First off all sorry if this argument is old or it has been discussed,but i really dont understand how it is possible:
1x Gemset is usually sold for 11-14k [MAX], so we can say that
15x gemsets are around 165k - 210k [MAX].
1xArmbrace is around 20-23e,that in money means:
If e=6k 120k - 138k
if e=6.5k 130k - 149.5k
if e=7k 140 - 161k
if e=7.5k [max price you can see in those days] 150k - 172.5k
Now,if you take the min price of gemsets 11k/each, and you take max price of ectos then it is all normal, but if you try to put price of gemset to 12k/each you can see that cost of Armbrace is LESS than 15 gemsets...
How it is possible that if : 15 Gemets = 1 Armbrace
I really tried to find a reason,still dont find one lol..
Armbrace/Gems Price
Mcsnake85
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I guess its because ppl are willing to pay more than they should for a gemset cus they just need that set to craft a brace themselves - or due to coffers (mallyx n fun! :O:O)
Maya Cerestiez
I've also been thinking about this.
Many guys are selling gemsets at 2e/each which makes an armbrace cost you 30e if you get it that way.
If I had 14 gems of each kind I would pay more than 11k for the last gemset though, doesn't feel as costy thinking you're getting your armbrace and only has to pay 12-13k for it.
And also, power trading
Many guys are selling gemsets at 2e/each which makes an armbrace cost you 30e if you get it that way.
If I had 14 gems of each kind I would pay more than 11k for the last gemset though, doesn't feel as costy thinking you're getting your armbrace and only has to pay 12-13k for it.
And also, power trading
Seep
Think like this. ,15 gems will get you an armbrace but you will have to do the side quest to change that. Face it people are lazy to do the quest so its much easier to just buy the armbrace directly
LordDragon
I am going to say it is the coffers that cause this. If there was no other use for gemsets you would see the prices equal out.
Surgo
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Many guys are selling gemsets at 2e/each which makes an armbrace cost you 30e if you get it that way.
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asb
Unlike buying coffers or armbraces directly, acquiring gemstones grants you the choice of turning them into either. Is it worth the price? IMO no.
MrKGado
The economics in this are quite interesting. I am going to assume the choice is the determining factor in the price difference. You can go a step further and look at torment weapons. They are usually cheaper than armbraces even though 15 gem sets = 1 armbrace = 1 torment weapon. With each transformation to the more specific item (gem sets to armbrace to torment weapon) you are losing flexibility. Like mentioned before, gem sets can be used for coffers or armbraces; armbraces can be used for torment weapons or currency; but torment weapons are normally the end product and only used to sell for use, not as a currency.
That's my take on it anyways.
That's my take on it anyways.
impulsion
It's less so now, but when HoM first came out diamonds, rubies, sapphires were very high in price. The new survivor thing makes lightbringer scrolls high in price also. These things meant that (on average) you would make MORE money by crafting coffers than armbraces. This is also why you see people trading their armbraces for 15 gemsets.
Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by impulsion
It's less so now, but when HoM first came out diamonds, rubies, sapphires were very high in price. The new survivor thing makes lightbringer scrolls high in price also. These things meant that (on average) you would make MORE money by crafting coffers than armbraces. This is also why you see people trading their armbraces for 15 gemsets.
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Also, I always sell my gems for 12k/set because it actually sells faster and yields more
Mcsnake85
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Originally Posted by MrKGado
The economics in this are quite interesting. I am going to assume the choice is the determining factor in the price difference. You can go a step further and look at torment weapons. They are usually cheaper than armbraces even though 15 gem sets = 1 armbrace = 1 torment weapon. With each transformation to the more specific item (gem sets to armbrace to torment weapon) you are losing flexibility. Like mentioned before, gem sets can be used for coffers or armbraces; armbraces can be used for torment weapons or currency; but torment weapons are normally the end product and only used to sell for use, not as a currency.
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Arduin
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Originally Posted by Seep
Think like this. ,15 gems will get you an armbrace but you will have to do the side quest to change that. Face it people are lazy to do the quest so its much easier to just buy the armbrace directly
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AngelWJedi
forgot to factor in the time it takes to get all those gems.xD it does take time so maybe the extra amount is to covert the time it takes to get all those gems. plus i know when i was buying gems i say wtb gem a for 5k then someone comes along and goes 6k. >> that adds up too
Sk8tborderx
Gemsets cost the most because they can be made into either coffers or armbraces, so they have more demand. Every time you craft something (Gems->armbrace->weapon), demand drops, because your target market gets smaller. Smaller target market = less demand = lower cost to sell in a reasonable amount of time.
Ghost Dog
Deregulated market run by amateurs.
Venganza
Coffers, pure an simple
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jimbo32
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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx
Gemsets cost the most because they can be made into either coffers or armbraces, so they have more demand. Every time you craft something (Gems->armbrace->weapon), demand drops, because your target market gets smaller. Smaller target market = less demand = lower cost to sell in a reasonable amount of time.
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Imo, the reason that the prices are sort of off is because there's tons of armbraces in-game. High-end traders use them for stuff like asian minis, oldschool req7 and req8 weapons, unconditionals, etc. They're a type of hoarded wealth just like ectos, whereas gemsets and tormented weapons are not. When someone who has a few stacks of arms in their Xunlai needs some quick ectos for whatever reason, I don't think they head to the UW to farm.
cthulhu reborn
There is an even simpler reason: not everybody is good at saving money. Buying sets separately means that you never have 100k to spend on something else that comes by. Don't argue that it's a bad idea, it's the way it is. Not everybody has the same amount of patience and money or ecto's burn in their pockets. The gems can only be used for coffers or armbraces. Much easier to control the impulse that way.
Don't forget that not everybody is good at trading and such. Even when you know saving money is better and cheaper in the long run, doesn't mean you will save. Look at real life.
Don't forget that not everybody is good at trading and such. Even when you know saving money is better and cheaper in the long run, doesn't mean you will save. Look at real life.
Vogon
My guess for the gem set price at about 14k may stem from individual gem prices being 5k + 4k + 3k + 2k =14k from what I am seeing in trade chat.
Mcsnake85
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My guess for the gem set price at about 14k may stem from individual gem prices being 5k + 4k + 3k + 2k =14k from what I am seeing in trade chat.
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So,i suppose that gemsets worth more because:
* you have more choice of what to do with them
* you can test your luck with Coffers
Painbringer
HOM needs one weapon from the DOA to be considered a full collection. So price is little concern to finish the collection and get them points
Its like pokemon Gotta get 'm all
Its like pokemon Gotta get 'm all
Haggis of Doom
Bulk discount: if you buy more, you pay less per unit. Nothing new here 
Mcsnake85
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Originally Posted by Haggis of Doom
Bulk discount: if you buy more, you pay less per unit. Nothing new here
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IMO they must be have same value, but as someone said, with gemsets you have more choice on what to do. With armbrace you are limited to buy a tormy weapon.
Riot Narita
Maybe because people can afford to accumulate gemsets slowly, over time, using cash. And prefer to do that than convert their cash to Ectos, then ultimately trade their Ectos for an Armbrace?
Also, wasn't there an Armbrace-duping exploit a long time ago? If so, the comparitively lower price of buying Armbraces (vs gems) may be a hang-over from that.
Also, wasn't there an Armbrace-duping exploit a long time ago? If so, the comparitively lower price of buying Armbraces (vs gems) may be a hang-over from that.
Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by Riot Narita
Also, wasn't there an Armbrace-duping exploit a long time ago? If so, the comparitively lower price of buying Armbraces (vs gems) may be a hang-over from that.
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Rushin Roulette
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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine
The dupe exploit has nothing to do with armbrace prices now.. At the time the duping took place armbraces were ~48-54e I seem to recall.. But ecto was like 4k at the time as well, so, it's about the same now.. Gemsets sold for 13k/ea back then I remember quite well.
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It is true that at the time of Duping each Armbrace was around 50e, but the Ectos back then were at around 6-8K per Ecto (they had recently dropped from 15K per Ecto). Much later at the highpoint of Shadowform farming, the Ectos dropped to 3-4K and after the 3rd or so SF nerf and the introduction of the HoM calculator they shot up to the point at where they are now.
Bright Star Shine
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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette
Actually the duping incident was way before the ecto price drop to 4k/ Ecto.
It is true that at the time of Duping each Armbrace was around 50e, but the Ectos back then were at around 6-8K per Ecto (they had recently dropped from 15K per Ecto). Much later at the highpoint of Shadowform farming, the Ectos dropped to 3-4K and after the 3rd or so SF nerf and the introduction of the HoM calculator they shot up to the point at where they are now. |
AngelWJedi
i think its because people need a certian gem badly when they see what others are offering for one they go higher. which for some people make them offer more. its a crazy cycle.