hey peeps, i was just in gunnars and was accused of overcharging people bc I OFFERED to run a guy from vlox to gadds for 4k. Now to me, my price is my price, if u got a problem with it you can leave. Now in my eyes I was doing my own thing and the guy i offered it to said i had a bad sense of judgement.
question is:
Is there a set price or does the runner(s) decide what they will charge?
Can a customer report you for running at a higher than average price?
Note: I just want your opinions on this, not a fullblown accusation of me being a scammer/ripperofferer.
Can a runner actually "over" charge people?
jon comgree
evilseabass
there is no set price for anything in this game (run, item, etc). The runner (or trader) sets whatever price they want, and if someone is willing to pay that price, cool beans.
end of story
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Kook~NBK~
You're the runner. You're the one providing the service. You set the price. If someone is willing to pay the price you set, they'll pay it. If no one is willing to pay your price, you MIGHT be over-charging. The best gauge for pricing on any in-game service is seeing what others are charging.
Just because one person says you're overcharging doesn't neccessarily make it so. That person may simply be looking for a discount.
Just because one person says you're overcharging doesn't neccessarily make it so. That person may simply be looking for a discount.
Delete HB Already
You are right. You can run for any price you want and if it's too high for someone then they can find a cheaper runner or run themself or fight their way. You cannot get banned for charging 4k for a run like that. I highly doubt that you would get banned even if you charged 100k for runs. Anyways you might get flamed by someone who doesn't agree with your price and even if they report you, nothing will happen.
RedDog91
Something is only worth what someone will pay for it.
If you get someone to pay 4k for that run, then it was worth 4k to them.
If you don't get anyone to pay 4k, obviously its not worth 4k.
^ may sound a bit rude to the person who wants the money, but its the truth behind all business.
If you get someone to pay 4k for that run, then it was worth 4k to them.
If you don't get anyone to pay 4k, obviously its not worth 4k.
^ may sound a bit rude to the person who wants the money, but its the truth behind all business.
AngelWJedi
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
Something is only worth what someone will pay for it.
If you get someone to pay 4k for that run, then it was worth 4k to them. If you don't get anyone to pay 4k, obviously its not worth 4k. ^ may sound a bit rude to the person who wants the money, but its the truth behind all business. |
Lithril Ashwalker
If u want it bad ull pay what they ask..if not u got a 7 hero update ...use em
Timey
Reddog sums it up pretty much.
Also, overcharging isn't a reason to report. It's one thing if you advertised a run for 2k then said well I change my mind I want 4k half way through, you told him your price up front.
Also, overcharging isn't a reason to report. It's one thing if you advertised a run for 2k then said well I change my mind I want 4k half way through, you told him your price up front.
Essence Snow
There are sorta prices that are set for things...That run from Vlox to Gadds is typically 1k
Now since I am assuming you were the "only game in town" at that time...that was the reason that the price was 4k vs the standard.
Tbh I dont agree with all of the above posters......I think that even if one is the only one offering the service at a given time they should not exploit that fact to gouge ppl. A small increase over the standard price is to be expected but going overboard......yeah..I think I would have called you out on it as well. Kinda a "golden rule" deal. If you needed a run somewhere or for something would you like it if the only option was someone that was charging 4x the normal price? While you might pay it...it doesn't change the fact that it is well above the "normal price".
Whether or not the person choses to pay any given price or not has no bearing on overcharging. Overcharging is simply charging more than a regular price.
Now since I am assuming you were the "only game in town" at that time...that was the reason that the price was 4k vs the standard.
Tbh I dont agree with all of the above posters......I think that even if one is the only one offering the service at a given time they should not exploit that fact to gouge ppl. A small increase over the standard price is to be expected but going overboard......yeah..I think I would have called you out on it as well. Kinda a "golden rule" deal. If you needed a run somewhere or for something would you like it if the only option was someone that was charging 4x the normal price? While you might pay it...it doesn't change the fact that it is well above the "normal price".
Whether or not the person choses to pay any given price or not has no bearing on overcharging. Overcharging is simply charging more than a regular price.
KZaske
I think you should ignore Essence. You quoted a price, if they think it is fair than the customer pays. If the customer does not like the price, they don't pay and you go without a customer. Simple as that. There are no "set prices" in Guild Wars, there is an average cost for a service but the only way to find what that is, is to watch the other runners.
Lithril Ashwalker
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I think you should ignore Essence. You quoted a price, if they think it is fair than the customer pays. If the customer does not like the price, they don't pay and you go without a customer. Simple as that. There are no "set prices" in Guild Wars, there is an average cost for a service but the only way to find what that is, is to watch the other runners.
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(its worth what your willing to pay.)
the bold can really give a straight answer to the thread
TSS
You only charge what people are willing to pay. It works for everything, including running. I could charge 7 stacks of ectos and 100k for a crappy weapon as long as I'm willing to sit in spamadan and sell it. I'm not over charging because to someone it would be worth that. The great thing about the Guild Wars economy is that its pretty much a barter system so there aren't really any set prices (for player to player transactions, obviously player to NPC and vice versa has set prices).
If anyone accuses you of overcharging them just say what I usually say, "Thats my price, if you don't like it, find someone else to do it."
If anyone accuses you of overcharging them just say what I usually say, "Thats my price, if you don't like it, find someone else to do it."
pinkeyflower
There may not be a set price but there is most probably a consensus on what the range of prices that is deemed acceptable is. So if your price is outside that then yes you can 'overcharge' people but that is in the eyes of the beholder.
jackinthe
never. running these days (apart from dungeon or endgame) is so far down the food chain. inflation never caught up with running so even though people have so much more now, they still expect a, what 10 or 15 minute run?, to cost them a pittance.
i know some people will pay or tip generously if they need something fast or are impressed with you, but i can't even stomach running anymore.
i know some people will pay or tip generously if they need something fast or are impressed with you, but i can't even stomach running anymore.
davehall
While there is no set price for goods/services there is usually a "going rate" or cost/fee players are willing to pay. The only way a runner can be properly accused of scamming is accepting the agreed-upon price for a run, taking the cash, then reneging on the actual (full or complete) run.
The wiki article on running pretty much outlines the pros and cons of running (as a service). As a former runner I can certainly relate to wanting to price my services a little higher then the going rate -- personally it’s really not worth the time/effort to run a single person from Lion’s Arch to Ascalon City for 1K-2K, considering I can easily make more money in that same amount of time doing other things. In addition, waiting around for more "customers" (to make a run more worthwhile) is even more time-consuming.
These days I pretty much only run friends/guidies that need a run. But when I use to run (as an offered service) I usually charge (for those longer hauls) whatever the going rate is/was but included a provision that I could “leave now” if my "charges" are willing to pay a higher fee if they didn’t want or couldn’t wait around for more paying customers.
Before Night Fall came out my best cash return on running (as a service) was the "Iron Mines to Grotto" run, solely on tips alone – it was a short 10-12 min run x 7 paying customers (between 500gp to 2K each). (This was before speedbooking, mission running, etc.)
However, if you plan to charge what may be considered to be an outrageous price for run, be prepared to be ridiculed.
The wiki article on running pretty much outlines the pros and cons of running (as a service). As a former runner I can certainly relate to wanting to price my services a little higher then the going rate -- personally it’s really not worth the time/effort to run a single person from Lion’s Arch to Ascalon City for 1K-2K, considering I can easily make more money in that same amount of time doing other things. In addition, waiting around for more "customers" (to make a run more worthwhile) is even more time-consuming.
These days I pretty much only run friends/guidies that need a run. But when I use to run (as an offered service) I usually charge (for those longer hauls) whatever the going rate is/was but included a provision that I could “leave now” if my "charges" are willing to pay a higher fee if they didn’t want or couldn’t wait around for more paying customers.
Before Night Fall came out my best cash return on running (as a service) was the "Iron Mines to Grotto" run, solely on tips alone – it was a short 10-12 min run x 7 paying customers (between 500gp to 2K each). (This was before speedbooking, mission running, etc.)
However, if you plan to charge what may be considered to be an outrageous price for run, be prepared to be ridiculed.
Bristlebane
I think it's OK for runners to "over charge" (if there's such a thing, they set their prices) if they run few people. Say you normally run 4 people from Vlox-Gadd at 1k/each, I see no harm in charging 4k from a single player. Either he pay, he wait for a runner to get more people, or he use his 7 heroes and get there himself.
rokocoko
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
Something is only worth what someone will pay for it.
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Guillotine Princess
Sounds like simple economics at work here, with supply and demand. If you want the service then you need to pay the price.
Kojima
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Originally Posted by RedDog91
Something is only worth what someone will pay for it.
If you get someone to pay 4k for that run, then it was worth 4k to them. If you don't get anyone to pay 4k, obviously its not worth 4k. ^ may sound a bit rude to the person who wants the money, but its the truth behind all business. |
makosi
I occasionally see runners who offer full EotN runs for about 5-8k per person so 4k for Vlox -> Gadd's is a bit steep in comparison.
I wouldn't pay the 4k but I wouldn't flame either. I'd shop around.
I wouldn't pay the 4k but I wouldn't flame either. I'd shop around.
anonymous
There is definitely a standard price, but it is up to you if you want to accept it. Standard cost is 1k if there are plenty of runners, but if there is no one else you can always price gouge desperate people for 4k. I could try and charge 7.9k for ectos, but it doesn't work because a ton of people are willing to sell for 7k. The only reason you can overcharge on runs is because you can either wait an hour to find a runner or pay an extra 3k. I'd rather just spend the 3k, I pay extra for items and sell them for less than what they are worth just so I don't have to spend time spamming. They aren't paying because your run is worth 4k, they are paying to get the run right now.
Azazello
I don't even understand why someone would whine about a price on anything. Don't like it, don't pay it. No one is going to change their price because you had a little cry about it.
jon comgree
rofl thx guys all of u but essence are agreed upon. ;p
BenjZee
Then again when people wanna lower my price, i usually take much convincing, but then again a lot of my prices are usually around what other people are charging for the exact same service.
ian1421
I'd always pay an extra 2-3k if i realy needed the run, but what are the dervs trying to pull charging 20k for droks? I seen them doing this 3-4 times now, I do agree the runner has say on the price but there it obviously a limit.
If you are new to gw and find yourself at beacons, even 2k is hard to come past, nvm 20k..
If you are new to gw and find yourself at beacons, even 2k is hard to come past, nvm 20k..
SpyderArachnid
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If you are new to gw and find yourself at beacons, even 2k is hard to come past, nvm 20k..
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But I agree with everyone else. There is no set price for anything. We as a community decide what things are worth to us.
thedarkmarine
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Originally Posted by Essence Snow
There are sorta prices that are set for things...That run from Vlox to Gadds is typically 1k
Now since I am assuming you were the "only game in town" at that time...that was the reason that the price was 4k vs the standard. Tbh I dont agree with all of the above posters......I think that even if one is the only one offering the service at a given time they should not exploit that fact to gouge ppl. A small increase over the standard price is to be expected but going overboard......yeah..I think I would have called you out on it as well. Kinda a "golden rule" deal. If you needed a run somewhere or for something would you like it if the only option was someone that was charging 4x the normal price? While you might pay it...it doesn't change the fact that it is well above the "normal price". Whether or not the person choses to pay any given price or not has no bearing on overcharging. Overcharging is simply charging more than a regular price. |
learn2supply+demand
there is no such thing as "normal price"
Bristlebane
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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid
If you are new to GW, you shouldn't even be getting a run. Should be playing through the content.
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pinkeyflower
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FAIL
learn2supply+demand there is no such thing as "normal price" |
Basic premise for capitalism is that the market will regulate itself and set prices accordingly.
Shadow Sentinel
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Exactly, new people shouldn't get a run, ever. They miss out on the game.
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Run to LA for 1k is a stupid low price for what you get out of it.
Next Top Runner
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Originally Posted by jon comgree
hey peeps, i was just in gunnars and was accused of overcharging people bc I OFFERED to run a guy from vlox to gadds for 4k. Now to me, my price is my price, if u got a problem with it you can leave. Now in my eyes I was doing my own thing and the guy i offered it to said i had a bad sense of judgement.
question is: Is there a set price or does the runner(s) decide what they will charge? Can a customer report you for running at a higher than average price? Note: I just want your opinions on this, not a fullblown accusation of me being a scammer/ripperofferer. |
People generally base price on two criteria.
- Difficulty
- Overall distance
Now this applies to most runs. For the Droknar's Forge run for example, it has become increasingly easier over time to do reliably and to do faster, but the distance hasn't changed. This run used to go easily for 8k but now the price has settled down to 2k.
The difficulty of the Gadd's Encampment run has not changed ever nor has the distance. It is not very difficult and the distance is not very long, so it merits a low price...around 1k is fair.
Now as an individual, you have the 100% right to charge what you wish. But if it goes out of the reasonable bounds of the two criteria above, you will be harshly criticized by others.
Because of this (and other reasons), I suggest you do your runs for tips. If you do not want to run for tips, ask around to see what people would willingly pay for a certain run. Make your own price based on those answers.
I will give you an example. There recently has been another runner in Sunspear Sanctuary (other than me) advertising that he is running from Sunspear Sanctuary to the Kodash Bazaar for 25k. This price is ridiculous and he gets mocked and laughed at by most people in the Sanctuary. I came along and started a group for tips and I got a full 8/8 group. He questioned my motives (why I run for tips) and told him it was because I get more customers that way and sometimes (if you impress the customers with skill), it sometimes brings out the generosity in people.
In my opinion, 4k is overpriced for a simple and short run from Vlox's Falls to Gadd's Encampment. You should take my advice and try to find fair prices that the majority of people will pay.
Hope this helps.
Quaker
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hey peeps, i was just in gunnars and was accused of overcharging people bc I OFFERED to run a guy from vlox to gadds for 4k.
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In this case, it would be if you told the players that you would run them for 4k and then you asked for 5k at the end. Saying you want 5k at the start, and receiving 5k for it, is not "overcharging". Also, asking for 5k when they think it should only be 4k, is NOT overcharging.
Other than that, you can ask for whatever you want, as long as you are up-front about it. If they think it's too much, they can "just say no" (thank you).
Tom Swift
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In my opinion, 4k is overpriced for a simple and short run from Vlox's Falls to Gadd's Encampment. You should take my advice and try to find fair prices that the majority of people will pay.
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NewSin
There are always guidelines to these sort of things but they are just that guidelines... If I dont feel like waiting all day to get something Ill toss in a couple more k just to get it and move on. I have better things to do and its not like its hard to come up with a plat or 2 to make up the difference.
Would I pay 4k for an easy run... prolly not. Would I flame you for charging that much? Nope, at most you may end up with me haggling over price.. you want 4k, I may say 2.5k, you say 3.5k and I may say 3k.
Eitherway I wouldn't listen to anyone saying that its wrong... supply and demand... thats how economy works especially in a game with a market.
Would I pay 4k for an easy run... prolly not. Would I flame you for charging that much? Nope, at most you may end up with me haggling over price.. you want 4k, I may say 2.5k, you say 3.5k and I may say 3k.
Eitherway I wouldn't listen to anyone saying that its wrong... supply and demand... thats how economy works especially in a game with a market.
thedarkmarine
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Consensus=normal price=equilibrium price=price set by the interaction of supply and demand where everyone who wants the commodity can get it at that price and everyone who wants to sell the commodity can sell it at that price.
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but there's no "normal price" like what essence is suggesting
Hobbs
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I'd always pay an extra 2-3k if i realy needed the run, but what are the dervs trying to pull charging 20k for droks? I seen them doing this 3-4 times now, I do agree the runner has say on the price but there it obviously a limit.
If you are new to gw and find yourself at beacons, even 2k is hard to come past, nvm 20k.. |
Essence Snow
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you obviously dont live in the real world if you think capitalism is bad.
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This is really neither her nor there considering we are talking about GW (a fantasy world) and not the real world.
Maybe it's just my sense of morality kicking in....but I don't really care for taking advantage of others.
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not quite. price in a free market is the intersection...blah blah blah. not everyone who wants it may be able to buy, and not all units may be sold.
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How much is an ecto? normal price=1-2k variance of what the rare mat trader sells/pays
...a Z key? normal price depending on the market 5-7k
...a Droks run? tips-5k
..a party point? 75g-150g
WTS 1 ecto 20k...even if someone buys it ...is overcharging...(yikes buyers remorse)
Wts zkeys 20k/ea...if its the last key someone needs for title..it could happen..does it mean they weren't over charged or did not over pay..? no
Charging 20k for a droks run " " " "
etc...etc....
Over the course of time yes "normal" prices become evident. When something is first released..there is a time of uncertainty and chaos where the is no "normal price" but over time prices will settle to a level of normality.
Haggis of Doom
Extrapolating makes logic much easier.
OP suggests that "runner sets price, hence runner's price is never wrong, take it or leave it". That may sound reasonable, but apply real numbers, and you'll see the flaws of the argument.
We can disagree on whether 4k is unreasonable for a Gadd's run from Vlox. Fine. What if the runner asked 10k? 40k? 40e? Suddenly not so hard to judge whether it's too high, is it? It's still well within the "runner sets price, hence there is no normal price" argument. Conclusion: the argument is invalid. There is such a thing as a reasonable ("normal") price. If you're unwilling to charge a reasonable price, you are overpricing.
OP suggests that "runner sets price, hence runner's price is never wrong, take it or leave it". That may sound reasonable, but apply real numbers, and you'll see the flaws of the argument.
We can disagree on whether 4k is unreasonable for a Gadd's run from Vlox. Fine. What if the runner asked 10k? 40k? 40e? Suddenly not so hard to judge whether it's too high, is it? It's still well within the "runner sets price, hence there is no normal price" argument. Conclusion: the argument is invalid. There is such a thing as a reasonable ("normal") price. If you're unwilling to charge a reasonable price, you are overpricing.
IronSheik
If someone spams they want a Grotto/Droks/Slavers/Wtfe ever run and no one is offering, I will definitely overcharge them.
It is simple economics, opportunity costs, etc.
I was paid 35k for a emergency grotto run before.
15k for someone that couldn't get a runner for NM ATFH.
10k for that end desolation NF mission.
There is no set price for anything.
If I want to convince someone their R8 sword is junk and buy it for 5k, that's just more money for me.
It is simple economics, opportunity costs, etc.
I was paid 35k for a emergency grotto run before.
15k for someone that couldn't get a runner for NM ATFH.
10k for that end desolation NF mission.
There is no set price for anything.
If I want to convince someone their R8 sword is junk and buy it for 5k, that's just more money for me.
thedarkmarine
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For certain things in GW.....I'd have to diagree with you... How much is an ecto? normal price=1-2k variance of what the rare mat trader sells/pays ...a Z key? normal price depending on the market 5-7k ...a Droks run? tips-5k ..a party point? 75g-150g WTS 1 ecto 20k...even if someone buys it ...is overcharging...(yikes buyers remorse) Wts zkeys 20k/ea...if its the last key someone needs for title..it could happen..does it mean they weren't over charged or did not over pay..? no Charging 20k for a droks run " " " " etc...etc.... Over the course of time yes "normal" prices become evident. When something is first released..there is a time of uncertainty and chaos where the is no "normal price" but over time prices will settle to a level of normality. |