single dp removal for heroes
Swingline
Make it so you can use wintergreen/peppermint candy canes on heroes. It would be cool to use single dp removers on them. If you want to waste 7 ccs on them I think you should have the right, it will cost you more money anyways. Keep all the other single cons away from them though.
AngelWJedi
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oh gods yes i want this. so hate how the party wide is always more then the single dp remover. plus it would save room in my bag. xD
oh gods yes i want this. so hate how the party wide is always more then the single dp remover. plus it would save room in my bag. xD
Miteshu
Very useful.
Monsters tend to target the one with the most DP. Therefore making my healer hero accumulate 60 DP very fast.
Monsters tend to target the one with the most DP. Therefore making my healer hero accumulate 60 DP very fast.
Braxton619
/signed
Would be very useful since then I wouldn't have to use my 4 leaf clovers..
Would be very useful since then I wouldn't have to use my 4 leaf clovers..
Zai Rhaal
Would you still get sugar points for using it?
FoxBat
You should add a concrete suggestion *how* to implement this, particularly one that is easy/simple, if you expect it to see the light of day. It's not like this idea has never crossed anyone's mind before.
TheGizzy
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
You should add a concrete suggestion *how* to implement this, particularly one that is easy/simple, if you expect it to see the light of day. It's not like this idea has never crossed anyone's mind before.
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Oh, and /signed.
I have a rather large stock of honeycombs & rainbow candy canes at my disposal for use as hero DP removal (I didn't get nearly as many clovers as I'd have liked), but it feels very wasteful to me when I can't direct one of the many 15%/full removals I have towards my heroes instead.
Outerworld
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I'll admit there are times when I wish I could use the removals on heroes but really if they are dying so often you're suppossed to actually fix the builds, not spam sweets to make the punishment go away.
I'll admit there are times when I wish I could use the removals on heroes but really if they are dying so often you're suppossed to actually fix the builds, not spam sweets to make the punishment go away.
Spiritz
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I'll admit there are times when I wish I could use the removals on heroes but really if they are dying so often you're suppossed to actually fix the builds, not spam sweets to make the punishment go away. |
Eg Discordway can have probs if theres strong hex/condition removal.
Say you have a team build with 2 mm`s pumping 10 minions each and some reason 1 or both dies ( say a boss got a lucky aoe on them ) now you have a problem where you are temporary 2 men down and foes have increased by almost 20 due to masterless minions and this puts more strain on team especially with healing.
Thats just a theoretical scene but it can happen - i even did sparkfly swamp vq and from start to finish every foe seemed to have it in for dunkoro ( they left the other monk well alone ) and i was surprised at the end he only had 18% dp even tho he spent most of his time dead - was both funny and sad as the sad part was i even stopped attacking and stood still and i was ignored by foes ... next time i might make dunkoro into some fun tank and take a load of aoe nukers to wipe foes out while they see to dunkoro lol.
Shadow Sentinel
That's why it's more effective to use different builds in different parts of the game...
Of course, I don't really care what builds other people use. If they want to use less effective builds and DP removal, I don't really have a problem with it. I can always sell them my sweets.
Of course, I don't really care what builds other people use. If they want to use less effective builds and DP removal, I don't really have a problem with it. I can always sell them my sweets.
Outerworld
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Originally Posted by Spiritz
Not every build for a hero team ( or any team ) can be 100% strong - remember your only as strong as your weakest link and every team build has a weak link somewhere.
Eg Discordway can have probs if theres strong hex/condition removal. Say you have a team build with 2 mm`s pumping 10 minions each and some reason 1 or both dies ( say a boss got a lucky aoe on them ) now you have a problem where you are temporary 2 men down and foes have increased by almost 20 due to masterless minions and this puts more strain on team especially with healing. Thats just a theoretical scene but it can happen - i even did sparkfly swamp vq and from start to finish every foe seemed to have it in for dunkoro ( they left the other monk well alone ) and i was surprised at the end he only had 18% dp even tho he spent most of his time dead - was both funny and sad as the sad part was i even stopped attacking and stood still and i was ignored by foes ... next time i might make dunkoro into some fun tank and take a load of aoe nukers to wipe foes out while they see to dunkoro lol. |
Miteshu
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Originally Posted by Outerworld
That dp gained from that scenario wouldn't significant however so you wouldn't need to use sweets there. It only really becomes an issue when 1)It's partywide and 2)It's past 30%.
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-Foes will target the healer.
-If Foes kill the healer, the healer gets concentrated on. Therefore targeting only the healer.
-Healer heroes will have less energy, making energy management even worse than before.
-Whole group dies from not having enough heals.
Outerworld
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Originally Posted by Miteshu
3) When only the healer gets 60 DP.
-Foes will target the healer. -If Foes kill the healer, the healer gets concentrated on. Therefore targeting only the healer. -Healer heroes will have less energy, making energy management even worse than before. -Whole group dies from not having enough heals. |
Miteshu
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Originally Posted by Outerworld
It's highly unlikely that the one healer will have 60% dp and the rest having no dp at all, bringing me back to what I said earlier; you should fix the team, not just eat sweets and make it go away
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Spiritz
We mean by a common scenario - Not everyone runs meta team builds and especially sabway or discordway.
Another example in a way would be vaetire farmers who apart from the vaetire farms risk of death they have a small risk of death running to jaga because the map contains a random worm popup which is only random in the sence he doesnt always show.
You can run it say 100x and only 2 or 3 times get the wurm and often its that unexpected you get hit/hexed and die but this is a weak example and only covers 1 person.
But if in a zone where there are popup spawns but the spawns have several spawn locations that can catch a party out - think of mindblades in chaos plains and 3 possible spawn points each mob.
Remember some zones and elite zones have anti caster foes , enviromental effects or even secret lair of snowmen where theres no xp to be gained and if bad luck arises on your heros they will gain dp which will never go down.
Think of it this way - we have to equip our heros with runes/weapons/skills , they steal our drops and xp/cash but weirdly unless we use clovers and have dp ourselves we have no real way to remove their dp
Another example in a way would be vaetire farmers who apart from the vaetire farms risk of death they have a small risk of death running to jaga because the map contains a random worm popup which is only random in the sence he doesnt always show.
You can run it say 100x and only 2 or 3 times get the wurm and often its that unexpected you get hit/hexed and die but this is a weak example and only covers 1 person.
But if in a zone where there are popup spawns but the spawns have several spawn locations that can catch a party out - think of mindblades in chaos plains and 3 possible spawn points each mob.
Remember some zones and elite zones have anti caster foes , enviromental effects or even secret lair of snowmen where theres no xp to be gained and if bad luck arises on your heros they will gain dp which will never go down.
Think of it this way - we have to equip our heros with runes/weapons/skills , they steal our drops and xp/cash but weirdly unless we use clovers and have dp ourselves we have no real way to remove their dp
Outerworld
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Originally Posted by Miteshu
Really? After being spiked by one group, my healer accumulated 15 dp, and then after going to the next group, the healer got spiked again.
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Masseur
Another button off to the side of your heroes/henchies (a USE) button and after clicking it, you can click on something that would normally only affect you (such as a candy cane), but it affects the hero/henchie that the USE button is pressed for. Just a thought off the top of my head.
Swingline
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
You should add a concrete suggestion *how* to implement this, particularly one that is easy/simple, if you expect it to see the light of day. It's not like this idea has never crossed anyone's mind before.
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Balthazar Blessed
/signed
+ Sweet title will be easier (single dp remove just doesn't work for sweet title)
+ Sweet title will be easier (single dp remove just doesn't work for sweet title)
dagrdagaz
/signed
Feels like a bit of a waste using Honeycombs to get rid of DP on 1 or 2 heroes.
Feels like a bit of a waste using Honeycombs to get rid of DP on 1 or 2 heroes.
Miteshu
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Originally Posted by Outerworld
Then fix your healer.
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Outerworld
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Originally Posted by Miteshu
Or have Hero DP removal instead.
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Swingline
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Originally Posted by Outerworld
And this is why cons are bad for the game.
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Kurosaki129
/sign for the suggestion. i have a whole lot of candycanes and don't seem to find a place to use them.
They are currently holding up space, it'd be nice to find a system to use them efficiently.
They are currently holding up space, it'd be nice to find a system to use them efficiently.
Cuilan
If heroes are better than players, I don't see how this would let you use them more if heroes are so incredibly superior. Nobody would die.
Just play the game, you'll end up using them anyway.
Just play the game, you'll end up using them anyway.
Zenzai
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Originally Posted by Cuilan
If heroes are better than players, I don't see how this would let you use them more if heroes are so incredibly superior. Nobody would die.
Just play the game, you'll end up using them anyway. |
Gard
This game has become a lot easier with the implementation of 7 hero's.
Now you want single DP removers? How easy do you want it to be?
Now you want single DP removers? How easy do you want it to be?
Lawliet Kira
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and for the people that are against it, don't use it.
and for the people that are against it, don't use it.
MithranArkanere
I wouldn't mind being able to drop items in their inventory portraits to give them to them. I never have any use for them, since I never die, only they die.