Req matter on certain staves?
Lithril Ashwalker
i sell these staves yet no one wants because its req 12 or req 13. correct me if im wrong but arent requirements only there to reach the full damage from the weapon(or a few unique staves for more energy)... whos going to want a staff for q9 water...just to want to wand the damn enemy to death? arent the main requirements 20/20 or 40/20? arent the skill benefits fro mthe staves most important and not the req?
IronSheik
Keep in mind on q13/q12, weakness lowers attributes by 1, and not everyone runs 13/14 in certain areas.
Some builds DO run only 8/9 points in certain attributes, and 13 damage is ALWAYS better than 2 damage, especially in PvP.
Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point
Physical req it only matters of very specific builds, as most don't weapon swap, so provided you have 14 spec, you'll do same damage with q7-13, so these sell relatively easy, as casters buy high reqs because as you said, they don't need it, only the mod benefits, the physical classes buy the low reqs.
But casters tend to dip into other attributes. You'll have a hard time selling a water/spawn/FC/Inspire q11+ simply because many don't run it that high.
Water isn't used in PvE anymore, if I need a snare I can bring a 0 spec deep freeze.
This goes for Spawn/FC/Inspire, they just don't sell.
Some builds DO run only 8/9 points in certain attributes, and 13 damage is ALWAYS better than 2 damage, especially in PvP.
Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point
Physical req it only matters of very specific builds, as most don't weapon swap, so provided you have 14 spec, you'll do same damage with q7-13, so these sell relatively easy, as casters buy high reqs because as you said, they don't need it, only the mod benefits, the physical classes buy the low reqs.
But casters tend to dip into other attributes. You'll have a hard time selling a water/spawn/FC/Inspire q11+ simply because many don't run it that high.
Water isn't used in PvE anymore, if I need a snare I can bring a 0 spec deep freeze.
This goes for Spawn/FC/Inspire, they just don't sell.
Del
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Keep in mind on q13/q12, weakness lowers attributes by 1, and not everyone runs 13/14 in certain areas.
Some builds DO run only 8/9 points in certain attributes, and 13 damage is ALWAYS better than 2 damage, especially in PvP. Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point |
Lithril Ashwalker
well put this, i have a current offer of 50e for a staff
some guy didnt want it ...because it wasnt r9 and claimed it was merch food because it was q10 water...well...just look
now if im right its hard to find a 20/20 celestial staff (probably why i got an offer of 50e)
and he turned down the staff....just becasue of req?!....why would u wand or staff soemthing to death...
some guy didnt want it ...because it wasnt r9 and claimed it was merch food because it was q10 water...well...just look
now if im right its hard to find a 20/20 celestial staff (probably why i got an offer of 50e)
and he turned down the staff....just becasue of req?!....why would u wand or staff soemthing to death...
Don Zardeone
Wanding stuff kills, eventually. back in the day, if we spiked, I'd wand the target, even though I was a monk. If you hit for like 20 damage, that's 20 damage.
If you're a damage build, with damage skills, and they're recharging, you should be wanding. If not, then don't bother playing.
In PvE on the other hand, meh. I like putting req9 collector/crafter/green staves on my dudes because they're pro at wanding.
Sometimes I think the majority of our damage comes from wanding. May be my imagination though.
If you're a damage build, with damage skills, and they're recharging, you should be wanding. If not, then don't bother playing.
In PvE on the other hand, meh. I like putting req9 collector/crafter/green staves on my dudes because they're pro at wanding.
Sometimes I think the majority of our damage comes from wanding. May be my imagination though.
Lynette Le Sange
It's only hard to find a 20/20 cele staff where the req matches the HCT. If you put an adept staff head on your req water staff, it will have HCT fire 20% and HCT water 20% (which is both ugly and useless- you can get that same effect with a 20/10). If it were req fire, you could get 2x HCT fire 20% (useful). It's got nothing to do with wanding and everything to do with rarity and functionality.
If you keep advertising in kamadan "WTS 20/20 Fire cele staff" people assume it's also req fire, and will offer accordingly. Not writing that it's req water just wastes your time and theirs.
If I were you I would just merch that staff...
If you keep advertising in kamadan "WTS 20/20 Fire cele staff" people assume it's also req fire, and will offer accordingly. Not writing that it's req water just wastes your time and theirs.
If I were you I would just merch that staff...
Lithril Ashwalker
its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20%
its not merch fodder
its not merch fodder
Del
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its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20%
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Bristlebane
Who would use this kind of staff? Very few Eles would spec into dual attunements, except perhaps a gimmicky Master of Magic build?
I can see a slight use if the attunements were reversed as you might use for example Deep Freeze at low or no spec, but not the other way around.
I can see a slight use if the attunements were reversed as you might use for example Deep Freeze at low or no spec, but not the other way around.
old gray dude
sry to disapoint u but mixed mod staffs even celestial ones noone wants u do find the rare collector who collect mixed mod staffs but ur not gonna get what ur thinking its worth
tuna-fish_sushi
not everyone is going to use adept mod on their staff, Its definitely a keeper but you probably won't get too much for it, but definitely not worth merching.
LifeInfusion
if reqs matter much it's because you're running Eles... hence you need to wand. Also, wanding is if you're a heal/prot monk with no damage. Most eles run 14 in their attribute.
I wouldn't bother selling that staff. It's mismatched mods.
Necros and Mesmers have less need for wanding because spells are on <7 cooldown...
I wouldn't bother selling that staff. It's mismatched mods.
Necros and Mesmers have less need for wanding because spells are on <7 cooldown...
Rites
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its hct of all spells....hsr of fire 20% its not merch fodder |
use a little common sense.. would YOU use this staff and thus spec into both water and fire attributes?
and if your answer is yes, lemme see the build you use so i can laugh at you
Lithril Ashwalker
:/ then check the past bids on it.
i bought this staff on here for 45e...
and other offers were aroudn 35-40e in the first place....i just bought out.
so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed
or your not paying attention to the true value.
BACK ON TOPIC*
so your saying if this staff had q10water and HSR of WATER....theres a higher chance if i met the Q10?
so q10 water isnt just for damage?
i bought this staff on here for 45e...
and other offers were aroudn 35-40e in the first place....i just bought out.
so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed
or your not paying attention to the true value.
BACK ON TOPIC*
so your saying if this staff had q10water and HSR of WATER....theres a higher chance if i met the Q10?
so q10 water isnt just for damage?
Rites
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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker
so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed |
simply put...
you were attracted to the item cuz it was a celestial weapon and 20/10, but you apparently did not pay attention to the split attributes of the staff, which is something your perspective buyers are looking at
yes you could make money on the staff, but it is nowhere near the value of a similar staff with only 1 attribute
old gray dude
all im gonna say on it is post some screens if u do sell it that will def shut mine and everyone elses mouth until then i still hold the thought that is isnt total crap but its not the great staff u are trying to present it as
Lithril Ashwalker
look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread.
WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..
THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking}
if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters
WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..
THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking}
if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters
Del
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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker
look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread.
WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION.. THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking} if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters |
BrettM
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WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..
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Infectious
This staff is useless.
For pvp duties 40/40 wand + offhand.
Staff for enchanting.
Spear and sheild for spiking.
For pvp duties 40/40 wand + offhand.
Staff for enchanting.
Spear and sheild for spiking.
Verene
Req can matter because you'll be autoattacking between spellcasts. Or at least you should be.
And mixed attributes like that generally make a staff worthless.
And mixed attributes like that generally make a staff worthless.
Kojima
Simply put. If I were looking for a staff, I will not be buying it. Perhaps others are thinking the same too.
Lithril Ashwalker
actually its in white...HSR of spells is 20%
HCT is in gold 20%
SWIIFT head is 10% which i added on..
i bought the staff as is..
and i see ur point in the req now :/ but of course
hers the new thing...almost every mesmers gonna use backfire,wastrels demise SPAM, and some crappy degen...so why does damage matter when ur butthurt every direction?
thats whyi said it was
HSR all spells 20%
HCT fire 20%
HCT all spells 10%
HCT is in gold 20%
SWIIFT head is 10% which i added on..
i bought the staff as is..
and i see ur point in the req now :/ but of course
hers the new thing...almost every mesmers gonna use backfire,wastrels demise SPAM, and some crappy degen...so why does damage matter when ur butthurt every direction?
thats whyi said it was
HSR all spells 20%
HCT fire 20%
HCT all spells 10%
old gray dude
ok let me say this slowly so maybe u can finally get it the things that make 20/20 staffs so exp and great items that sell for 100e+ is that the mods are the same fire req hct fire
that way u can put a adept staff and a +1 staff wrapping then u can have a staff that is 40/20 +1/20% all fire ur staff can never do that so there for its not the kind of celestial staff that sells for insane amounts of ecto ever no matter what u try to say other its just not ever gonna be
that way u can put a adept staff and a +1 staff wrapping then u can have a staff that is 40/20 +1/20% all fire ur staff can never do that so there for its not the kind of celestial staff that sells for insane amounts of ecto ever no matter what u try to say other its just not ever gonna be
Tripolityx
This, I'm sorry man. There's rlly nothing to explain more out of it.
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so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed
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Bristlebane
The times you don't care about req, it's usually better to go spear/focus or spear/shield set anyway.
Venganza
I suspect all the banter about mixed mods and suchlike is getting way off topic.
It is true that damage from wands/staves does matter, you can calculate it if you want to bother quite easily.
For me however, when I solo UW, using a staff (or bow) allows me to direct damage where I so desire (out of aggro range), moreover the damage from a weapon is for all intents and purposes and extra spirit.
Let us be honest here however, the main reason almost everyone turns up their noses at anything but q9, is we simply want what we perceive to be the best, and what commands the most prestige in the market.
The only q10 weapon I own is a Curses BDS on a necro hero for example.
This game is about titles and "stuff", and we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?
It is true that damage from wands/staves does matter, you can calculate it if you want to bother quite easily.
For me however, when I solo UW, using a staff (or bow) allows me to direct damage where I so desire (out of aggro range), moreover the damage from a weapon is for all intents and purposes and extra spirit.
Let us be honest here however, the main reason almost everyone turns up their noses at anything but q9, is we simply want what we perceive to be the best, and what commands the most prestige in the market.
The only q10 weapon I own is a Curses BDS on a necro hero for example.
This game is about titles and "stuff", and we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?
cataphract
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Originally Posted by IronSheik
Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point.
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Matirion Maeronta
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Originally Posted by Venganza
This game is about titles and "stuff", and we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?
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Del
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Originally Posted by Venganza
we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?
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Don Zardeone
I'm more practical with more common sense thus I buy collector, crafter or green items that cost around 500g, >5000g and 1-3k g respectively and are all perfect.
=P
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Dzjudz
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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker
look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread.
WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION.. THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking} if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters |
So in this case, if you put an Adept Staff Head on your staff, you will still have the inherent 20% HCT of Fire, but you will also have 20% HCT of Water. You can't add mods that interact with Fire other than a Staff Wrapping of Fire Magic.
following spirit
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Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point
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back to topic. when i first was looking at staves i was just as confused. Now when i get mixed attributes and high req i just look see if there are builds about that could or would use it. if there arent the merch is always willing
example r10 divine 20/20 protection which is of some use was sold for 10k. not alot but it was usable.
HawkofStorms
*Whistles innocently as he puts his customized req 8 mursatt horn bow behind his back*
If you just played enough, req 8s can be found on their own. It's just a lot of inexperienced people don't recognize their value so they get rid of them. Heck, when I'm clearing out my storage a bit, I've almost accidentally merchanted req 8/7 stuff because I look at it and go "now why am I keeping a 14% long bow again?" before I notice the requirement again.
If you just played enough, req 8s can be found on their own. It's just a lot of inexperienced people don't recognize their value so they get rid of them. Heck, when I'm clearing out my storage a bit, I've almost accidentally merchanted req 8/7 stuff because I look at it and go "now why am I keeping a 14% long bow again?" before I notice the requirement again.
Lithril Ashwalker
Someone must want it in game now but got offer for 25e and I'm gonna take it, also someone showed me what u guys meant thank u for being a pain to get me to see , wouldn't figured out if I got confused, one more question before this thread is closed , still possible to get 20(white)/20(gold inherit)inscribable staff to make a 40/40?
Del
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Someone must want it in game now but got offer for 25e and I'm gonna take it
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still possible to get 20(white)/20(gold inherit)inscribable staff to make a 40/40?
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cataphract
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yep they do use a R8 15-28 which i got when they used to drop shame its a 14^50. its a recurve. a shame ive not got the full set cause even with that i still need to spec 9 in marks cause of swapping to the others.
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a) I thought the game did not differentiate between 14^50 and 15^50.
b) Why would you want to wield a bow and lower your Marksmanship attribute?
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
If you just played enough, req 8s can be found on their own.
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following spirit
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Two things:
a) I thought the game did not differentiate between 14^50 and 15^50. b) Why would you want to wield a bow and lower your Marksmanship attribute? 9300 hours played and I haven't seen a maxed req8 drop. |
B,really so i can use a bow whilst using other builds and get the proper damage. something ive been playing around with.
C, max damage ie 15-28 r8 bows dont drop anymore. since the nerf ( or whatever it was) see lundy's low req thread. Max a r8 will drop now is 14-27.
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*Whistles innocently as he puts his customized req 8 mursatt horn bow behind his back*.
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cataphract
Whaaaaa..? Req 8 bows not dropping with max damage any more? I wasn't aware of that. Which is not surprising since I don't pay much attention anyway.
This would be the perfect time to get some req 8 bows, don't you think? Saw a req 8 Longbow for sale couple of days ago. And while I prefer to have high Marksmanship in most of my builds, playing as BM makes me drop it to 9 or even 8.
This would be the perfect time to get some req 8 bows, don't you think? Saw a req 8 Longbow for sale couple of days ago. And while I prefer to have high Marksmanship in most of my builds, playing as BM makes me drop it to 9 or even 8.
Bristlebane
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almost every mesmers gonna use backfire
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