Ok, snowball dominance was silly enough.. farming with repeatable Thack quests compounded it. but now, this prank quest paying out far more than most Ingame missions/quests AND repeatable??
Running Warband today pays out less. Repeating any mission gives nothing unless its z quest. Most of the quests. not repeatable at all.
Decided to run a battle plan quest today. Oh.. you are over r7? NO POINTS FOR JOO!!
It is unfathomable to me that chucking snowballs and grinding some silly april fool gimmick pays out far more Reputation than.. um.. killing Charr?
I know that daring to criticize a "gasp" farm quest is blasphemy, but I don't care. It is nonsense.
So, is there some issue with actually killing Charr for Vanguard Rank?
Lasai
cosyfiep
no they are just trying to make it easier to max ....its more because there are only 3 areas to get vanguard points in as compared to what 5 for norn and asura (hence why the game was released unfinished--where are the other areas???). trying to balance???? (where is the laugh emote)....
Cuilan
With my characters that have a decent PvE skill titles ranks, most of them have Vanguard lagging a bit behind.
enter_the_zone
Serious question, does anyone do anything besides speedbooking and/or dungeons for EOTN faction titles? I mean, really?
Sir Baddock
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Serious question, does anyone do anything besides speedbooking and/or dungeons for EOTN faction titles? I mean, really?
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Vanguard - Questing + Books
Asuran - Raptor Farming
Norn - Books + VQ.
KZaske
Not anymore. Oh sure, there are execptions but for the most part it is all speed-booking these days.
afya
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Serious question, does anyone do anything besides speedbooking and/or dungeons for EOTN faction titles? I mean, really?
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norn - VQ back in the ursan days
asura - raptor leech
vanguard - mentioned quests
If one doesn't feel speedbooking for vanguard boring, I'm pretty sure he/she will withstand snowball dominance. It's much faster + more gold-wise profitable too.
Fay Vert
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no they are just trying to make it easier to max ....its more because there are only 3 areas to get vanguard points in as compared to what 5 for norn and asura (hence why the game was released unfinished--where are the other areas???). trying to balance???? (where is the laugh emote)....
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And while we are at in, why do we still need someone to open the game in pre, time that pointless thing was done away with.
Raven Wing
Norn....a path to revelation still yields nice points
FoxBat
Shouldn't the question be, why don't we have absurd rewards like this for the other tracks? Hell we still have Kieran farming, what makes vanguard so special?
ShaJiexi
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Not anymore. Oh sure, there are execptions but for the most part it is all speed-booking these days.
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Just depends on priorities; speedbooking is fastest, but VQing+ZM missions+books will max it out reasonably quickly with less time invested, due to Zaishen bonuses/increased rewards from maxed books.
Godess Charmaine
think u have forgoten 1 there are the points from the Charr encription battels
high points easty to get speacally in hm
but hey dungones, missons + books = title
high points easty to get speacally in hm
but hey dungones, missons + books = title
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Ok...Ebon vanguard is currently the bitchiest to max tbh...(while still not hard the other imo are all a ton easier due to farms and such)
Sooo anet says...
Sooo they add in quests to make those titles less of a bitch to max.
You may say hey this doesn't make a ton of sense...
But...Decapitate isn't a 1 shot kill last I checked either.
Sooo anet says...
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Damn Ebon Vanguard is a bitch to max compared to the rest. The rest all have something to make it easier to reduce some of the grind to make it easier for people to use those skill to their full potential.
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Sooo they add in quests to make those titles less of a bitch to max.
You may say hey this doesn't make a ton of sense...
But...Decapitate isn't a 1 shot kill last I checked either.
RedDog91
Well, with the April Fool's Day quest from Bane, one doesn't even need Eye of the North to max Vanguard rank. And since its so easy and repeatable, its basically a free max title for any player that needs one for HoM. This way, ANET is giving 2 more HoM points to anyone who ordinarily wouldn't have time or patience to get a title to display (cuz you get 2 points just for having any title displayed) no matter which campaign(s) they have.
NerfHerder
The EV point farm is one of the better aspects of this years gag. Anet got the chance to stop working on GW2/GW Beyond for a while and we get a chance to max our titles for the hall.
There is a recurring theme in GW lately, allowing for easier access to titles. Either you can get upset about it or be happy for the casual player. Your choice.
There is a recurring theme in GW lately, allowing for easier access to titles. Either you can get upset about it or be happy for the casual player. Your choice.
Lasai
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If they want to make it easier to max then why don't they make the rewards better for actually playing the proper game?
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So why restrict point gain for playing through the game, and then turn around and throw out plat and points like candy for basically bot play?
I don't get it. I have no axe to grind.. I am r9 Vanguard without repeating any of the SD/speedbook/ Thackery/Commando junk, and I will max it without any of that. I just see a confusing message on ANETs part. IF there is a disparity earning Vanguard, fix that, don't dump in what are basically, to me, sanctioned exploit farms.
Also.. I fail to see how a "fun" quest would have been less "fun" without padding it with Vanguard points.
FoxBat
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This way, ANET is giving 2 more HoM points to anyone who ordinarily wouldn't have time or patience to get a title to display (cuz you get 2 points just for having any title displayed) no matter which campaign(s) they have.
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Lasai
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think u have forgoten 1 there are the points from the Charr encription battels
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Olle
So.. Have you farmed "Anhilator"?
2K~~ in 5 min.. Five minutes.
Be up to date and quit whining.
2K~~ in 5 min.. Five minutes.
Be up to date and quit whining.
Leohan
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So.. Have you farmed "Anhilator"?
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The Annihilator quest was great/fun... there were moments I did feel compelled to just keep going to farm out my title with it.
Olle
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Read peoples posts and then type. The original poster is talking about the fact that the rewards for doing vanguard stuff like charr battle plans should be changed to greater rewards in the first place.
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Imo, Cause he wants to Max ebon.
Sure, balance the rewards, but keep in mind that things like this Q pops up all the time.
Doing the bounties helps alot, and we should be Happy the rewards are so big.
Spiritz
Just glancing i dont see ( or i missed ) anyone saying the thackery quest ( 1st one ) can be rep farmed.I maxed my sins vanguard doing it and its approx 4 - 6 min run as you only fight the few mobs at start - run past the rest and fight the last at exit.
What you appear to be moaning about - even tho the commando quests end today - is about having to grind the rep.Sorry but everyone who has done eotn ( and same with nf ) after a set rank you need to do it in hm which is fair as its more points and tbh plenty of ppl have farmed vanguard rep from vanquishes/path to rev.. and even speedbooking.
Btw thinking of it - farming kieran even at 6 min runs gives 10k rep an hr where the commando being a larger area to cover takes a lot longer ( i doubt you can do it under 12 mins ).
Btw again if all your moaning about is vanguard then why not add asuran - i really do hate the idea of leeching asuran rep and sitting around just so someone else can earn my rep/drops etc .... just thought i`ll add that bit lol.
edit - stand corrected on the commando mission time - didnt even see this thread had 2nd page , too early in morning for me
What you appear to be moaning about - even tho the commando quests end today - is about having to grind the rep.Sorry but everyone who has done eotn ( and same with nf ) after a set rank you need to do it in hm which is fair as its more points and tbh plenty of ppl have farmed vanguard rep from vanquishes/path to rev.. and even speedbooking.
Btw thinking of it - farming kieran even at 6 min runs gives 10k rep an hr where the commando being a larger area to cover takes a lot longer ( i doubt you can do it under 12 mins ).
Btw again if all your moaning about is vanguard then why not add asuran - i really do hate the idea of leeching asuran rep and sitting around just so someone else can earn my rep/drops etc .... just thought i`ll add that bit lol.
edit - stand corrected on the commando mission time - didnt even see this thread had 2nd page , too early in morning for me
Lasai
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And guess why he made the post?
Imo, Cause he wants to Max ebon. Sure, balance the rewards, but keep in mind that things like this Q pops up all the time. Doing the bounties helps alot, and we should be Happy the rewards are so big. |
I'm fine with doing harder, longer EoTN content for less reward. I only wonder what the thought process was behind discouraging people to play the EoTN content and encouraging them to farm gimmick quests instead. Why, for instance, things like the Battle Plan quests.. which are utterly useless past r7 instead of simply allowing pts for HM.
On one hand they clamp down on things.. like tweaking the Pre quests to disable powerleveling.... and then on the other enable a "joke" quest that was frankly abused for both financial and title gain to an excessive degree.
I am not seeing consistency. These canned farm quests seem to violate their own parameters as applied to the rest of the game. Past r7 was HM time..save the moderate faction from z missions and bounties. Now.. you could have maxed it with a new char this past weekend and never even purchased a single skill..armor..weapon.. anything. Done it without boat travel, unlocking outposts.. nothing. Done it without ever setting foot in a Vanguard zone, or EoTN for that matter. Done it without having played the game.. at all.. Seems a big difference to me and a very poor direction to take. Explain to me why I should be giddy and grateful for that kind of shoddy implementation.. please.
Verene
Well, good for you.
That doesn't change the fact that Ebon Vanguard is the most difficult of the EOTN tracks to max, as there's only three areas to vanquish and don't have any decently quick areas to farm.
If you don't like it, then go ahead and keep farming the same few quests and vanquishing the same three areas repeatedly. But it's not your place to tell people who'd rather cut out some of the tedium with a quest that'll be gone in a few hours that they're doing it wrong.
(No, I haven't farmed this quest myself. But that's because I don't care about maxing titles that much since I've got everything for HoM already, and if I do max any EOTN titles, it sure as hell won't be Vanguard.)
That doesn't change the fact that Ebon Vanguard is the most difficult of the EOTN tracks to max, as there's only three areas to vanquish and don't have any decently quick areas to farm.
If you don't like it, then go ahead and keep farming the same few quests and vanquishing the same three areas repeatedly. But it's not your place to tell people who'd rather cut out some of the tedium with a quest that'll be gone in a few hours that they're doing it wrong.
(No, I haven't farmed this quest myself. But that's because I don't care about maxing titles that much since I've got everything for HoM already, and if I do max any EOTN titles, it sure as hell won't be Vanguard.)
pingu666
rather alarming thing about that title track (and other tbh) is in hardmode the base level in hardmode is 2points per kill, and max rank is 160,000.
or we need to kill 80,000 charr/other, and i cant see how the eotn ebon areas pass a total population of 1500?
at 1500 you would need to kill each red dot 53 times to max the title
we get rewards from quests and dungeons etc, but its still grindtasticaly high
or we need to kill 80,000 charr/other, and i cant see how the eotn ebon areas pass a total population of 1500?
at 1500 you would need to kill each red dot 53 times to max the title
we get rewards from quests and dungeons etc, but its still grindtasticaly high
Ghull Ka
I agree with the OP. I didn't know that battle plans missions stop giving you Vanguard rep after a certain point. That's silly. Those missions are the very essence of being a Vanguard Agent. Ya know, lock and load, go assault some Charr.
Battle Plans missions definitely should give you more rep than Kieran's Adventures in Kryta.
Battle Plans missions definitely should give you more rep than Kieran's Adventures in Kryta.
Lasai
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Well, good for you.
That doesn't change the fact that Ebon Vanguard is the most difficult of the EOTN tracks to max, as there's only three areas to vanquish and don't have any decently quick areas to farm. If you don't like it, then go ahead and keep farming the same few quests and vanquishing the same three areas repeatedly. But it's not your place to tell people who'd rather cut out some of the tedium with a quest that'll be gone in a few hours that they're doing it wrong. (No, I haven't farmed this quest myself. But that's because I don't care about maxing titles that much since I've got everything for HoM already, and if I do max any EOTN titles, it sure as hell won't be Vanguard.) |
Arutima
i have maxed eotn titles on my main character and i never did any of those quests (sacnoth valley vanq)
i will never get maxed titles to any of my other 9 characters, since it is grindy and boring
i will never get maxed titles to any of my other 9 characters, since it is grindy and boring
Gabs88
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no they are just trying to make it easier to max ....its more because there are only 3 areas to get vanguard points in as compared to what 5 for norn and asura (hence why the game was released unfinished--where are the other areas???). trying to balance???? (where is the laugh emote)....
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Urcscumug
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There is a recurring theme in GW lately, allowing for easier access to titles. Either you can get upset about it or be happy for the casual player. Your choice.
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I just see a confusing message on ANETs part. IF there is a disparity earning Vanguard, fix that, don't dump in what are basically, to me, sanctioned exploit farms.
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pingu666
rep titles should be closer to the eotn title, so do all quests and missions, vanq areas = max title pretty much
Fay Vert
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rather alarming thing about that title track (and other tbh) is in hardmode the base level in hardmode is 2points per kill, and max rank is 160,000.
or we need to kill 80,000 charr/other, and i cant see how the eotn ebon areas pass a total population of 1500? at 1500 you would need to kill each red dot 53 times to max the title we get rewards from quests and dungeons etc, but its still grindtasticaly high |
pingu666
I know that 
even at 5points per kill its still a massive amount of dead charr
even at 5points per kill its still a massive amount of dead charr
DoopDoop
Haven't the Charr suffered enough? Even from the beginning of Pre Searing to the first years of Tyria, before ships set sail to Cantha and Elona we were killing Charr. Remember that last mission in Pre Searing? Bodies of Charrs strewn across the dank cave. Why kill more Charr if you can avoid it?
SunJinyu
EoTN ranks are ridiculously easy to max compared to other titles. I maxed mine easily without having to farm SD or spend April Fools grinding Annihilator - in fact I've never done SD or speedbooked, nor have I ever spent much time farming raptors or vaettirs. I got mine by *gasp* playing the game! Dungeons, vanquishes, missions and zaishen bonuses should get you over max rank all while advancing your Master of the North title.
Vanguard is slightly more difficult because of two less zones to vanq but still easy. If you want to grind quests over and over that's your choice - but the time spent to max the title through normal game play is nowhere as time intensive as most other titles like guardian/vanquisher/cartographer etc.
Vanguard is slightly more difficult because of two less zones to vanq but still easy. If you want to grind quests over and over that's your choice - but the time spent to max the title through normal game play is nowhere as time intensive as most other titles like guardian/vanquisher/cartographer etc.
Verene
...you know, part of this argument I simply don't get.
Doing a repeatable quest is still playing the game. And you have to grind to max the EOTN titles - doing something repeatedly is grind.
Doing a repeatable quest is still playing the game. And you have to grind to max the EOTN titles - doing something repeatedly is grind.
SunJinyu
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...you know, part of this argument I simply don't get.
Doing a repeatable quest is still playing the game. And you have to grind to max the EOTN titles - doing something repeatedly is grind. |
Ghull Ka
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Haven't the Charr suffered enough? Even from the beginning of Pre Searing to the first years of Tyria, before ships set sail to Cantha and Elona we were killing Charr. Remember that last mission in Pre Searing? Bodies of Charrs strewn across the dank cave. Why kill more Charr if you can avoid it?
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Why kill more Charr? Because there are more.
Verene
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It is a very boring way to play the game for a lot of people and no, it isn't required to max the titles - apart from doing missions/dungeons in nm and hm which in my opinion is no different than having to do missions in nm and hm for the legendary guardian title. Yes you can max your titles by repeating quests over and over if that's what you want to do - my point was that that's not the only way to get them, nor obtaining them without farming quests difficult to achieve.
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And it's not comparable to Legendary Guardian, because you only have to complete each mission twice (one in NM and once in HM) for that, unless you don't get the master reward your first way through.