill have to duo spirit spam with my alt in the UW now -_-
Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
You can not tell it's a bot from one run, let alone from wathcing them in an outpost. Analyzing logfiles is more accurate then hanging around town - and less time consuming.
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ap0c
A friend of mine got banned there when she was farming for her Hom
Lost my last bit of confidence in anet right there.
Support tickets didnt help....
She doenst even know how to use texmod let alone bots
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Lost my last bit of confidence in anet right there.
Support tickets didnt help....
She doenst even know how to use texmod let alone bots
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Pierre Francese
I farmed my obsidian here on my Me/A over the course of a few weeks. Sad to get this nerfed because of bots .
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North Dragon Slayer
they're just going to find another way/place to bot...give up already
joseph Mckennie
Or, heaven forbid, people play Tombs like they would any other place that does'nt require a gimmicky farm! Or at least I would say that, had there really been a reason TO go to Tombs, other than an easy ecto farm :/ I hate generic -way speed/speed clear builds, but in this case, I think people have a legitimate excuse to be angry. There really isnt any great reward to actually playing Tombs to completion. I think if they want to nerf tomb farms, the least they could do is make it worth going to. Maybe add unique items in an endgame chest and a monument or something,
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by joseph Mckennie
Or, heaven forbid, people play Tombs like they would any other place that does'nt require a gimmicky farm!
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Oh, and anyone still hanging out in "bot districts" (any of the Asian ones, French, Polish, etc.), get out of them as soon as you can. Anet has a tendency of banning everyone in a district and sorting through the survivors later.
They've been doing that with ToPK forever. I really wouldn't recommend being in one right now.
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
When there are ten players with the same name, you can.
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Onyx Blindbow
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
You can not tell it's a bot from one run, let alone from wathcing them in an outpost. Analyzing logfiles is more accurate then hanging around town - and less time consuming.
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Gli
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
umm same name? doesnt anet stop you from making the same name thats out in the game already? i know tried with one name and it said it was taken so i had to pick another one.
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How blatant can you be about being a bot-herder and still get away with it for a long, long time?
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by Gli
The same name with a very slight variation, the same primary and secondary professions, the same appearance, and the same in-outpost behavior, 24/7.
How blatant can you be about being a bot-herder and still get away with it for a long, long time? |
majoho
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Originally Posted by makosi
No it isn't. But to be more accurate, Anet removed the road rather than just the curves which is a detriment not just to the drunk drivers but to the legitimate drivers also.
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Making the analogy that bots = drunk drivers makes no sense what so ever.
makosi
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Originally Posted by majoho
Yes it is.
Making the analogy that bots = drunk drivers makes no sense what so ever. |
There are two ways to fix the situation: expel the bots (snipe them) or change the map for everyone (ICBM).
Verene
If you're so insistent on sticking with the "bots = drunk drivers" analogy...if anything, it's more like they installed a stoplight at the start of a curvy road.
Milennin
Even with a nerf, people will always find ways around it. Or find new and better places. As long as it stops the bots it's fine by me. I never liked farming anyway. Promotes grindy gameplay.
lemming
It'd be fine as long as they're not using it as an excuse to get out of actually having to enforce their EULA, which is something I can definitely see them doing.
Lanier
stupid fix... Anet should target bots specifically rather than kill the farm for everyone. If bots in PvE are such a big deal anyway, don't penalize the rest of the playerbase in the process. I guess I'v got my FoW armor now anyway, but it is disappointing to see my farm nerfed on the pretext of getting rid of bots... especially since this is PvE and many of us PvEers don't care about bots in PvE anyway.
Apok
Just so you guys know, bots weren't the only ones abusing this broken farm. It was so easy to get ectos, it HAD to get fixed for everyone.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Apok
Just so you guys know, bots weren't the only ones abusing this broken farm. It was so easy to get ectos, it HAD to get fixed for everyone.
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Which is why so many botters used multiple accounts. The guys I knew who botted it only got about 2-3 ectos per hour per account. That's not very much, honestly.
mrmango
Farmers are the worst subset of the GW community, as always
Dark Saviour
Gah... Well, this pretty much stifles my shot at GWAMM + 5Ø/5Ø. :-/
Could barely stand to do this farm, but really, it was pretty much the only reasonably-efficient way to score cash I could stand at all. :-(
Could barely stand to do this farm, but really, it was pretty much the only reasonably-efficient way to score cash I could stand at all. :-(
Lest121
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Originally Posted by Lanier
stupid fix... Anet should target bots specifically rather than kill the farm for everyone. If bots in PvE are such a big deal anyway, don't penalize the rest of the playerbase in the process. I guess I'v got my FoW armor now anyway, but it is disappointing to see my farm nerfed on the pretext of getting rid of bots... especially since this is PvE and many of us PvEers don't care about bots in PvE anyway.
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Loot scaling.
Limit on cash for trading.
Areas nerf because of the bots.
One thing that is clear since I have started playing this game 5 years ago, they rather screw the players instead of dealing with the bots, this is why most of my guild believes Anet owns the bots and this is how they make money on the side...
majoho
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Originally Posted by makosi
I don't see what's difficult to understand. Drunk drivers and bots are both wrongdoers who have a detrimental effect on the particular social environment they're in.
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Deviant Angel
What they did with ToPK was pretty much the same as moving your food to another cabinet when you realize that you have a bug infestation. Will the bugs give up and die because you moved the food to another location? No. They will continue to scour your kitchen for food and probably succeed because they were allowed to live another day.
Bugs: 1
You: 0
I don't get the impression that their shoes have bug guts on them. Did anyone see Dhuum pop up and scythe a bunch of people this morning?
It's a little disappointing to think that moving a few mobs is the best they can do. I understand that they don't have the manpower to put up a real fight, but some of us have been sitting in those districts and reporting the people that were obviously botting. All they needed to do was ban them.
Unfortunately, they don't bother sending someone into the game to monitor the situation. They rely on log files and I'm guessing it takes more time to analyze them than it would to just log in and see it for themselves. I'm pretty sure the log file would show that my friend's account had only been played on for roughly 6 hours per day and they probably assumed that the different IP meant that he was travelling or something. Sounds pretty normal... right? HE WAS HACKED AND USED AS A BOT! It seems like the script these people used was undetectable and I doubt that the log file allowed them to see that he took the same path every single time.
I'm definitely not saying that my friend deserves a ban! I'm simply trying to point out that log files probably don't always tell the whole story.
It really does look like they have resorted to punishing everyone because they don't have the manpower to punish only the people that deserve it. I agree with everyone that pointed out that ToPK wasn't really a profitable farm unless you were running a few bots, but every little bit helps when you don't have much. What are people supposed to do once all the decent farming spots are nerfed because of bots? Buy gold and ectos from the people that were running them?
Bugs: 1
You: 0
I don't get the impression that their shoes have bug guts on them. Did anyone see Dhuum pop up and scythe a bunch of people this morning?
It's a little disappointing to think that moving a few mobs is the best they can do. I understand that they don't have the manpower to put up a real fight, but some of us have been sitting in those districts and reporting the people that were obviously botting. All they needed to do was ban them.
Unfortunately, they don't bother sending someone into the game to monitor the situation. They rely on log files and I'm guessing it takes more time to analyze them than it would to just log in and see it for themselves. I'm pretty sure the log file would show that my friend's account had only been played on for roughly 6 hours per day and they probably assumed that the different IP meant that he was travelling or something. Sounds pretty normal... right? HE WAS HACKED AND USED AS A BOT! It seems like the script these people used was undetectable and I doubt that the log file allowed them to see that he took the same path every single time.
I'm definitely not saying that my friend deserves a ban! I'm simply trying to point out that log files probably don't always tell the whole story.
It really does look like they have resorted to punishing everyone because they don't have the manpower to punish only the people that deserve it. I agree with everyone that pointed out that ToPK wasn't really a profitable farm unless you were running a few bots, but every little bit helps when you don't have much. What are people supposed to do once all the decent farming spots are nerfed because of bots? Buy gold and ectos from the people that were running them?
Star_Jewel
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Originally Posted by Deviant Angel
It's a little disappointing to think that moving a few mobs is the best they can do. I understand that they don't have the manpower to put up a real fight, but some of us have been sitting in those districts and reporting the people that were obviously botting. All they needed to do was ban them.
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Brian the Gladiator
Assuming this nerf is effective at stopping bots, it will decrease the amount of ectos in circulation and force the price to rise by the principle of supply and demand. This should make any legitimate farmer of ectos extremely happy. Although you will likely get fewer ectos, your profit over time should increase significantly.
Of course, if I am overestimating the impact of bots (how many there are and how many ectos they produce) then I am sorry.
Of course, if I am overestimating the impact of bots (how many there are and how many ectos they produce) then I am sorry.
Matirion Maeronta
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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator
Assuming this nerf is effective at stopping bots, it will decrease the amount of ectos in circulation and force the price to rise by the principle of supply and demand. This should make any legitimate farmer of ectos extremely happy. Although you will likely get fewer ectos, your profit over time should increase significantly.
Of course, if I am overestimating the impact of bots (how many there are and how many ectos they produce) then I am sorry. |
For a better comparison, let's assume a nolife farmer that farms for 16h a day, nonstop. In that same day, the botter would have had 24h nonstop farming per bot, assuming 10 bots are used that adds up to 240 hours of farming work per day.
If this nerf is effective, it would be great for any legit farmer but a disaster for any non farmer (inflation makes it harder to afford things if you don't farm). Changes like these are the most effective (legal) way to fight bots, though it won't stop them (nothing will). Banning 10k bots does nothing at all if they can just make/hack 20k new accounts the same day. Changes like these atleast stop them untill they make a new bot, which takes time)
The actual most effective way would be for ANET to spread a trap bot (a bot with a piece of code to alert them a person is a botter) and IP ban every user, however this is against the law in several places.
It would be another option for ANET to use a hack shield, quite a few other games use them (maplestory being one of them), though it will only last for a short time before the bots find a way around it (as MS has proven over and over)... Besides which, it is doubtable ANET can afford the hack shield for GW1 due to not so cheap license fees.
Swingline
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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel
In an ideal world, that would be the best solution. But until NCS/ANet have better account security, banning bots only leads the botters to hacking other accounts to use.
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EDIT: thought about this after i posted, it would be a good idea to start this now so GW2 players get protected as well since im sure it will happen in that game no matter how well they try to prevent botting.
Missing HB
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Originally Posted by Apok
Just so you guys know, bots weren't the only ones abusing this broken farm. It was so easy to get ectos, it HAD to get fixed for everyone.
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jazilla
So farming ectos at the beginning of a dungeon that was designed that way by ArenaNet is no longer acceptable, but Shadow Form Farming BDS's and UW is still copasetic?
Quite honestly, they should have just put in mechanics to hinder Assassins, Paragons, Dervishes, and Ritualists in ToPK like they did for these professions: Core Profession Hindrance
Quite honestly, they should have just put in mechanics to hinder Assassins, Paragons, Dervishes, and Ritualists in ToPK like they did for these professions: Core Profession Hindrance
Gabs88
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Originally Posted by mage767
ToPK HM is my ultimate testing ground for 7-hero team builds.
If you can manage doing ToPK HM w/heroes in HM without consumables, then you can definitely beat UW NM heroway without problems. Not that it hasn't been done already. Other than that, I haven't used TopK as an ecto farming place... |
makosi
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Originally Posted by majoho
The whole premise for an analogy is that it's supposed to be similar, as I said this is far fetched and thus it's a terrible analogy.
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The 'similarity' issue is a grey area and entirely subjective.
MithranArkanere
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Originally Posted by mrmango
Farmers are the worst subset of the GW community, as always
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For example, if they added a Ferengi faction in Star Trek Online, so you can expect all kinds of unfair deals and scams from them.