I like group. Either with guildies or PUG.
With guildies, it's fun to shittalk, and cozy when some1 is leading.
When PUG, I like meeting different people. Sometimes things go wrong but most of the times are fine and people are polite.
I like hero too, sometimes even more reliable than grouping with others. But have to micro more.
Grouping.. Why or Why not?
afya
EPO Bot
I never force people to use mandatory meta builds (MMB) because it REALLY gets on my nerves when i get thrown out of a pug if i don't have UA or HB.
Trust others to do their own thing please. It's just a game after all.
Trust others to do their own thing please. It's just a game after all.
LordDragon
Once in a blue moon I PUG but most of the time I H&H everything. I guess you could just call it H-way now. Some days I just feel like helping the odd person out that is stuck on a mission. Just did that the other day at Thunderhead Keep. Guy just wanted the bonus. Thankfully he knew that you have to do the whole mission to get it.
I still group with some RL friends from time to time while we chat on Skype. That can be a lot of fun. Especially when we all chuckle at Hummingbird trying to be a tank with a fire build Ele. She like to Leroy but she is new.
I still group with some RL friends from time to time while we chat on Skype. That can be a lot of fun. Especially when we all chuckle at Hummingbird trying to be a tank with a fire build Ele. She like to Leroy but she is new.
ogre_jd
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Originally Posted by rusty89
I still have trouble getting into a pug right away just because I'm playing a sin. So if it takes too long to find a group or I find a group and it fails, I'll just go ahead and use heroes.
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ensoriki
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Trust others to do their own thing please. It's just a game after all.
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Moonstalker
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Originally Posted by ogre_jd
And that's the problem: As an Assassin, you don't join groups, you make groups.
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Lady Aranza
I almost always play on my own, just with h/h. One reason is that I've got limited time, so I might have to leave in the middle of things. Another reason is, I want to play the build I chose, not the one someone else wants me to play.
But there is another thing that keeps me from grouping with others: Instances. At the moment, I am playing another game too. It has no instances, so there is a good chance I see strangers hunting the same mob I am hunting. In this case, I always try to make an adhoc group, because getting the quest done is faster the more ppl you are. However, I wouldn't sit around in a town trying to set up a team, it takes too much time that I could spend playing.
So yeah, GW prevents me from grouping, not so much by introducing seven heroes, but by limiting grouping to towns and outposts. This might not affect someone who has the whole day for playing, but as I play for 1 to 2 hours maximum, I don't have the time to sit around and look for a group.
But there is another thing that keeps me from grouping with others: Instances. At the moment, I am playing another game too. It has no instances, so there is a good chance I see strangers hunting the same mob I am hunting. In this case, I always try to make an adhoc group, because getting the quest done is faster the more ppl you are. However, I wouldn't sit around in a town trying to set up a team, it takes too much time that I could spend playing.
So yeah, GW prevents me from grouping, not so much by introducing seven heroes, but by limiting grouping to towns and outposts. This might not affect someone who has the whole day for playing, but as I play for 1 to 2 hours maximum, I don't have the time to sit around and look for a group.
Squishy ftw
The only time I pug is when I feel like playing my monk. I enjoy monking a lot, but monking with 7 heros is just awful as I enjoy being warry about my positioning on the field etc. With 7 heros that's severly limited + I need to be calling targets and possibly even lock targets.
While PuGs will never be my first choice when I need something done, they will be my first chocie when I just want to have a good time playing my monk.
On any other character though, I absolutely dread joining PuGs.
While PuGs will never be my first choice when I need something done, they will be my first chocie when I just want to have a good time playing my monk.
On any other character though, I absolutely dread joining PuGs.
Missing HB
I generally don't like grouping in HA because players leave after any lose ( no matter what it is , lose UW or lose after 12 consec..), even if you waited 40mn to form up. You know , 1 leave then second says " i gtg eat " then all do...
The same applies for elite PvE areas, when people get mad if you're 1mn too slow...
However , it's by far more pleasant grouping for vanquishs , HM missions or some dungeons for fun....
The same applies for elite PvE areas, when people get mad if you're 1mn too slow...
However , it's by far more pleasant grouping for vanquishs , HM missions or some dungeons for fun....
Mireles
People > Heroes.... sure heroes are more efficient... so dry and predictable thou... Its just not fun watching them blow everything up with you attacking or not... just doesn't feel like you even need to be there if heroes had a mind of their own... its nice having people around to learn ideas or even talk to as you go through the game... don't care how long you have been playing you can always learn something from other players...
Pug is a pretty much dead thing... I still like to pick up a few people with my hero/guild groups take em threw a mission/vanq and try to recruit them... I find this the most effective means of recruitment... and "noobs" that you train and accomplish common goals with...are usually more loyal and socially active than any other recruitment source...
I play for fun not efficiency of gold or accomplishment over time... to many people treat this like a sport or a job....
Pug is a pretty much dead thing... I still like to pick up a few people with my hero/guild groups take em threw a mission/vanq and try to recruit them... I find this the most effective means of recruitment... and "noobs" that you train and accomplish common goals with...are usually more loyal and socially active than any other recruitment source...
I play for fun not efficiency of gold or accomplishment over time... to many people treat this like a sport or a job....
Quaker
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Originally Posted by Lasai
I play this game for fun.
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Basically, if it's anything I particularly want to ensure I get done, I will use a 7-hero party, but if it's not important and/or I'm in the right mood, I'll see if there's a PUG around.
One thing I have learned over the years though, is to not only recognize party-nazis when I see them, but to know when it's probably best to leave a group (in town) and find another. Basically, if I join a group and the leader (or worse, someone who's not even the leader) starts asking to see builds and insist on changes, I leave.
On the other hand sometimes you have good, easy times in PUGs, like just a few days ago I decided to do some Zaishen thing (can't recall what, possibly Consulate Docks). I joined a group (when there was only 2 or 3 in it) and as more people joined, the leader never asked anyone to ping their builds (although a few did). We finished whatever it was in Hard Mode and in very quick fashion. No muss, no fuss - a good time was had by all.
Why?
I stopped pugging in prophecies when idiots started asking people to ping builds. I was that warrior with an earth build using a staff, and i freaking beat prophecies using only henchies with it.
I learned a ton h/h'ing everything. I also died a ton as well.
Now I only run with guildies and alliance mates on Elite Missions, or if one of them wants some help.
I generally don't have the patience for people in this game. Doing anything just takes absolutely forever. So annoying.
I learned a ton h/h'ing everything. I also died a ton as well.
Now I only run with guildies and alliance mates on Elite Missions, or if one of them wants some help.
I generally don't have the patience for people in this game. Doing anything just takes absolutely forever. So annoying.
Urcscumug
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I was that warrior with an earth build using a staff, and i freaking beat prophecies using only henchies with it.
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What were you doing anyway, tanking using Armor of Earth or something? That's viable, but at the very least you should warn the team that you play like that, so they can work with you (give you space to control aggro, know when to attack, to have extra attention from monks etc.)
I'm the last person to tell anybody how to play the game, in fact I'm a rabid defender of everybody's right to play it however they want. But when you group with other people (random strangers, on top of it) a minimum amount of consideration and communication is in order. Tell them you're an Earth Warrior, assure them you won't be dead-weight and explain how they should use what you do.
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Basically, if I join a group and the leader (or worse, someone who's not even the leader) starts asking to see builds and insist on changes, I leave.
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I don't see how you can have ANY expectation of decent gameplay with this approach. It's just as extreme as being a build-nazi, only at the opposite end.
Don't take me wrong, I play games where the guerilla approach to tactics works or is even _the_ way to play... but it's a shame to fall into that if you don't have to.
The happy middle ground is when people in a PUG have a talk before they start, they all show their builds voluntarily and make polite suggestions for improvement to each other (with explanations, and without insisting). But I guess that's too much to ask.
Wyrden
Playing WoW for years has given me a phobia of pugging, so I usually just H/h stuff.
oscarmk
If you play by yourself then just play a single player game instead.
Verene
Or play the game that lets you play by yourself or with others, and play it how you want to.
Laraja
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
I pug because if i want a good single player game i rather play Mass effect or something.
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^^^ This. I'd probably play Oblivion or Dragon AGe if I was into a single player games. I like the social aspects of the MMORPG and I enjoy good teamwork, especially with my guild. When we're in an elite area and the caller calls for a spike and we nail it... the feeling is just incredible. When I'm alone, my accomplishments really don't mean anything. The coolness for me comes in the sharing a job well done between team mates.
Also, the international community is fun and interesting. I like playing the game with people from all over the world.
That said, if I'm in a hurry or my computer connection is acting wonky I just load up with heros. So that option is nice, but not super fun.
Malla13
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I doubt that most random pugs would find it "fun" when I do things like take ten minute posing and taking screenshots of things like the floating stone bridge in Riven Earth mid vanquish and waiting for all the minions to die to do so. I really like playing tourist and it drives most groups insane. I think I do a lot of things that would cause the average GW player to bang their head on the desk.
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I don't want to play the game just to get from point A to point B. I want to enjoy the game and see it all and read the dialogue and experience everything. When I don't have understanding friends available, I'm very very VERY glad heroes exist because they allow me to take my time and play the game my way.
Laraja
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I'd also don't pug because people draw penis on radar.
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(begin rant) why do people do that? It's so freakin' annoying and incredibly... childish and it completly kills my faith in their ability to play GW. Whoever does that should be embarrassed. it's dumb. It's stupid. And it makes the person doing that look like a moron with an IQ of 10 (end rant)
Estic
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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
Thus, pugs make you fat.
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I don't pug but I play with guildies. Otherwise it's solo for me. This game is actually a great single player game you know.
Grav
I'll pug sometimes if I feel like it, other times I prefer to play alone. Sometimes it depends on what I'm doing in-game (ZMs for example), sometimes it depends on my mood out-of-game (crap day, maybe I'll do a vanquish by myself). Just whatever I feel will give me the most enjoyment on any given day. vOv
MrConsideration
Time-constraints and low population prevent me from grouping, and I also find most players to be a strange combination of terrible yet arrogant.
I'll group with guildies - for casual things, casually. No pressure, my MM Necro can bring a level 5 bear if she wants etc...
I'll group with guildies - for casual things, casually. No pressure, my MM Necro can bring a level 5 bear if she wants etc...
ShaJiexi
It depends on the task- I VQ with 7 heroes, because it takes an hour, and gives me the freedom to answer the phone, take a bathroom break, get a snack, and do all the fun things one might do during a single player game. And I don't need to worry about leavers.
Group: stuff like VSF, Duncan, DoA, Deep, or any PvP. In normal PvE, though, the trouble to get a group isn't worth it, unless it happens to be Zaishen __________ and enough people are there to make it efficient.
Group: stuff like VSF, Duncan, DoA, Deep, or any PvP. In normal PvE, though, the trouble to get a group isn't worth it, unless it happens to be Zaishen __________ and enough people are there to make it efficient.
Cuilan
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I also find most players to be a strange combination of terrible yet arrogant.
I'll group with guildies - for casual things, casually. No pressure, my MM Necro can bring a level 5 bear if she wants etc... |
ogre_jd
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(actually, I think I might try that on my own Necro - though I won't be bringing a L5 out since I have all the non-elite pets in the menagerie; it'd be L12. I'm not a good MM, though, so I'll have to bring a primary attack for the pet other than Enranged Lunge so that I can have a Flesh Golem. Be a neat change from the N/Rt Curses/Restoration [Life, a bit of healing, and Parasitic Bond/Necrosis spamming] I currently run)
cataphract
The only thing I PUG are DwG DoA runs and I haven't done any in several months. When I do play I tend to play with guildies and/or friends if they're online. Seven-hero update came as a blessing to me because it enables to me start playing from the moment I log on. No LFG, no pinging of retarded builds, no hissy-fits about how their builds are pro, no rage-quitting, no 5-minute AFK's that evolve into 90-minute lunches or dinners.
Also, I'm not a people person.
Also, I'm not a people person.
Aeon221
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I stopped pugging in prophecies when idiots started asking people to ping builds. I was that warrior with an earth build using a staff, and i freaking beat prophecies using only henchies with it.
I learned a ton h/h'ing everything. I also died a ton as well. Now I only run with guildies and alliance mates on Elite Missions, or if one of them wants some help. I generally don't have the patience for people in this game. Doing anything just takes absolutely forever. So annoying. |
So hurray! You've got exactly what you need: an environment where you are physically incapable of negatively impacting the experience of other players!
And hurray for build pinging! It ensures that a minimum level of build quality can be ensured. I'm not a total fascist about builds -- special snowflakes are allowed if they play to a profession's strengths -- but there's absolutely no chance I'm taking a player with a terrible bar into the game with me when it takes seconds to replace that player with a hero who will run a better bar, follow calls and not aggro random things just to show off their solo prowess.
Evolve or play alone, basically.
Voodoo Rage
As I mentioned in the FoW/DoA thread, I just never PuG because it's impossible for me to ever be able to commit my time to even a simple mission without worrying about getting interrupted by a kid or a wife at some point. You guys can all thank me for not even trying.
That being said, the few times I did try to PuG were all debacles. I'm really not a build snob but, geez, a lot of people use TERRIBLE builds in this game and rationalize it with the same exact excuse, "Hey, I beat the game with this...". And honestly, I totally understand that mentality because I used to be the same, thinking I was a GW bad ass with my touch ranger, not realizing that my heroes were pretty much carrying my team all the time.
That being said, the few times I did try to PuG were all debacles. I'm really not a build snob but, geez, a lot of people use TERRIBLE builds in this game and rationalize it with the same exact excuse, "Hey, I beat the game with this...". And honestly, I totally understand that mentality because I used to be the same, thinking I was a GW bad ass with my touch ranger, not realizing that my heroes were pretty much carrying my team all the time.
TheGizzy
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not realizing that my heroes were pretty much carrying my team all the time.
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It's just another reason I like using my heroes instead of PuG'ing... there aren't many options for me to play the way I enjoy as an ele in HM. I can't run an AP build to save my life (or anyone else's), and I have zero interest in being an ER ele. Soloing with my heroes means I can play my way, and it doesn't matter if my favorite spells only do 2dmg - my heroes won't ragequit on me, call me a noob or otherwise hassle me. They'll just go in, kick ass, and let me pick up my drops.
Plus, I consider my heroes to be extensions of my toon anyway. I equip them, I rune them, I dictate their builds, and I micromanage them when I need to. They are just more weapons in my arsenal besides my staves, wands, axe of enchanting, etc.
And as long as I get to play where I want, when I want, how I want... then I am "winning" the game. If I PuG, then I'm expected to "win" someone else's way, by their definition... and I have no interest in that.
jray14
I really enjoyed grouping back in the early days when it was actually faster than henching, and before the dawn of pvxwiki. I would typically form my own groups with "GLF misfits" and end up mostly with fun attitudes like TheGizzy's on the team .
I'm curious, does anyone try that nowadays, and is it fruitful? I took a 4-year hiatus and came back after EOTN was released and was so smitten by H/H'ing that I never really went back to grouping. But every now and then I'm tempted to give it another whirl. I'm too fickle with my Luxon/Kurzick swapping to join a guild, and too lazy to manage one, so for the time being it's H/H or PUG for me.
@TheGizzy, in terms of play style I'm the total opposite of you, running an AP build *everywhere* with all of my chars wielding staves or spears, lol. I suppose that sounds excruciatingly boring, but the flexibility in the 3 leftover skills provides enough variety for me.
.I'm curious, does anyone try that nowadays, and is it fruitful? I took a 4-year hiatus and came back after EOTN was released and was so smitten by H/H'ing that I never really went back to grouping. But every now and then I'm tempted to give it another whirl. I'm too fickle with my Luxon/Kurzick swapping to join a guild, and too lazy to manage one, so for the time being it's H/H or PUG for me.
@TheGizzy, in terms of play style I'm the total opposite of you, running an AP build *everywhere* with all of my chars wielding staves or spears, lol. I suppose that sounds excruciatingly boring, but the flexibility in the 3 leftover skills provides enough variety for me.
Cuilan
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It's just another reason I like using my heroes instead of PuG'ing... there aren't many options for me to play the way I enjoy as an ele in HM. I can't run an AP build to save my life (or anyone else's), and I have zero interest in being an ER ele.
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Voodoo Rage
Just pinged to me in my Guild Chat:
The guy just kept arguing up and down with me defending his build because "he just walked through a mission with it". I think I've lost all will to live...
The guy just kept arguing up and down with me defending his build because "he just walked through a mission with it". I think I've lost all will to live...
wilebill
In GW and WoW lone wolf for me. PUGs can be great fun if you enjoy the antics of psychopaths but TBH it has been years!
MrConsideration
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Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind.
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When you're abundantly horrible yet think you're playing optimally, that's what I object to.
cataphract
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Just pinged to me in my Guild Chat:
The guy just kept arguing up and down with me defending his build because "he just walked through a mission with it". I think I've lost all will to live... |
*cough*cough*
Small luxon guild looking for alliance with people that ping their skillbars in AC.
Aeon221
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Yeah, that's the point, I prefer to play casually and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO around, yet I understand what I'm doing is suboptimal.
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I've played hamstorm in groups, but those groups were joke groups and I made no bones about it being a terrible build. And if someone had said plz no, I'd have swapped to a better bar.
It's when I get that one dude who pings the roflcopter bar and starts going NO THIS IS A GOOD BAR SRSLY I BEAT GAME NO CHANGES, that's when it's unbearable.
Everyone has beaten the game with henchmen in normal mode. It's not hard! You can do it naked with no skills! I once beat all the missions in proph (before the addition of a minion cap) with a bunch of naked jihading lowbies, a resmer and me running an MM! Why yes, it was epic and hilarious. But you're not bringing that eight attribute bar into hardmode, bud, or AB or any other situation where I actually care about the outcome. Not when I can boot you and replace you with a hero who can do your job better without giving me grief, anyway.
ensoriki
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Originally Posted by cataphract
Stuff like this makes me miss alliances.
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I can't be bothered to commit to a group of people anymore, and Pugs take too long to set up period. Even if pugs were instantaneous still can't be bothered to commit, I go afk on practically every quest, and mission I do.
fireflyry
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Originally Posted by Chop it Off
Pugs for me ended the day heros came out.
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I pugged a lot when the game first came out as the majority of the community was fresh and the gameplay was more about attaining goals while having fun along the way.
The advent of heroes, PvE content, and change of game structure in rewarding grind and repeating content as quickly and efficiently as possible really dictated the state of pugs today.
People wanting speed clears who don't have the heroes.
I still enjoy pugging with newer players who are seemingly devoid of the attitude the current majority have but outside that I rarely venture far from my guildies and contacts.
This seems to be a reoccuring theme for the majority of dated MMO's.It's a pity that paitence and common courtesy seemingly goes out the window after 2-3 years.
I would add this is far more prevelant in the free-to-play format, especially so many years on.
Akimb0
Very rarely play in groups. Most players are terrible.
When I finally tried to join a group for a Zaishen VQ a while back, they were looking for healers, I was on my Rt. Kicked from the group when the second healer (a monk) complained that Rts suck at healing. Never even bothered trying to join a group since.
When I finally tried to join a group for a Zaishen VQ a while back, they were looking for healers, I was on my Rt. Kicked from the group when the second healer (a monk) complained that Rts suck at healing. Never even bothered trying to join a group since.
cellardweller
I pugged at the start but they were always yelling about my penis artwork on the map, so now I go with heroes get my phallic artistry completed in peace.