Hero tier lists

Fair point, I actually forgot we lost A-scan and BuH . Don't get me wrong - I am perfectly aware of how powerful melee was before, to the point where I was claiming that Me/D was the best mesmer build. But I've tried Dervish post-update for 10 minutes, and it just felt weaker and "meh". Damage was decent and more balanced but it seemed weaker than damage of my Me/D pre-update. Haven't tried other physicals.

I merely wanted to point out that AScan and BUH were both great buffs and that melee damage today needs to be "adjusted" accordingly in the minds of the players. I mentioned 8 heroes because I feel this benefits casters more since killing happens faster, and if killing happens faster melee player spends more time walking and less attacking. With faster killing speed 1-target hexes such as MoP become weaker (and Barbs near useless), unless of course you can take down entire balled mob. This is why among casters mesmers seem to be even better - if targets are dying faster, it matters more how fast you cast spells. By the time you cast 2-sec Chain Lightning, the target may be dead.

This is partly theorycrafting, but it needs to be said that difference between physical and caster damage is now smaller than some make it to be. What would be the results if someone was going as physical and trying to finish all 3 campaigns plus EotN, vs caster who would try the same - I don't know.


But this is all off-topic, as the thread is about what heroes are useful for *us*, not what heroes are best with, say, Assassin. I can't vote for any physical heroes because I have no physical hero build that would add anything to the team. That's that. If you got assassin and he's killing fast, and you seem to do better with physical heroes than casters - great. But it's not working for me.

If your argument revolve around Invoke+Weaken+EBSoH combined has a higher DPS than ES alone, then you are obviously biased in your comparison. Apparently this still is getting lost. My argument revolves around the fact that Invoke > ES. My numbers how how Air magic can be built around for significant damage and spikes.

Anyways, take it up with PM or something. After finals I'll put up a more detailed analysis, because I don't have the time to continually respond.

"Certainly"? I'm not 100% certain at all, but I lack experience with physicals. There's no AScan anymore, no BUH. And we have 8 heroes now, not 3. In general HM area E-Surge team can bring enemy mob down to half health in no time. BUH and AScan were never important - MoP is and has always been the key. It takes almost 5 heroes running ESurge to put out the same damage as just the MoP/100b/WWA combo. Its not as popular because 1) it requires the player to be the one that runs 100B+WW and it requires you've practiced enough to corner block quickly otherwise you spend more time rounding up red dots than killing them. In corner friendly areas, this method is fast enough to have the next group gathered before the previous MoP has recharged, in areas without corners/rocks you're better off running something else.