A pre-searing data gathering expedition...

After hitting both GWAMM and 50/50 I have recently shifted my attention to one of the only things I have never accomplished: Legendary Defender of Ascalon. Now I know it's actually not that hard to get now, especially with repeat farming of the daily quests over and over, but this bores me. Instead I have been heavily farming charr, at least until I reach lvl 15 or 16, then I will turn my attention to hard core vanguard missions. Anyway, the point is I have farmed a lot of charr. I mean A LOT. Thing is, I still have yet to ever even see a charr kit drop.

Yes I know they're rare and all, but I've gotten more than 20 runes, a similar number of purples, several black dyes and 7 charr bags without so much as seeing one.

Thus my question to the GWGuru community is: What is the largest number of charr bags you have obtained as drops without obtaining a charr kit as a drop?

I'm trying to gather info on just how rare they are in comparison to bags. My thinking is that, while a pre-char has use for 2 bags, the demand on charr kits is somewhat more, while the drop rate seems to be MUCH lower in my experience. The current market price of a kit is in the 9-10k range, which is an huge amount for pre-searing (not to say that there aren't plenty of people who can afford it)...

My second question is: Should a change to either the number of uses or the drop rate of charr kits be made? I seriously doubt anet will bother with this, but I am curious about other players' opinions at least.

Warrior: solo charr farming 9-15. Got 7 bags and 1 kit
Monk: solo charr farming 10-15. 3 bags and 3 kits

Drop rate is fine imo. I have never gotten a black dye in pre though, and I've raised two chars to 16.

On my character, I farmed charr up until level 15. At that point I stopped and waited until the day I would bring him up to 20 from D-Leveling. (the new quests changed all this though).

During my days of farming, I received 3 charr bags and 2 charr kits. I never got a black dye so honestly, I think it is just luck. I would assume that the kits might drop a little less than the bags, but they arnt extremely rare comparatively.

I have a necro and an ele in Pre and farmed charr between levels 8-14 with a friend (pre-Langmar). I got about 10 charr bags, but only 1 salvage kit.

My friend leveled several characters with charr, I think he got a couple kits. Yes, the drop rate is low.

That said, I don't think there needs to be a change. 2 kits would fully outfit a character. If you're in it to sell the runes/insigs (which probably means you're perma and pretty high level, so the bosses shouldn't pose much challenge), then you should have to work to make that profit.

My Monk recently got LDOA today.this was my process
ele quest in foible fair...till lvl 6 I think...
Then Charr at gate till I got only like 16xp per kill so I stopped and
Then farmed charr across the Gate,and Vangaurd quests till level 19.
Then I did all quests. and the last bit of XP from Vangaurd quests.
In all that I only got three bags and one Kit. (2 of those bags were that double drop rate weekend)

Had a fairly even ratio, myself, until I started DLing seriously. Then after killing the lvl'd charr, I'd run over and kill the bosses quick. Got like 5 kits and two bags...gogo luck.

On my current Pre Char.. 9 Bags, two kits. 3 of the bags were on two runs yesterday.

I have had a couple of black dyes dropped on me in pre but never a kit! LOL

Im currently grinding the mobs during Footman Tate to get to level 20, and I think I've had 3 or 4 charr bags and 2 or 3 salvage kits. I'm under the impression the charr bags, even though I'm only level 16. Will continue with Footman Tate/grinding charr (and charr bosses) north of the gates til I hit 19.

no bags, no kits....but I get dyes....(made a brand new mesmer--2nd drop BLACK dye...she left pre with it as this was a while ago)...got another black dye with my perma pre yesterday or the day before (her first black).

When getting to lvl 20 i got ...

1 black
1 white
1 salvage kit
4 Charr bags
and 600 Charr Carvings (whatever im proud of it =p )

Must have done about 200+ runs of the bosses. So the kits a rare or im realllly unlucky.

Lvl 17 at the moment

Got a black Dye just yesterday on my pre character. That would make three in pre but farmed pre like crazy during the dye drop weekend so long ago.

I have gotten more runes than I know what to do with, at least 7 bags and a few kits. If I had to guess I would say at least 3. I would really like to see the kits drop more often. Did one of the northern vanguard quests the other day with a level 16 Elementalist. She had a kit and a bag drop for her on our first run. Dang lucky it seemed. We did the run twice. Just junk the second run.

I'm level 18 atm. I managed to get to level 16 by killing Charr (this was before vanguard quests), and I've yet to see a charr kit drop. But, I have managed to get 8 charr bags.

Also, I never even got a black dye until I was level 17, when I got black dyes from two consecutive groups of gargoyles in the catacombs...go figure.

My guildy and I teamed up for pre searing for LDoA. So far we are level 14. She has gotten much better drops than me for sure.

Her: 4 Charr Bags,2 Charr Salvage Kits,1 Black Dye, and 1 White dye.
Me: 3 Charr Bags and 1 Charr Salvage Kit.

hmmm, my perma has been in pre more than 5 years, I think she was a pretty high level before the bags/kits were introduced. Until recently she has not had any reason to spend much time around the charr bosses, so I am not sure how useful my info is but I have had around 9 bags and 4 kits (and about 17 black dyes).

I never realised how are Charr Kits are, I went one on run to The Northlands with a friend as a GM, of the 4 Charr bosses he got a Charr Bag and I got a Kit. Perhaps I sold it too cheap.

You are going to make so much money when Nick collects carvings (gotta get them out of pre though...)


Anyway, I only had the patience to get a character to level 15 in pre-searing (this is before vanguard quests) and didn't get a single charr kit. Got 2 bags though.

I have a perma-pre character that's about a year and a half old. I admit that he hasn't done much charr farming so he hasn't got a single bag or kit, But he has 5 black dyes right now and sent 4 to post-searing thru a mule. He mostly farms for nick gifts and vanguard quests. I think he'll get LDoA in a month.

I got something like one or two black dyes in 6 months of playing in Pre, one kit, one bag. That's it. Got various runes and purples, but mainly from low-level Charr. The bosses don't drop anything good for me; they drop whites (salvage armor and silly weapons).

I've had many, many bags drop. I have 2 for myself (obviously), I gave 2 guildies 2 bags each when they started a pre character, and I've sold lots of them, once even 6 in a few minutes when I was cleaning up my inventory. I don't have an exact number, but I can't have had any less than 20 of them by now. Just had another one now when I cleaned out the bosses while doing the champion quest.

And charr kits? Never had one drop.