Put Festival Hats in Store

Another thread that make me smile.

Most people who have them, don't want others to be able to get them for selfish reasons. They feel elite and old school while running around in pumpkin heads.

I have a bunch of them, but some I didn't take to the hat dude and I missed an event or 2 over the years. So some accounts have different hats.

I don't mind if they reissued the hats for in game stuff. Why charge for something that's already programmed?

BUT I'd prefer they didn't issue them simply because they said they wouldn't.

So if they were to reissue and charge money for it, they'd come out looking like lying a-holes.

Remember this is a game. Outside of people in the game, no one cares if you have that wicked hat or ice wreath or w/e. And even in game it currently just means you were there for an event like thousands of others.

Because, ultimately, making money is a part of the business, and there are those that are certainly willing to pay for things that they think are worthwhile to have.

Not really - it's happened many, many times over the course of GW's life. The two biggest that come to my mind are the BMP and UAS. In both instances, Anet said they would never, ever sell the BMP separately, or allow all skills to be unlocked in PvP through means other than playing PvE. In both cases, they eventually realized it was better for the players and better for the game to do both. I certainly don't consider them to be LA-H for that. I am actually proud that they owned up to their mistakes and corrected them.

Actually most people in the game don't care about it either. I certainly never cared who got what hat, mini-pet, drop, or what have you. I certainly didn't care if people pwned elite areas using pre-nerf UB. Didn't change my gameplay or enjoyment of items one iota.

Hanok

You work for them huh? You are the company spokesman that justifies them lying and doing whatever to FURTHER make money off of already paid for services?

Just because they screwed us over a couple of times we should come accept this or like you expect it? They came across as lying assholes then and will again if they do it again. Just makes other companies like Blizzard look good. DIBABLO III is coming and it looks pretty amazing...
(Now I'm the Blizzard spokesman.)

The last part is actually reiterating what I said.. So saying ACTUALLY like it's different is just actually not at all different. Actually, nice try though... You actually came across as smug and condescending, but your points are not those of the end gamer.

FREE HATS OR NONE is their safest play. Rewarding people for supporting their products through end of life is smart. Nickel and dimen' them is a bad precedent. AS A GAMER, if I ever feel I have to buy armor/weapons/etc, to keep up, I will stop supporting that game. IF this is the direction GW2 is heading, I will buy d3 and won't be purchasing gw2. (Either way I will be buying d3 the only question is will I buy a dozen copies for friends and family to get into or wait for gw2 and further support them).

Now Hanok (apparent arenanet spokesperson), please go back developing gw2 or figuring out some basic balances to gw1 so that I can enjoy my ranger a bit in non solo farming evironments.

Umm have u played any other MMo's or even guild wars? you have to work for everything...

try getting max hero title?

Almost everything in the game you have to "work" to get there. getting good at sc's is hard work. getting all your HoM done is work. So im a little confused what you mean by this statement. A Hat all you had to do was show up?

I mean honestly here i can make a list a mile long at what is hard to work for to get in guild wars.

Still talking as if you had another game in mind.
Nothing of that has anything to do with Guild Wars hats.

This is Guild Wars. Guild Wars. Not some grinding game in which some gear is ludicruously hard to get grinding game.
It's not about getting things other won't get or that are hard for others, but about getting the stuff yourself for yourself, because you like it.
Others getting things too DOES NOT make worse what you get.

Hats are not a drop. Hats are given for free to everyone that manages to be there during a holiday.
It has nothing to do with gameplay, rarity, skill or anything like that. It doesn't matter how good or bad of a player you are. All that matters is being able to be there in that precise moment, unlike most other things in the game. And there are many things you have no control over that may prevent you from getting the hat.

With most other things, you can try them when you can, on your schedule. If you missed them, you'll eventually have another go at them. Even if you miss something like a Zaishen quest, it will come back eventually.
You can retry most things you fail in the game.
Even festival quests you can retry the next year if you missed them.
People that missed the the Wintersday Moa and Bear can unlock them the next year.
Even the hard to get Polar Bear miniature will come back.
And if the game manages to stay alive for over 12 years, the Zodiacal miniatures will probably come back too.

Festival hats are not like that. They are not consistent with how the rest of Guild Wars is.

what GW is all about: having fun mostly and an extra "getting stuff for GW2"
it also was to "play together" but thats optional now

but then again, people said it'd be bad if we could get LDoA other ways and having that title + survivor
remember?

EDIT: 1 more thing i wanna say is:

the hats are special, even if they come back at the events, as we still cant trade them to let others make an own copy

these hats are special, but its a bad habit when being greedy over something everyone deserves
i mean, we should still welcome new(er) players to the game by showing and giving them special stuff like hats at those events
so they feel good, and dont feel noobs cuz they arent as veteran-ish as others are

i did miss the first halloween, as i wasnt in LA yet, but i was in GW, so after halloween i took a runner with half the money i got, just NOT to miss wintersday
then i missed the first dragon mask, but i mentioned that before

and now that we get npc's with those hats after the event, we shouldnt mind newer people getting older hats
being special doesnt always mean being very rare, as it's the memories you have which makes an event special, thats why wintersday is special for me, cuz it was the very first event i ever seen in GW

i see it like infused armors and ascended, which was a very big achievement back then, but as times change, its still kinda special, but if it still would be "hard" to get, people would hate it

see it so that people who arent "veterans" can get hats and feel good about it, while we "veterans" get newer minipets and now even everlasting tonics, just cuz our chars are old enough, that wont be special about a year or 2 for us, but by then we most likely have something else whats special BECAUSE we are veterans

sure, they are tradeable, but we get it because we are veterans, and if someone buys them, it wont ever be as special as getting it themselves

example: i got a dedicated brown rabbit, cuz i wanted it very badly, i like it alot, but it would've been a MUCH better feeling if i got it myself, not cuz its not dedicated yet, but cuz i got it without trades... the REAL way

So would you prefer there was only 1 hat design from the beginning? That way its "consistent"...

The point attempting to be made here is that Each event presented a unique hat design to represent that particular years event. What next? "its unfair i have to wait for a birthday gift each year, and i never get the ones i want so i want to get one gift that gives me all minipets available that year, or let me buy a full minipet unlock pack from the IGS"? There has to be a line drawn between reasonable requests and unreasonable demands.
I think that the pro "gimme everything " side should see the other side of things a bit more then to say "there is no reason not to so it should be done"
Lets review some of the pro hat arguments being made...
~ People want cash shop options due to time constraints (if logging into the game one time over the course of an event is inconvenient you might be playing the wrong game).
~ The redux events were for issues out of everyone's control( read Anet made a mistake) and I think several people seem to confuse this with an intentional design.
~ The rest of the game lets me have a CHANCE at everything, a very poor excuse because you were given the opportunity to get the hat.
At this point I could care less, if people want to make excuses for their not having actually been at the events said hats were given out, so be it. If they would rather spend money then 1 hour on a game they claim to play(but seem to want to skip playing and receive the rewards for doing so) let them, a fool and his money are easily parted... I would request one thing of Anet for the sake of both sides of this coin. That they would make a difference between the hats. A glow on the originals, a texture difference, something to make having been there a worthwhile event. (prepared for the barrage of "But I want THOSE TOOOOO!!!")

Bullshit, that is exactly the case, just read some of the not signed posts, and I mean actually read them, employing your full attention, and you'll see I'm right. In fact, you may want to examine your own motives more closely.

Respect for the so-called "veterans".... seriously? AKA....e-peen.

They've not veterans of some epic war, they've just happened to play longer than some other people. And how, exactly, is it disrespectful to sell the same thing they got for free, for actual money, to other people?

Get a grip, it's a freaking hat that no one but the person wearing it cares about.
Oh, and to clarify, I've been playing GW since launch and I've been at pretty much every event (not the Tengu one, though).

No, but seriously now, why shouldn't they? You pays your dollars and you gets your shiny shiny. And that is all it is, a non-tradeable shiny shiny. Now if it was a tradeable frog scepter or something, then yeah, I'd have a problem with it being sold in the store, though not if it was customized.

How about, don't be such an arrogant prick just because you were at the event? I've been at most of the events, I've got most of the hats, I just can't see the harm in selling the stupid hats in the store for real money. Seriously, what's the big deal?

Ha! That's good. Thanks for giving me a good laugh to start my day out. I'll give 1/10 just for that - and for once again making me long for those classic Usenet days when real men could write real flames.

Notice I said make me feel like I have to work. I have dabbled in other MMOs, but only after starting off in GW. One of the reasons I bought GW was that it was distinctly designed to eliminate much of the need for grind. They certainly have added many things that now call for grind, but grind in and of itself is only part of an overall "work" experience. Fortunately, GW still minimizes much of that aspect, so even when I do feel like I am grinding, it still does not feel like work. And none of it is required to play or finish any of the campaigns.

And you're right, all's one has to do for a hat is stand there, so drok3n's point about working for something is negated then in regards to the hats.

No - because you can trade the mini-pets and tonics, so acquiring the ones you want or need are not an issue as the mechanics allow for it. In terms of adding them to the store - yes, I think adding that under the Token system would be acceptable.

That's part of Anet's job. So far, I personally have few grips with their decisions. I have even come to terms with their change to LDoA and Survivor and see them as positive changes to the community.

And vice versa

Point 1 - maybe some do, though in this thread, I see very little of that. I have no need for past hats, except on my alt accounts which is trivial to me. As I said, if they do offer the option, then I would purchase for one or both of my alts to show my support, and to continue funding GW1, but by no means do I feel I need them for my alt accounts. For the most part, I see people on this thread wanting a way to re-acquire the hats they missed or lost due to reasons above and beyond simple time constraints.

Point 2 - That is not universally true. One of the Canthan festivals had an NPC after the event right from the beginning. There were no other extenuating circumstances to cause it. This year's Halloween event NPC was a direct cause of an event not of Anet's doing. I believe at least one or two other festivals also were the same way. This year's Winterfest will apparently also have an NPC after the event, as last year's did. That's pretty much the intentional design of the events now.

Point 3 - Then they need to revert LDoA and Survivor as every player also had the chance to get them as they were originally designed as well. Clearly Anet doesn't think it's a poor excuse as several things in the game have changed over the years to make acquiring them less of an issue. Again, perhaps you should follow your own statement of seeing the other side of the coin as well.

You, of course are entitled to your opinion, but please try to avoid lumping all people who request this into the same category. Clearly there are many people with many different reasons for desiring this change, and not all of them fit into your baseless "laziness" category. And there's nothing really foolish about it - go back to one of my previous posts about the f2p/micro-trans business model - perhaps you think it is foolish to spend money on virtual vanity items - however it is clear that a vast many people do not, much to the benefit of the industry as a whole.

Finally, I don't know about you, but actually being able to attend the event and enjoy the social aspect and atmosphere makes the events worthwhile enough. I certainly don't need to have a perk kept exclusive for that to remain so. There's no need to differentiate any of the hats should they be made available to the playerbase as a whole, no more so than it is to differentiate those who got the Survivor or LDoA titles the "old-fashioned" way or those who got a specific pet evolution from the Z-Menagerie as opposed to doing it through gameplay.

Hanok

I too think these hats are like bonus weapons, they show that you were around when the game/event was happening and that's their original design. (btw I missed many events/hats but I can't care less, though they are cool).

Now you want them because you think they are cool ? Ok so like already said why not making an almost identic dyable replica and sell it at IGS ?

Original design of hats is not flawed and people who wants hats are satisfied.

Well then, we need to revert Survivor and LDoA (and remove those titles from those who did not get them the original way) and create new titles for those who want to try to get something similar to them. After all the original design of those titles were to reward a particular playstyle, which the revamps no longer do.

If you want to talk original design, then perhaps we need to remove HM and all elite areas except for Sorrow's Furnace since the original design of Guild Wars was for PvE to help you learn the basic mechanics of the game in a forgiving environment and unlock items for the real end-game content: PvP. Much of the original design of the game and things in the game have changed, it's time for this part of it as well.

Hanok

This ^

/not signed

Uhmm - /age + Prnt Scrn

Also, that being the case, explain to me how Factions only accounts have Wintersday hats?

Hanok

Hanok,
Your only trying to fuel this dispute to furthermore this hidden agenda you seem to have to make guild wars bad. This, everyone needs a fair shot mentality is already annoying enough in real life. Lets not bring it to the games also. If little Timmy sucked at the race and came in fourth why the hell does he get a trophy too. I see this going on way to much and almost everyone giving in to this mentality. If you weren't' there to get it, You don't get it. Whatever happen to the term "be there or be square" or "you snooze you lose". I guess your generation was the one who must have had everything handed to them on a plate with a spoon and two forks. Every time someone misses out on something we don't need to introduce a new release specially for them. remember you cant miss what you never had.

I have been playing since release and have missed a few hats because of real life priorities. I would love to be able to do something in game to get some of the hats I missed. I'll trade ya a few stacks of these presents for last year's halo!

Yeah you better snip and not go points with me. You may feel like the big man behind your acer laptop, but you bring your weak, illogical, nonsense to me and get served up like the hanok you are. Usenet? Lmfao. Where do we get these people again? And stop trying to argue with everyone else. You already got served and now you're just digging.

You argue with people with different views, the same views, and peoples' opinions like you are some kind of intellectual giant who must open everyone eye's to your genius. All of my original statements were reasonable and you TRIED to go point for point and FAILED. How does it feel? Are your rents embarrassed?

You honestly believe they can and should sell hats for more profit? Are you an areanet employee? Are you getting paid for that? If not you are not a smart man. Guess who I work for? Me. I don't want to pay more for bs I may want but don't need. So I put on record that I'd rather move over to DIABLO III than pay for cool shit. Because if they think they can get away with it, they will start giving us shit looking armors and weapons and charge for good looking stuff. But you know this already, right?

Best way to deal with a troll is to check it and shine a little light. Then he will crawl back to his den and suck on his.... thumb.

Showtime

Are you seriously suggesting that paying for cosmetic things, like hats, is the same as paying for weapons and armors with better stats to, as you say, keep up?

The store should never sell anything like that (weapons/armor) which can't also be obtained through gameplay.

I'm fine with cosmetics, like costumes or hats, just as long as there are plenty of decent armors to choose from. As you said yourself, you may want it, but you don't need it. As long as there are plenty of decent looking alternatives, it's fine, and Arenanet certainly haven't done anything to indicate they intend to monetize all the cool looking shit. If that was the intent, they'd have had all the armors and weapons in the store ages ago.

I think most people are fine with that, and I'd guess that the money they'd make from the store would more than make up for the tiny percentage of people like you who would be put off by it.

When it comes down to it, if the choice is between a store that sells shiny shit or a monthly fee, I choose the store that sells shiny shit, every single time.

Also, Diablo 3 features a RMT auction house. Yeah, you can buy shiny things from other players for real money. Kinda like a store, huh?

i think its the attitude some have "you werent there, so you dont deserve it" makes alot of MMO communities real bad

everyone who pays for the game, should be able to get what others get, thats fair

it's NOT a competition between the whole community, like those who were there, are the only ones who deserve the hats, those who werent there, dont deserve those hats
this is called elitism, or at least a form of it, because that way people should be veterans, should have been at the events and so newbies are less important

this bad attitude really is bad for MMO's, and also for the community itself
lets say that if everyone would be able to get the hats again, they will be happy, and i cant even imagine people who will get angry only because those people have something they have, as it doesnt give any kind of buff or anything, as its just for show, and i dont see many people with it when there's no event
the hats are just for decoration, the only feeling you can have if you have it, is that if you see your own old hats, you think back about the event times you had

but not only if you see your own hats, some may actually wear older ones like the first yule cap, and you get the memories you have from those "good old" times, even if the person plays for only 2 months or less

it cant hurt your memories if someone newer has the older hats, as you may feel like you did back then, when you were there

so gimme 1 bad enough (i said bad enough) reason to not let others have the same fun as you have with them now, because the newer people dont even have the memories of the old days, and you DO have them
so i'd say: give everyone the same fun with the hats themselves, as those people cant even feel how we did with those older hats

should they do this, my memories and feelings toward those times wont disappear, and the newer people cant have the good feelings we have with them, right?

i mean, if its about feelings, you should feel better than those who didnt have the chance getting those good feelings and memories from back then, as they "only" have the hats from those times, and you have more than just that

Let's see arguments in favor...
- People that were there during a finale may not have the hat for that festival.
- People that were not there not during the finale may have them thanks to things like collectors or lending the account to a friend to get it.
- There are many reasons that may lead to individual players losing their chance, like accidents of all kinds, hackings, real life schedules and priorities... it is not fair for them to lose both the party and the hat especially for those that really wanted to be there. Giving the account to a friend so they get it for you IS NOT an option, because it's against the rules.
- Hats give no bonuses or in-game gameplay benefits of any kind, they are just vanity items like costumes.
- Variety is always good. The more choices people have, the less chances for anyone to look like the rest.
- People that got them for free would lose nothing if others had to pay to get them, like with the Bonus Mission Pack, the Game of the Year upgrade or the 2008 imp. Nebies having older hats or rare skins or rare miniatures miniatures harms no one, as long as they are rather hard to get get (like the polar bear) or can't be traded (like /bonus items).
- Some extra cash for ANet to pay for stuff is always good.

So... the argument's against it?
- "You were not there" Is already discarded...

Is there any more arguments against it other than that one? I've read most post, but all of them come down to "You were not there".

I think you missed the corollary "exclusivity" argument, "I was there afk, this makes me special and I deserve them while you don't since you were not there".

Every game and i mean EVERY GAME has items exclusive to early adopters, those that show support and yes, they are exclusive. I beg you to find an MMO that doesn't have holiday exclusive items that are NOT available after said event. Its a part of showing support for your community and for the support they give you as a game dev. What has consistently happened in this thread is a few of the vocal minority wants to change that pretty hard fact (yes games do this ALL the time), for what appears to be any number of (no offence) whiny reasons. Yes Santa there is a 99% and it turns out they are actually the 1%, the 1% of people who are never satisfied but also completely incapable of doing the things that would make them happy to begin with. Well, my little slacker friends with your skinny jeans and ironic mustaches its time to bite hard reality. year in, year out, not everyone gets everything. show up this year and guess what? you won't be whining about this years hat next year, simple, effective and really your only solution. To the invariable "but there is no reason not to!!! So let me change everything about the game!!!!" guess what? Its only 4 days away, methinks you will be crying about not getting the proverbial "pony" under the tree. Maybe next year.

Hats are not GW's 'early adopter items'. They "free seasonal festive vanity gear".

Preorder items are the "early adopter items".

But even with "early adopter items", many games release them too as DLCs so all can enjoy them later on.
Those that preorder just get them cheaper or for free in those cases, so those that get them late, have to pay more for missing them.

If you ask me, with games over 5 years old, is better to re-release everything so all the new players can enjoy it all.

Actually, that "vocal minority" makes up about 50% of the thread in terms of signing or not signing. That's not to mention that guru is hardly the preserve of the casual players who would benefit most from the idea and probably buy it in droves.

I mainly like this idea because it's something that Arenanet could implement easily and it would, say, let them finish WoC instead of working on a new costume.

That said, it's just a hat. It'd be nice to have the option, but it's not like I'm bothered if they don't. I just don't get why anyone would be bothered if they do. Its cosmetic crap, who gives a shit?

Honestly I think a better idea would be to make it so the festival hats aren't customized. The result would be that those of us who were there and have the hats already would be able to give them out to people, or sell them.

Meaning those who were there and got them the 'hard' way wouldn't necessarily feel as 'ripped off' as if they just released them in the store so everyone could run around with our super rare santa hats.

All the new players whine about how they should be allowed to have them, and while I think there should be a way to get them, I don't think ANet should just throw the people who got the festival hats the hard way out in the snow as it were.

That said, people would probably try to get the Tengu mask too, which WAS a pre-order bonus for Factions, more or less, since only people who pre-ordered could get it.

my idea about this is:

being able to get older hats by being there at the certain event it was from, and maybe some new quests to actually "being rewarded" at those events

as for the tengu mask, it could be the same, maybe just a repeatable event, so that everyone can see what happened and get the mask

make it an "event in the past" with the HoM pool you could go look into the past, similar to heart of the north, except for the solo-ing part plz, as i think people should be able to play together, maybe make it human only, so no hench or heroes, a true multiplayer event
dont even have to scale it, as it should be normal difficulty alone, and easier with others, so teaming may live on (or be resurrected imo)

or just hero-able, so that its solo, yet you can take it easy, which sounds more personal imo

then those who pre-ordered factions get some other special reward, like /bonusitems or such
(maybe headgear which lvls as you do, and has some kinda bonus on it... just ideas )

note: i dont care much about that mask, but others may get it for their fun (whether its about having it or using it)
i also got the idea of dyeable mask for those who have the preordered factions, and non-dyeable for those who dont have it

may be some coding, but i doubt people are in a hurry with that, if they should make it like that

ps. this is just an idea for that special mask, the rest can be obtained at their original events

Hidden Agenda? Really? I thought I made my support and reasons of this request quite clear. In terms of all the other stuff, this isn't really the place to debate those topics - we aren't talking about real life after all - just a game, and unless you are from the generation that participated in the War to end all Wars, you would loose the generational debate.

Wow, is it getting warm in here? ...Oh wait, my heater just kicked in - sorry about that. Keep trying, perhaps one day you may be able to reach the coattails of the Flamers of the good ole days of the Interwebs.

Where are you getting your figures from? I would like to see some documented facts to show that only 1% of the current player base would like to see Festival Hats added in with the Costumes as purchasable content.

Regardless, Times (and games) change as they age. As someone else mentioned, not all things remain exclusive in all games. I certainly didn't see a rulebook or governing law that says any game must keep items exclusive. It is certainly within the developer's rights to do so, but they certainly don't have to be tied to that position if they see both the bottom line and the player-base can benefit by removing the exclusivity of an item. The benefit to those early adopters - they don't have to pay for the item.

How is it "hard" exactly to log in and have your account afk for a day, let alone get "ripped off" when there was no cost involved in obtaining the item to begin with? Using that reasoning, the players who achieved LS and LDoA the original way really got screwed over.

Hanok

As I really don't see this post going any further than it already has, I will put my final 2 cents in on the topic. If as a player of this game, you cannot for any reason show up to the finale, to the trader, or even find a way to AFK, you have no business demanding a hat. This is the equivalent of saying that you missed a double faction weekend due to work/school/medical emergency/natural disaster and since you missed it, the staff of Anet should make a specific instance for you.

These threads invariably show up every time a few poor planners, unfortunate individuals, lazy people, and whiny individuals miss out on anything. Much like any forum, people will plead their cases in the hopes that somehow, someway, they might get a pass on the things they missed. Wonder how many of these people call their local lottery and complain that they thought about playing the winning numbers but didn't get the chance? I think we all know the outcome of those type of pipe dreams.

As to the my "1%" comment, apparently people missed the reference to the Occupy "movement" (or lack of movement as the numerous unshowered tent communities in local parks have shown), but much like said disorganization a few loud, inactive people complain about their inability to do what the vast majority of people CAN do. For some perhaps there is a valid reason, a passionate feeling, or a significant need for such protest. However like many a movement in the past, the Hipster thing to do is try to be a part, and what may have started out as a sincere movement has turned into a hobby for a few people craving attention, lacking ambition(hey look free tent space!), or generally just looking to count(or raise their thread count as this particular case has shown).

In reading Sardilac over the course of the last 2 years, I've noticed a population of growing laziness. And yes, Mythran, Hanock, if you cannot log in for 48 hours, at any point, you are LAZY! You apparently have access to both a means of getting onto these forums, and posting in advance about event rewards (yes they are REWARDS.You don't get REWARDED for NOT showing up.) and since you can anticipate such possible misfortune, you could also come up with a back up plan that will allow Devs to work on things that actually do effect the game we all play. With every new update our "squeaky wheels" will beg for more.

To the few reading this that still find a way to miss out on this years hats, allow me to help you. The 1st is this weekend. There you go, everyone is happy, be at the event, get the hat, don't show up to the event, don't get the hat. If at any point after being informed of when the hats are coming, and given an interval of time that you can make arrangements to get said items, you still find that you have missed them, don't post yet another suggestion thread about the world needing to revolve around you. as those who get the hats will undoubtedly tell you, they made time for it, and they got rewarded. we all miss things from time to time, the world doesn't stop for just us, this may be an important life lesson for some of you, though I fear a few people who read this take no such lessons. Best of luck to you all, Happy Holidays.

How exactly does it hurt a player to not be able to get an exclusive hat?

I mean, do people who started WoW late complain about not having the anniversary achievements on their characters?

If anything, WoW has less of the same problems because they have an actual support staff that's willing to help out if your internet died to a snowstorm or you had to stay overnight in the hospital with your sick family member.

I don't really think its about every hat....there seems to be interest in only a few select hats...ie...ones that are actually decent. I'm sure if they made more "decent hats" ppl wouldn't be concerned so much bout past ones. The Santa hat is sort of an exception as it is a recognized symbolic hat of the holiday.

The 1%/99% thing is completely off topic and your lack of knowledge of what it is...is pretty funny. A semi-relatable (but just barely) example in terms of GW would be Kanaxi, Panda, and Vizu...not festival hats.

I guess you're right. So the next time someone tries to log into the game and gets one of the myriad "could not connect" or "disconnect" errors that regularly occurs and can often last the better part of a day, or if someone's ISP decides to have a major burp for a day, or a tree branch falls on a power line, then we need to get off of our lazy butts and climb that pole to fix it, or head down to the ISP's office to help them fix their issue, or head over to Anet and beef up the game servers so we can log in and afk with the rest of the hundreds of thousands of other players.

I feel very fortunate to have not experienced major problems like those and have been able to attend all the events with both of my main accounts - and my alt accounts as well (for the events that those accounts could attend at least). However, I do understand and have at other times experienced those problems above (thank God Irene and Lee came when no events where going on in the game), believe that a mechanism should be in place that allows people to obtain the hats they could not due to circumstances such as this, even if it would also benefit the true "Lazy" people you speak of. And even a week-long NPC isn't always enough as the freak snowstorm that hit the East Coast on Halloween weekend caused many people I know to be without power for nearly two weeks. Obviously, because Anet has implemented the post-event NPCs for years now, they have agreed with that reasoning. I simply would like to see it taken to the next step to help those players out before the current system was implemented, as I have spoken to many in the past who were not able to attend the earliest events for these same reasons.

Hanok

Oh, I'm well aware of what occupy was intended to be, I was referring to what it devolved into(the cool thing to do when you are a 20something hipster looking to be seen being edgy), but as it relates to this topic a minority slice of the overall game population (those who were unable to get the hats for whatever reason) wanting something that is no longer available

But fortunately we are talking about a game, and not real life. Though I think you are right in terms of the Occupy movement, the implementation from the outset was poor and could only lead to the nonsense that it is now. That being said, however, there is something to be said for needing a change in how the way things should be done - just because Occupy is now the haven for the 21st Century equivalent of Hippies and Flower Children (and a poor man's showing of those sects to boot) doesn't mean that the good core of ideals and those that are deserving of those changes should have to suffer without them because of it.

Like I mentioned above, just because the true lazy people would benefit does not mean that a system to allow the purchase of all past hats should not be implemented for those that have legitimate reasons for not having been able to obtain them at the time. But if we do want to talk real life, even Disney realized the benefits of re-opening the Vault on a regular basis to allow those that missed their favorite movie the first time around to get it the next time.

Hanok

we're talking about GW now, i have much more faith in anet than blizzard, so i dont even start about that

it wont "hurt" anyone, it will just help Anet making others happy/happier, and every lil bit of happiness will affect the income of Anet, not just for GW2, also for GW1 (just GW), as they can do more with more money

making people happy wont just let people stay, because the next step is people will pay more for stuff they can buy from the ingame store

i'm NOT complaining, let that be clear, i just like to see old hats for everyone, and as i said: i only wanted 1 other "hat" from back then, as i missed it due to using the 2nd account i barely use anymore, lol

which was the 1st dragon mask, i wouldnt mind if i couldnt get it anymore, as i still have the 2 best (IMO) hats ever, which are the cat ears and first yule cap

gimme 1 good reason how it would affect the community and/or the game in a bad way when anet would allow people to get all the older hats

should they sell them, anet gains a lil profit from it
should they give it for free, they make even more people happy, as not everyone is rich in GW, and so they may try to collect some money to buy stuff like char slots, storage tabs etc.

i mean, i'm kinda poor, but even i manage to collect money for such things, but only if i really can and want

also, remember that the hat maker wasnt there, so it's kinda unfair to the older players who couldnt keep em due to full bags, the newer players (at least those who joined GW after the hat npc update) would have that advantage over those who dont have it anymore
not to forget we had to replace em with normal headgear, so had no hat slot in our characters bags

the happier the people become in GW, the better Anet's income will be for GW AND GW2

same could be said about survivor + LDoA, like some mentioned before, some people left pre, as they didnt wanna die, and now may not have any char slots left for a pre char, and thats about a "title" which lately are way more important than hats in the community, and to GW2, as i dont see a spot in HoM to put in festival hats

then survivor itself, which was impossible to get if you died with a char which maybe was almost there, and so maybe half of those who had that quit both titles, as they didnt wanna start over making a new char

then those who left pre sear, cuz they didnt wanna die millions of times, or couldnt due to d/c's which may occur at anyone's internet, not to forget the electricity cost (i know how bad that can be)

yet these people got what they wanted, and i dont see people really raging about these things, maybe when they implented it, but now people continue and those who do like the changes became happier

example: i bought a costume cuz i got back into GW.... why? well, i wanna try LDoA now, as deathlvl isnt my thing, the d/c's are pretty bad at night here where i live and the energy cost is too much for us (in reallife yes)

before you ask: yes, i bought that costume cuz of pre sear char... and my derv, as i dont like derv armors
glad i got the money at that time

ps. as for survivor, i'm still trying to get it old fashion way "without dying even once before rank 3"

Disney opened the vault (as you say), to make more money. How can you act like you are the capitalism spokesman in one post and then get all mushy when it comes to one of the biggest entertainment corporations in the world? Disney felt bad for people who missed the initial release? LMFAO oh you now made top 10.

Showtime


I don't see how you can be too busy to miss an event and yet have time try dispute every argument in this thread. You snipped me twice simply because you've been exposed as a troll. 3 times the charm...

Showtime


Lmao at you trying to act like you are above it all when it comes to me, but still trying to troll everyone else. Now that takes me back to when I use to troll nubs like you on the offtopic forums. True story.

Showtime


No hats for those who missed it or free hats for everyone who wants em.
Now go back to your arenanet masters and tell them you failed in your sorry attempt to get people to agree to pay for event hats. I hope they fire you.

Showtime

Its mostly about the hats people chose to delete because Anet failed to implement them properly at the time. The first hats just happen to be the most iconic. The pumpkin head and santa hat come to mind. They took up an armor slot and storage space so they were downright annoying. There was no way of telling if storage would increase in the future, if the festival hat maker would be implemented or a special slot to wear them over armor.

Anet gives people a second chance for halloween hats due to a freak snow storm but I can't get a second chance for first year hats because of their goof? And if I do I have to pay? GG

Completely agree. Don't talk about something you know nothing about. Most of you who are talking about it seem like you get your info from fox news.

This is true. Disney is just a pimp, the hoes are Snow White, Ariel and Milley Cyrus.

I'll just have to assume you are one of the unemployed unwashed masses of which we speak then. A generation devoted to begging for the things others actually earned is exactly related to this thread. Daily we are all subject to the players spending more time begging for things then playing the game. If 1% of us are actually enjoying the game we purchased and 99% are busy complaining that its too hard, this game would be a very sad place, much like the occupy movement... 99%? Really? If the slice of people represented on this forum were an accurate representation of the actually population of guild wars then i would be behind all the inane requests, but much like occupy, a small but vocal slice of the whole pretends to represent the opinions of the masses... lets not pretend that the majority of players missed the hats, or feel they deserve them just because they are wonderful in their own minds... your mother may have loved you but we don't have to

better language for the bold part

earned should be got as extra

sry, but i think people deserve it due to buying Guild Wars and maybe even bpaying for ingame store stuff

also:

why calling it all "begging" while you could say "wishing for" ?

instead of : people are begging for older hats to come back
we now say: people are wishing for older hats to come back

and we "earn" titles by doing alot of stuff
we get hats "as a nice extra"

earning is NOT standing in an outpost while you're shopping in reallife
earning is more like you put effort in something (grinding or such) to get something big and/or useful

if you think about it, getting older hats is the same as getting new ones, you just stand in an outpost
so why would it be offending those who stood in LA and/or kamadan before, while they have to do it now, and most likely next year if they want the hats?

i'd like to see new people wearing the oldest yule cap, cuz i like to see it, as its my favorite festival hat, just like the cat ears, but those are barely visible, as they are small and sometimes people have the same color hair

we didnt do much to get the hats, so why wouldnt new players get them now? whether its paying real money, getting older hats at the fitting events, or paying like 1k or exchange items for those hats
i mean, we were just standing, and they have to pay money or get items to get each of them (depends on how Anet would do it)

meaning they are closer to "earn" them than we were, as a matter of fact, if its paying or exchange items for each hat, it IS called "earning"

note: lately i make lots of typoes, i hope i didnt make any real bad ones.... just saying

Making the effort to show up is still more work then complaining after the fact. So lets say instead of earned how about we say put the minimal effort forth to be present. Either way you slice it, participation, no matter how small is still required. If you can't show up you don't get the hat, simple, clean and effective, nothing else to it. When a reward is given in game for participation in an event, it seems only fitting you at the very least show up. Those that can't be there, haven't been there or don't plan on being there simply do not get the reward for actually SHOWING UP. In the case of winters day, there is a collector, didn't get the shards? Don't get the hats

"Give me everything I want immediately."
Sadly, happiness doesn't work this way. If you can get anything simply by buying it with real money there is no value for that item or title or whatever. A hat is meant as a sign to remember the festival. That's its value. Give it to everyone and there's no value left. You could argue that for someone who already has a hat the value stays the same. And why I argue against this is simply, because I'm concerned with GW2 too. I really don't care much about hats, but it just shows the demanding mentality that ultimately devalues everything, because nothing is special anymore, because you can buy everything you missed or cannot achieve with real money.
It's like climbing a mountain versus comfortably sitting in the lift upwards. What's the point of just standing there, if you didn't get up yourself?
Yeah, you can complain about people not having legs being unable to climb up on their own etc., but sometimes you simply have bad luck. It always happens that you cannot get something due to things outside of your control, but that's no reason to devalue it for everyone by building a lift there.

Being a newer play , I would like the opportunity to get the older hats

/signed