So really, why is this a problem again? Anet seem determined to turn a blind eye to this.
Why am I bothering to play, when so many people are getting away with botting? It's not even one or two per game. It's 5+ and yes, I know a bot when I see one, not making somekind of mistake identifying them.
Even more infuriating, is when I try to report them, I get no confirmation of any kind, when I know there should be. Is it because they're been reported already? If they've been reported already, why are they always there, day after day?
I'm not wasting my time making a report to anet the long manual way, when it seems they're not going to do anything about it anyway. So hopefully enough people will agree here that it's a problem again and it may get noticed.
If anyone has a surefire way of getting this problem noted (again -_-) then please, post below.
Mass bots in JQ (again)
Akimb0
Chocolate_Prayers
it's not a case of 'again', it's a case of 'still'.
I figure the reason why there is no confirmation is due to people using it for malicious reasons (an entire guild reporting a single player out of spite).
I've seen guilds attempt to sync purely to try and reduce the chances of having bots on their team. Quite a sad state of the game really. People need to resort to potentially breaking the rules by match manipulation to be able to play without people who break the rules by using bots..
Not to mention the fact that reporting leechers (while being slightly offtopic) will also get your own account dishonor points if nobody else reports (which barely anyone does anymore since it has no real effect).
Unfortunately I don't think there's a way of getting this problem noted unless someone were to push it into the faces of people who do the bannings or people who relay this information to developers.. though no good will generally come from that either since issues like this have always been avoided.
I figure the reason why there is no confirmation is due to people using it for malicious reasons (an entire guild reporting a single player out of spite).
I've seen guilds attempt to sync purely to try and reduce the chances of having bots on their team. Quite a sad state of the game really. People need to resort to potentially breaking the rules by match manipulation to be able to play without people who break the rules by using bots..
Not to mention the fact that reporting leechers (while being slightly offtopic) will also get your own account dishonor points if nobody else reports (which barely anyone does anymore since it has no real effect).
Unfortunately I don't think there's a way of getting this problem noted unless someone were to push it into the faces of people who do the bannings or people who relay this information to developers.. though no good will generally come from that either since issues like this have always been avoided.
chaosincarnate87
Honestly sadly enough the time spent on here complaining about it is going to be worthless. I would suggest learning to work around and deal with it til GW2 comes out, because the sad truth really is that it's extremely low on the priorities list at this point :/
dr love
you understand you wouldn't be able to play JQ without the bots right?
GODh
you cant *PLAY* JQ with bots either 
Guillotine Princess
Rather than just using /report, you should be taking screenshots and sending them to arena net. It is much more effective and you will get a response from a game moderator.
Benderama
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pity, thats probably what makes the waiting list for JQ so bloated
Missing HB
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well they did ban those 3,700 but that was last year and all. maybe they're working up to a big number again to ban at once for a bigger impact?
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- Very big impact on HA , arena is inactive. They saw that the arena was so flawed that 2/3 of players were botting...
- Some players that didn't do anything got banned. The system wasn't perfect...
- They can't detect some forms of bottings. You got a proof on TopK update , where noone can do the farm anymore...
Let's assume they did find a way to fix bots fairly in JQ.
- I personnaly don't see a big diference in a bot bomber and human bomber...
- 1/3 of " players " would leave , meaning longer restarts
- due to previous point , more players will stop doing JQ
- That still doesn't change anything with build problems ( a.k.a RoJ monk versus sword warrior )
Aljasha
I guess the people who get banned for botting will likely be replaced by real players. Remember GW still sells some copies to new players and those may be encouraged to play areas now fairly "botless".
I agree with the other issues of JQ, though. Being Pathing and abusive builds.
I agree with the other issues of JQ, though. Being Pathing and abusive builds.
Jacobbs
Problem is one of player base. Very few players play JQ to play JQ, many play it to farm faction for pve rewards. Done and done.
The Only Warrior
dont complain about bots in JQ, that just makes it easier to win, if you cant even beat a team of bots you need to uninstall.
Haggis of Doom
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dont complain about bots in JQ, that just makes it easier to win, if you cant even beat a team of bots you need to uninstall.
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Mireles
They nurfed thier TopK farm so they all have to go back for JQ for there botting needs.
jazilla
The inconsistency and lack of communication makes it tougher for players to figure out where ANet's priorities lie. They nerf the ToPK farm, but leave SF teams alone to Speed Clear dungeons ad nauseum(inconsistent). Botters get banned in places and left alone in others. for the most part ANet does a good job with stuff, but there is no clear line drawn as to what is OK to farm and what isn't in ANet's opinion.
Draak Calinca
It's okay guys, JQ sucks anyways, let the bots have their fun
Dosearius Takerius
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you understand you wouldn't be able to play JQ without the bots right?
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wait...are you saying people should be THANKFUL for the bots?
Chocolate_Prayers
The way I see it, more REAL people would come back to play JQ if the bots were removed. It's just frustrating to play with them on teams, so many people prefer to do more productive things with their time.
Chico
It's way more frustrating not being able to get in for extended periods of time (10 minutes wait is too much) than to play with bots.
Even more frustrating than bots or wait times are leeches.
I remember not even being able to get in to complete cartographer without organizing with other cartographers just to explore around JQ.
IMO, increase maximum simultaneous battles, then think about killing leeches, leavers, and bots.
Two simple adjustments could lead to overall shorter wait times and better experience. Whatever the current time between matches is, divide it by half. Instead of making the least wait 2 minutes, make it 1 (I'm making the number up, not sure about the real least wait time). Increase many-fold the number of simultaneous instances of JQ. It's annoying that even during special JQ weekends you have to wait many many times when clearly there are plenty luxons and kurziks waiting for a match.
Even more frustrating than bots or wait times are leeches.
I remember not even being able to get in to complete cartographer without organizing with other cartographers just to explore around JQ.
IMO, increase maximum simultaneous battles, then think about killing leeches, leavers, and bots.
Two simple adjustments could lead to overall shorter wait times and better experience. Whatever the current time between matches is, divide it by half. Instead of making the least wait 2 minutes, make it 1 (I'm making the number up, not sure about the real least wait time). Increase many-fold the number of simultaneous instances of JQ. It's annoying that even during special JQ weekends you have to wait many many times when clearly there are plenty luxons and kurziks waiting for a match.
clear
Botting has been a problem in this game since day one. Now that the population base has slipped considerably since the early days it is more evident. Best approach would be to screenshot the offenders and report them. I think opening up a rant session here does no good.
Urcscumug
I've always wondered, why can't they do something that will prevent bots from entering? A sort of "captcha". Like, they put the player in a room with 20 exits and he has to pick the right one based on certain hints. The hints could be random and varied, from a line painted on the floor to picking the exit of a certain color or with a flag next to it. If the exit is not picked in 20 seconds, the "player" is kicked out, if he picks the right one he goes on to play the game. It would reduce the bots to roughly 1/20 of what they are now (assuming they manage to pick the good exit randomly).
Fay Vert
If you fix botting you can always attract players to an area if the rewards are good enough. Ghost town=bad rewards, this isn't hard to fix, but first they need to kill the bots.
When Dhuum arrived to kill the bots we all thought that would be an on-going thing to throw these accounts out of the game, seems that the poor wee fella got a bit tired after all that scything and had to go to sleep again for a rest.
When Dhuum arrived to kill the bots we all thought that would be an on-going thing to throw these accounts out of the game, seems that the poor wee fella got a bit tired after all that scything and had to go to sleep again for a rest.
Kelfer
The answer is yes, what was the question?
Neither NcSoft nor A'Net seem to care /12 chars
Neither NcSoft nor A'Net seem to care /12 chars
Swingline
Im almost to the point that I don't care about bots. As long as ANet is incredibly strict about botting in GW2 I will be happy.
StormX
Funny that you should say that. just the other day i reported 2 N/A bots via email and got the template reply again. then i log in and see that they are still online. Support should just change their stock reply to "let me put that in my care [box]" cause its closer to the truth
I didnt even bother to report the kurz bots cause there were too many, mostly Mo/mes wastrel spammers with unpronounceable names; at least the lux bots are mostly from the same guild.
I didnt even bother to report the kurz bots cause there were too many, mostly Mo/mes wastrel spammers with unpronounceable names; at least the lux bots are mostly from the same guild.
Aljasha
How do you distinguish N/A botters from N/A humans?
StormX
Well the guild tag is a red flag, if its from the botting guild I'll be immediately suspicious. What I've observed is that they tend to run in the same path, like the one I saw that kept running towards purple. They use signet of agony when there is no enemy nearby, immediately cast contagion and dark aura upon respawning, never talk, and never change their strategies.. even if someone is waiting outside the spawn to gank them they continue in the pre scripted path
AngelWJedi
i stop playing jq/fa not cause of the botters but the humans. Since it became zcombot every time i went it their was always one flamer in the group. used to be fun to do but not now. least with bots they didnt yell at you if you lagged into a mob and died. 
Chasing Squirrels
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So really, why is this a problem again? Anet seem determined to turn a blind eye to this.
Why am I bothering to play, when so many people are getting away with botting? It's not even one or two per game. It's 5+ and yes, I know a bot when I see one, not making somekind of mistake identifying them. Even more infuriating, is when I try to report them, I get no confirmation of any kind, when I know there should be. Is it because they're been reported already? If they've been reported already, why are they always there, day after day? I'm not wasting my time making a report to anet the long manual way, when it seems they're not going to do anything about it anyway. So hopefully enough people will agree here that it's a problem again and it may get noticed. If anyone has a surefire way of getting this problem noted (again -_-) then please, post below. |
Urcscumug
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Here is the question will anet have the same stance in gw2?
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If it's a technical issue due to the way GW was made, we can hope they learned from the mistakes and made GW2 better.
But maybe it's something subjective, like "political" decisions and management blunders from higher up.
Or maybe the bots are too cunning. What if they're using compromised machines of regular players to play? I don't see what ANet could do if a piece of malware creeped onto your computer (or your LAN) and started botting from there. Should they ban your IP and be done with it? But you swear you're not botting, yet they see a bot coming from your adress. Maybe it's not your computer, it's your brother's. Maybe you're lying. They have no way of knowing. Maybe that's why they're so "forgiving" of bots right now, because the bots come from the same IP addresses as legit players.
Or maybe the bots are so many that ANet/NCSoft simply don't have the manpower to follow each and every one of them and make sure they're bots.
Maybe it's all of the above, or a combination of some of them.
That's why I suggested they should implement a mini-puzzle that tests if you're really a human every time you login. I don't see other solutions. Even this one is flawed, because the bad guys can hire login monkeys to help bots pass the test.
The only real solution is for people to stop buying gold and accounts from shady sites. That's the reason bots exist and are profitable. But I'm afraid that a decade of email spam has proved that people are too stupid and greedy to do that.
hrusha
How about changing the map to make it less easily bottable? It's kind of ridiculous how effective bombing and nuking are compared to actual PvP. What if there was a capture point you had to stay on, so that you'd have to defend against real players?
shinta_himura
Wait a minute...
So I can't play a bomber build now unless I want to risk my account being banned?
Not that I even enjoy bomber builds over other builds I've found, but sometimes I like to mix it up and bombers are a fun alternative.
So I can't play a bomber build now unless I want to risk my account being banned?
Not that I even enjoy bomber builds over other builds I've found, but sometimes I like to mix it up and bombers are a fun alternative.
Pugs Not Drugs
honestly i havent seen too many bots, but really cant tell the difference between a na bomber bot and player. its all just pressing 123456 in order anyways.
and what exactly is a botting guild? if there were guilds devoted to botting, im sure anet would just mass ban everyone in them.
and what exactly is a botting guild? if there were guilds devoted to botting, im sure anet would just mass ban everyone in them.
DoopDoop
To be honest botting has always been present in Guild Wars. Not really going to change in any MMO, player automation is a business that exists outside of the MMO world. (YES THE REAL WORLD OOOooOooOooO)
I really don't know why banning isn't enforced to supreme standards because the more accounts they ban, the more money they make as gold farmers make new accounts. It's all about the money, quasi-unfortunately
I really don't know why banning isn't enforced to supreme standards because the more accounts they ban, the more money they make as gold farmers make new accounts. It's all about the money, quasi-unfortunately
StormX
botting guild= a guild known to run bots. hint: its one of the largest faction farming guilds. Other pple in my alliance were complaining about them too. One reported seeing 9 players from that guild loading into town..all hexed. Anyway, I dont report just anyone..I observe them over consecutive games to be sure.
Sooo... these are the latest replies from support
there is hope yet! well... i was surprised actually. guess i take back some of what i said earlier
Sooo... these are the latest replies from support
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Hello, I was able to find a violation by reviewing the game logs of the incident. The player's account has been closed. Thank you for submitting your report and helping keep Guild Wars a fun and safe place to play. Regards, GM Lemoncobra The Guild Wars Support Team |
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Hi again, Thanks for that report. All three of these account have been closed. Do not hesitate to let me know if you need anything else. My best wishes, GM Ara The Guild Wars Support Team |
there is hope yet! well... i was surprised actually. guess i take back some of what i said earlier
DoopDoop
If you complain it gets done, if not you don't. So the idea is to complain as much as possible!
AngelWJedi
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If you complain it gets done, if not you don't. So the idea is to complain as much as possible!
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DoopDoop
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but from what i understand some people have but the bots are still their. so atm its kinda moot point.
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StormX
I think it depends on which GM you get, some seem to be more effectual than others
You also have to be really specific about the bots in particular eg.provide name, time, date etc for every single one of them. If you just say there are many bots in JQ, nothing will be done. of all the bots i reported, only one was not banned because of "insufficient evidence". god knows what that evidence is... its bloody obvious to me because he uses the same pathing everytime he respawns, and also casts the same spirits at exactly the same spots.
As a side note, I saw one of the abovementioned accounts botting AGAIN just yesterday..days after the supposed ban. I was aghast. I'd be interested to see what support has to say about this.
You also have to be really specific about the bots in particular eg.provide name, time, date etc for every single one of them. If you just say there are many bots in JQ, nothing will be done. of all the bots i reported, only one was not banned because of "insufficient evidence". god knows what that evidence is... its bloody obvious to me because he uses the same pathing everytime he respawns, and also casts the same spirits at exactly the same spots.
As a side note, I saw one of the abovementioned accounts botting AGAIN just yesterday..days after the supposed ban. I was aghast. I'd be interested to see what support has to say about this.