Why Discordway is the best possible 7 hero backline.

I don't understand what you mean here, because on my paragon (the only one I run heroes with), my main team is 3 Paragon heroes, a Dwayna Orders Dervish, and 3 Eles. I also don't run a dedicated healer, but each paragon has Motivation, I run Command. I never have any issues whatsoever with anything I need to do HM. I'm sure if I try DoA HM or something for instance, I will have trouble, but I have no desire to try that. I generally never have any issues with HM areas that I do, I recently completed FoW HM with this team without consumables. I also don't run Save Yourselves, so that massive party wide damage control is not there, I threw that out there just because I'm sure everyone was assuming I use it. But, the main point, I don't use Necros, sure I've considered wanting to add an MM into my team, but taking one thing out totally destroys my synergy I meant that if you are a paragon and you are running 3 discord heroes, chances are you are not running the 3 paragon heroes synergy, unless you are prepared to lose some useful character roles in your team.

Ah I didn't know this thread was about 4 heroes + 3x Discord vs 4 heroes + ER+healer+MM. I thought it was 4 heroes + 3x Discord vs 7 heroes, not necessarily including 2 dedicated prot/heal heroes. I thought this as well. So you're basically saying that discord is the superior subpar setup.

And yes, there are still people using sabway in the game This. Sabway > Discordway*. And since my main is an elly, I'm forced to play the best (or only good) part of Discordway - the AP/YMLaD/EVAS/FH! caller - anyways.

* Sabway is basically Discordway but with actually USEFUL elites on the necro bars.

No, spirits are immobile and with the current meta unnessesary unless used by a player. Even with a bit of distance between groups, the first fight will usually be over around the 8 to 15 secound mark (depending on group composition and scatter) and the secound fight started around the 18-22 secound mark and over before 35 secounds. (I tend to use my skills as timers to keep track of these things, especially deep freeze (22 sec cooldown in my build) is usefull for this purpose as I tend to use that to start every single fight even if it means waiting a couple of secounds to start it ) Splinter Weapon? Ancestor's Rage? I don't take my SoS Rit for 3 spirits...

A SoS Rit with Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage can easily outdamage a Discord Necro. Sometimes i'm still surprised how much damage Splinter Weapon does.. I'm seeing "53" popping up all over my screen. Even with just 2 foes in adjacent range Splinter Weapon (You do need > 2 triggers) and Ancestor's Rage both outdamage Discord...

I'm sure your build is very good and i probably can't compete against those 4 mesmers but to call ur 3 discord heroes the best possible hero backline...
We all know there is no "best hero build" So why would there be a "best possible 7 hero backline"?...

And with me playing A/W Dagger Spammer I really like to have Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage @ 16 Channeling. You can't compare SW @ 10 vs SW @16 (or 14)...

In conclusion, Discord is the spike-aiding damage (equal to Vampric Gaze on a monk in a Bloodspike HA team) while mesmers help shutdown and deal widespread damage. The problem with discordway supporters is that everytime someone points out a weakness with discordway, they will use the FIRST HALF of their build (i.e. 2 rits+2 mes), which is also in the current meta, to argue back that it covers up that weakness. So there is no point arguing.

Sabway > Discordway.Sabway is basically Discordway but with actually USEFUL elites on the necro bars. Agree. I've used Discord only until i've discovered Sabway. And after some times, i've dropped it too.

The point imo is that Discord was a nice spike 3hero setup that can offer also prot/minions/heals over the plain damage. On the other hand, the spiky damage from discord is good only for vanquish, and it isn't fantastic anyways, at least not everywhere. Discord is useful only in areas where mobs are kept alive mostly by 1-2 healers protter: kill them allow easy roll(see Ferndale VQ for example).

Sab was a little less spikedamage-oriented, but more versatile, cause allows more flexibility to player(weren't we used to say "Dway for casters, Sab for meele"?), expecially if his build wasn't able to dish out conditions and hexes effectively.

But using 7heroes all this considerations are useless. If you want spike damage, run just 2 discord w/o all other rit/monk stuff. Move heals and prots on other heroes (UA+ER prot is a standard in my team) and trow in spirits(1-2 rits as you prefer)/shutdown(1-2 of :Panic-Pi-Ineptitude or some meta stuff)/utility. GG.
And if you do not need spike damage, but more AoE-pressure, drop both Discord heroes.

Ninja'd a bit by above posters.

The whole reason discordway existed was compression, with 7heroes it's pretty irrelevant. Simply having a couple of discord necro's doesn't make it discordway. Anyway the point is a pure curses necro with ench removal and nasty hexes/conditions combined with an air nuker provides the necessary DPS and support. Except it means classes can specialise properly without gimmicky attribute splits. My point is that it is the superior backline to combine with other kinds of builds in a 7 hero format. Especially with the current meta of mesmers or spirits + mesmers.

@original poster, You do realize that Discordway is pretty much a rip off Sabway with discord as an elite for all the heroes, right? You don't actually state any numbers to back up your team's ability to take on 20-30 enemies. Discordway can't do that no matter what other heroes you put in with it. That's like walking into the first room in Urgoz and killing everything. Minons die in two seconds in case you didn't notice and spirits aren't a great help against that many foes. I assume this thread is about HM btw, in NM what you suggested Discordway could do is questionable. I suggest you reread (or actually just read) the original post and understand that im talking about discordway as a general backline and not as a complete build. Im saying discord is generally the best backup you can give to the other damage focused team options people are talking about. Wether thats a SoS + SoGM + Panic + Inept mesmer or a PI + Esurge + Panic + Inept setup like the one I genereally use.

So with that in mind, sabway consists of 3 characters, a N\Rt SS and physical support character. A N\Rt resto healer with either Icy Veins or Xinrae or VoR, and a Jagged Bones \ AoTL \ Flesh Golem minionmaster:
*The SS part of this character is more or less completely pointless in the current metagame as it does not do a good job in a team having 2+ mesmers because of blinds (ineptitude) and the amount of interrupts flying around that in turn doesnt give SS a good chance to work as it requires sucessfull skill completions along with attacks that actually hit. This character will in the current metagame still work though if you either dont play with mesmers or change the elite to say PoD.
*The N\Rt Xinrae's Healer still works, but I personally dont see it doing more damage then a N\Rt Discord healer or healing better. Mostly because while the added mesmers (atleast 2) allso provide a lot of damage reduction thru their skillsets in the form of blinds and interrupts.
*The Jagged Bones Minionmaster is a dedicated minionmaster, and given that fights are often so short when running multiple mesmers that minions barely get arrive before the fight is over. Having minions is still very much a good thing for those situations when you pull additional mobs or too many mobs. But a discord MM will be better then jagged.

And saying Discordway is a ripoff from sabway is just silly as it's significantly different in the first place.

My point is that it is the superior backline to combine with other kinds of builds in a 7 hero format. Especially with the current meta of mesmers or spirits + mesmers. I still don't see much synergy between discord and the other builds.

On the other hand, AoD and AoE from the commandgon have more synergy with the spirits. FB and Gfte have synergy with the minions.

Discord has aggressive synergy, not passive synergy by buffing other players. Essentially, you are turning your backline into a weapon, which otherwise, stands at 0 DPS.

In fact, with the Discord backline, you are looking at 7 Heroes that put out DPS, compared to 5 from the other bar. Basically:
N/Rt-N/Rt-N/Mo
vs.
E/Mo-P/X-Mo/X (which is what I think is becoming Meta)

We'll see what happens in the contest. Meanwhile, I'll do each area with 7 Mesmers and prove Mercs are broken :P I think the meta is more like:

N/Mo(MM)-P/X-E/Mo or N/X(Orders)

A MM is still included in the meta.

As you can see, the only one with 0 DPS is the ER. As for the rest, it is matter of direct damage versus buff synergy.

I think the contest results would not show much of a difference between the two, but we will see. Good luck!