More Bots

Not alot, but bots heading out of Zos Shivros in many districts - N/Mo builds - farming faction?

Nope , they are farming the quest "The Halcyon Job"
for sup runes , mats and id'ed golds.
They were reduced by the ban hit , but not eliminated as it seems.

there's some new system that can't be detected yet.

and when it's gonna be detected, there's gonna be another ton of innocent players getting banned and having their accounts never restored. Just waitin on my 2nd one'

Do not despair for shortly before the next mass ban, Anet will offer a premium ban recovery protection in the ingame store for only €8.99. This will get you expedited customer support so you can get back your account faster.

I have no doubt that some innocent people risk getting an unjust ban. But it is also quite obvious that some of the genuine botters will come here and cry for sympathy and pester anet in an attempt to get off the hook. We have seen it already.

Ontopic: There will always be bots and people who get banned without botting.
A-net should listen to the reports and ban them at the report. They shouldn't wait about 3 months untill they found out a way to do it themselves and yet then fail to determinate all the bots and even ban innocent players. A-net should start listening to their players and use their help.

Yes, there will always be people who get banned for no reason, but there are always people who do get banned for botting claiming they didn't bot. Anet has to check logs to confirm whether it's a legitimate case or not.
I presume their resources in this area are stretched rather thin, what with the development of guild wars 2 taking priority..
Anet staff do not really patrol the in-game environments looking for botters and rulebreakers, so chances are bots will remain until people actually bother to send in enough support tickets.

I think A-net is yet going to start doing something when GW2 is out and that is as we all no a shit long time. So the economy of GW is pretty much going to get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up and when GW2 is released GW1 gets pretty useless since all the items are worth nothing.

lol at the red engine gored xD

They do stuff in areas that are already farmed such as ToA or TopK. Why ? Because there are actually people who see them... I could quote plenty of places where there are people botting too or places with many bugs to abuse , however nothing was done for about a year now... Why? Because there is noone in those places , thus noone who can see bots and report....

An other fact already mentionned is that those bots aren't really damaging the game a lot... If you believe the game's economy is destroyed , you should just get some thoughts on consumables and shadow form....

apparently they use autoit which is a macro program meant for business sites....and a dll injector that automatically injects a dll library every time the program is run then when its closed deleted the library....already sent a few methods which they havent detected which are the possibility of how they are botting.

Yes what are you talking about. I've been fortunate enough to have 1 account banned, while I was legitly on a farm grind. Some people are just idiots and get the wrong idea.

Back to topic;

There will always be bots. End of Story.

What? The N/Mo bots just use an auto-clicker bot to farm. Those have always been undetected. They just ban based on play patterns (if they ban at all).

This isn't a "new system". What you're thinking of was used to farm ToPK, but when Anet realized they couldn't detect the bots, then just changed the spawn.

Perhaps i should be more clear in my assertion of where my belief is so shallow

I've not seen many posts where there was no guilt where the innocents accounts have NOT been restored.

As a constant Jade Quarry player, I have seen groups of 2-3 bots that:

• Follow each each
• Run the same build
• Usually are Mesmers and Necromancers

That may have something to do with believing that people who say they're innocent are liars.
My guess would be that you've also never seen a witch who wasn't a witch.

What Anet does is wait for enough people to start botting, they give everybody a false sense of security by doing nothing, when enough people figure that out and go like "oh yea nobody's gettin banned, why not try it myself?" they decide it's a proper time to issue unjust bans to everything that SEEMS suspicious to them; that way people are just gonna have to buy more accounts and therefore they get more money out of it.

And when you ask them how on hella earth you got banned and what for they tell you they are 100% sure you did something wrong but can't tell you so as you won't figure out their methods of detection guessing of infractions.


Get over it, that's your gaming company. Expecting post to get deleted in less than 1 hour so enjoy.

There's no mystery about it... they're likely using repetitive pathing tracking. It's the foundation of a bot utilizing waypoints that works against it in the detection process. Detecting repetitive hits on the same waypoint for hours on end by the same toon isn't exactly rocket science.

Bot writers will claim that their bot is undetectable because it uses variances in its pathing... but the analyzer is still going to see that the same series of waypoints are being used, even if they're not being used in consecutive instances. They're also noting when the same waypoints are being hit across accounts... if 500 "people" all are farming the same area, and 490 of them all seem to hit the same series of 35 waypoints at some point in their sessions (say points 1,4,6,11,15,21 on one go; 2,5,6,22,26,34 on another go, etc.) it's an extremely good bet that those 490 are using bots. The other 10, conversely, are showing a much more diverse pathing.

Are real players sometimes going to be caught up in this? Occasionally... and even more commonly in an area where most mob movement is highly predictable (Snowball Dominance & ToPK, anyone?). But those instances are actually rare. People have a vested interest in claiming their innocence. Despite your assertion, companies do not have a vested interest in falsely banning players. For one thing, falsely banned players almost NEVER return to a developer or publisher... and they tend to take their friends with them.

Someone busted for botting who was in fact botting? They're almost certain to come back, ironically enough. If only because they're determined to "beat" the company.

Duration is part of the detection algorithm as well. Is a human player really going to be hitting the same 35 waypoints again and again through an 8+ hour gaming session 5-7 days a week? No. Greed gets botters busted. "I didn't get caught using this for an hour yesterday... I'll do two hours today..." and usage increases exponentially. That's tracked as well.

It's less about mouse clicks and key strikes than it is about pathing and duration.

I am in the camp that rarely believes someone has been falsely banned. I've spent too many years listening to "I didn't do anything" as I'm sitting there looking at irrefutable data that proves they did... data demonstrating a consistency in patterns no human being (beyond possibly an autistic savant) COULD replicate.

I can prove you wrong in 2 lines. Even they admitted they banned innocent people and unbanned some of em. Not all of them tho. Therefore...



Not to mention I already said i'm not looking for sympathy or whatever, I couldn't really care less as long as I know what I did and what I didn't. For me, NcSoft is being a **** company and dragged Anet down as well.

Please elaborate - what point did I make that you are "proving wrong"?

lol


on another note, theyre gonna have to add check boxes like when u register on websites in new games soon cos botting is out of hand on all games, that is kinda sad

there is no way to truly detect a bot that uses autoit or w/e similar stuff, simulating clicks and keystrokes, its very hard to make the difference between a bot and a player, considering most 'good' bots if u can even say that have SOMEWHAT randomized inputs... eg the time inbetween clicks will not alwyas be the same and patterns can change a bi, etc.... dont feel nor wanna get into detail

I am in the camp that rarely believes someone has been falsely banned. I've spent too many years listening to "I didn't do anything" as I'm sitting there looking at irrefutable data that proves they did... data demonstrating a consistency in patterns no human being (beyond possibly an autistic savant) COULD replicate.





You said you don't really believe people got falsely banned. And even the company admitted that happened.

No, I didn't say I don't really believe people get falsely banned. I said I am in the camp that rarely believes someone has been falsely banned.

That's a significant difference.

And considering that I stated very clearly in my post that sometimes real players DO get caught up in a bot banning, that sort of makes your assertion silly.

Every day I get support emails from players claiming they were falsely banned for using bots/macros. In less than 5% of the cases is that actually true. Mistakes can and do happen, and a company that plans to stay in business resolves those mistakes wherever possible... but I could not even count the number of "I'm innocent" emails I've received from players who were ALSO stupid enough to use in-game communication systems to discuss their bot/macro use with others. Or those who are dumb enough to use same/similar user names and are posting on fansites about their bot/macro use one day, then crying about their innocence to me the next because they ended up banned.

So yes, I rarely believe players who claim they were falsely banned for botting.

Rarely is not the same as never.

Yup Noticed that Too there's Bots at Zos shivros Channel...It's constant.
Following Districts i've Noticed have Botters:
American
Most Europe Districs
Asian Districts

Hell this Seems like standing in the Tombs of the Primevil Kings again During the Halloween Celebration when i recorded 25+Players botting for ectos.

I've seen a few bots in JQ their paths are just the same on the kurzick side from purple to yellow which is pretty obvious I usually play as a ranger there.

It's freaking annoying to see them run around like headless chickens, either a ele or mesmer repeating the same path over and over.

This is why I stopped farming lol @ this bold stuff, it's fun.

Indded, if you see some are is being heavilly botted, last think you should want do is to load farming build identical to their and join stream of bots running out of outpost.

Yes, but once you see:

* Players who claim they was just playin too well ("QQ, anet punished me for being too precise in exection of my farm build")
* Players who claims that thier primary account on which he offloaded spoil of thier botting with throwaway accounts was banned unfairly because they did not bot on it.

etc.

It is kinda hard to consider those bans mistakes.

Especially when people try to play "i am major wiki and forum contributor"/"i am veteran who spent lots of money on gw" cards.

Regardless of them botting, it's almost impossible to get appealed if you are banned for bottting, since all you get is a template saying, we know you were botting, we consider this matter closed, all further emails will be ignored.

It would be like if there was a huge television robbery and all of the residents of a poor neighborhood suddenly has a television. Now multiply this incidence by 10. Now the odds are that they probably stole them, but to arrest everyone in the neighborhood with a television and not hearing their side of the story is absurd.

I'm not saying that banning bots is bad, however the way they dealt with appeals, by completely ignoring them, is shady.

All this thread told me was that if you're a Mesmer or Necromancer, don't go to Zos Shivros for the time being. If you have to go there, just do what you have to do quickly and don't come back. Specifically, say something random when entering so no one immediately stamps a "you're a botter" mark on you.

If you get banned, make sure you have a screenshot of yourself proving you're a real person and not a downloaded piece of 3rd party data.

DLL injection was detected and usually results in an instant ban.

hmm a screeny every day with time and date. nah. I have done most farms and also during times when a banhammer hitted. And I have never been banned for it while having auto mode on and repeating almost the same after countless of runs. And only A-net can do research after botters and will prop have some sort of line were the possibilty is high enough to were a player really is botting ( for example zone in and out with the same delay every time or a detecting a loop) And I doubt that there is one person hitting a random button saying to ban or not to ban 80/20 are the odds. And it's the same with gold sellers cus if there weren't any buyers there wouldn't be sellers :P

I personally know someone who hit all three of those points and was told there was, "Undeniable proof", of him being a bot. Fast forward 2 years and being unbanned once their, "undeniable proof", was shown to be false and he still has account issues anytime he wants to farm or add items through the store. It's been nothing but a nightmare for him since he was falsely convicted (not accused because they had, "undeniable proof", but convicted). I'm surprised he even plays at this point.

Back on topic, I agree that for the time being, my mesmer and necromancer will not be visiting Zos Shivros. In game monitoring would be nice but ArenaNet has stated it's not going to happen.

Would screenshots really help in this situation? I have, like, 2 GB worth of screenies and fear Support might dismiss them without a glance. All this talk of innocent, random people getting caught under the Ban Hammer has me spooked. The mere thought of losing a 6 year-old account because of an oversight is pretty disturbing.