GWAMM challenge for teh lulz?

mage767

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

Me/E

NO wiki allowed
NO elite tomes allowed
NO texmod allowed

This includes using Wiki for capping elite skills, knowing pathway for dungeons or missions.

Let's see if you can max 4 carto titles and 4 leg skill hunter titles...with this massive handicap

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Elite tomes fall into the "no tomes" rule from the first post.
No texmod will not be an issue as two of my legendary cartographers never used it.
No Wiki will hurt the most. Not because of missions and dungeons but because of skill locations. That would be the biggest handicap. Missions and dungeons are easier to navigate than having to memorize skills and spawn locations of bosses.

Verene

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

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Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
All my skill hunters were funded through play. Spending 1k on CapSig is of no importance to the title since you get that 1k from drops on the way to the boss. In most cases anyway - Canthan bosses camping outside outposts are an exception but they're few that money for Skill Hunter never becomes an issue.

Biggest problems with Skill Hunter is the time it takes to fight your way to the boss, zone back, zone somewhere else and repeat the process. Add some frustration when capping skills in Tyria. Randomly spawned bosses are a pain.
Yeah - Skill Hunter might seem expensive at first...but really, it's damn cheap. You're not spending ~300k all at once, you're generally spending a few k at a time, and you make that up pretty fast. Do you plan on purchasing signets of capture in bulk to make up for the "no storage" and hence the small gold cap?

And yeah, the time and frustration for capping skills is why I'll probably never do it (I hate randomly spawned bosses). Thankfully I'm not interested in GWAMM

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by Verene View Post
Do you plan on purchasing signets of capture in bulk to make up for the "no storage" and hence the small gold cap?
Didn't give that any thought before you mentioned it. Guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there.


*crosses fingers for tomorrow's online store offer* Go Character slot, go!

Doven

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2011

haha..

and here i thought you already started for some reason.

been working my mesmer through old asc and surrounding areas. drew a match at the academy i logged out for as to save my pidly 16k exp for survivor lol.. but hey. trying to get as many quests done just in general and open up as many outposts as well..

lets just say i am reminded on how much I hate bugs. the vale won't come quick enough!

and neither will that discounted char slot.. time to make some room kid!

cheers
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Verene

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

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Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
Didn't give that any thought before you mentioned it. Guess I'll cross that bridge when I get there.


*crosses fingers for tomorrow's online store offer* Go Character slot, go!
It's probably not the best solution for how to handle money, but if you want to do Skill Hunter, doing that could be useful.

Character slots are on sale this week, go go go!

Doven

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2011

well well.. if thats not a sign from the gw gods i don't know what is.. lol

gogogo!

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tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

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Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
A few days ago I found myself thinking of making a new gwamm character since, obviously, four are not enough to my messed-up mind. Because achieving 30 maxed titles requires only time I started thinking on how to make it a bit more challenging. What I came up was this:

1) Create a Prophecies character.
2) Do not use tomes. Only use currently available skills.
3) Do not use storage. Equip yourself purely by drops and quest rewards. Sell tomes to other players.
4) Play and finish GW chapters in their chronological order.
5) Before moving on to the next chapter get all bonuses/master rewards in missions.
6) Start Hard Mode only after Normal mode in all chapters and EotN has been beaten.
7) Max titles to get GWAMM.
8) Do it without dying once.

Does all this sound doable? Please share your thoughts and comments on how to make the challenge more... Challenging.
The only difficult thing in there would be doing it without dieing. Everything else you mentioned is basically how GW is played by everyone. Like I said, the only challenge in there is doing it without dieing, the rest of it just sounds like playing the game (although it's slightly easier because several older skills have been buffed since people did it five years ago).

On top of all that you have heroes and henchmen with bars that aren't terrible, unlike old school Alesia which was the real HM.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

I don't think everyone plays without storage, tomes and no shortcuts to get some heroes asap but I could be wrong.

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

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Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
I don't think everyone plays without storage, tomes and no shortcuts to get some heroes asap but I could be wrong.
Storage was irrelevent when you began, there was nothing in there to begin with. Tomes weren't added until HM was... which was after most people had completed Nightfall... and well didn't really matter because they were playing through Prophecies and Factions in chronological order anyways (and thus already access to all skills with the exception of elites).

Basically what I'm saying is you are playing the game the way most people who have played the game for 6 years played it when content was introduced, heroes, tomes, new skills, ammassed fortunes, all these things didn't exhist when people played the game the first time through, once you obtained a max weapon (which doesn't even matter for casters) you basically didn't develop your character much more simply. The only difference is better skill bars on henchmen now and the no dieing thing (which I personally think isn't going to happen, you won't be able to farm the things you need to farm in the amounts you need to do them without dieing once unless you spend an absurd amount of time being super cautious).

Eternal Equinox

Eternal Equinox

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Manhattan, New York

lolumad

E/A

This sounds utterly pointless.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by tummlykins View Post
Basically what I'm saying is you are playing the game the way most people who have played the game for 6 years played it when content was introduced...
And that's, basically, what I've said on several occasions here in this very thread.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

The challenge has started. I've made an ele. Kajusbnous decided to join me in this challenge and he made a monk.

Here's a picture of level 5 Isabell Evans and her pro skillbar:



Ryden77

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2010

Just Wanna add an idea to your challenge:
Not using fast travel, force you to do areas one at a Time(cargo and vq).
If you accept this well...gl

Olle

Olle

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Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

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Originally Posted by Ryden77 View Post
Just Wanna add an idea to your challenge:
Not using fast travel, force you to do areas one at a Time(cargo and vq).
If you accept this well...gl
So you mean if i got Proph done and wanna go to ascalon for an quest..i gotta run all the way back from..Droks?
Nothanks.

we're starting with LDoA,ill post my monk soon!

Bright Star Shine

Bright Star Shine

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2009

Belgium

Club of a Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

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Gl guys, if you need any help with anything (not in Ascalon etc, but like, when doing HM missions) feel free to pm me, if I'm free I'd be glad to tag along with my ssin that also needs guardian

No runs will be offered, and no help except teaming up^^ Gotta keep it fair.

Axeman002

Axeman002

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2008

A/Mo

get it done and you will still have a gap year till GW2 is released lmao

but gl with it..i had similar plan to get LDOA then the rest as you are doing (but using chest)

Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Knights of the Sacred Light

W/Me

I'll keep reading for your log of events. One thing I regret on my GWAAM was not keeping a such a log. I had a nice piece of music in mind for a video diary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLJJRIWCLU Sadly my IT skills suck more than my PVP. Good luck

shady tradesman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2010

E/

Here's a challenge: Complete this while nurturing a healthy relationship and job.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

Tedious ("Hard") Mode is already tedious. I can't see why you'd want to add to the tedium.

Any item on the list melissa b posted will add to the challenge far more than any item on the original list other than the deaths restriction. The limiting condition will be getting through the stickier bits in Hard Mode without taking a dirt nap. Other players, PvE skills and cons will make a very large difference in the level of risk you take on to pull that off.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by shady tradesman View Post
Here's a challenge: Complete this while nurturing a healthy relationship and job.
Been doing that for the last three years. No challenge at all.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Alvito View Post
Tedious ("Hard") Mode is already tedious. I can't see why you'd want to add to the tedium.
Not everyone finds HM tedious.

vader

vader

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

P/W

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Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
The challenge has started. I've made an ele. Kajusbnous decided to join me in this challenge and he made a monk.
In a way, you have already cheated by having someone who knows how to play join you. When new people start playing, they don't have the luxury of someone joining them along the way (especially a Monk). Unless you are both working on this separately.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

By that same logic I've cheated even before that because I know how to play. OMG! I should have seen this coming and I must apologize to every member of the community for being dishonest. And chasing e-peen. /eek

I hope that the community will find it in their hearts to forgive me for my transgressions and cheating nature. The first thing I shall do upon my arrival home will be to delete the character. I shall then proceed to stick my head in the doorframe and slam the door a dozen times in hopes of making myself stupider and forgetting how to play GW. Only then shall I be worthy enough to take on this challenge.

Also, before every playing session, I shall sniff glue for 30 minutes and play as retarded as possible.


Jesus Christ, people, can't you ever stop nitpicking, whining and generally trying to kill every shred of fun for the rest of us?



P.S. In case you were wondering, and it's obvious that you were, Kajusbonus and I met in-game only to trade a Battlepick he bought on my auction. We have yet to team up with our characters. And when we do, you'll be the first to know. So you can rant and troll some more. <3

The Rift

The Rift

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Netherlands

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I made myself a new charater for this challenge aswell, looks like a fun thing to do .

Greetz The Rift

Verene

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shady tradesman View Post
Here's a challenge: Complete this while nurturing a healthy relationship and job.
You say that like that's actually difficult.

(most people are able to balance work, relationship, and hobbies just fine, you know)

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Yeah, but they don't post on Guru. Duh.



Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by vader View Post
In a way, you have already cheated by having someone who knows how to play join you. When new people start playing, they don't have the luxury of someone joining them along the way (especially a Monk). Unless you are both working on this separately.
I have an lvl 20 : ranger, dervish, rit,sin,mesmer,warrior,necro,paragon,ele.
but not an lvl 20 monk, therefor, i choose monk.
i dont know cataphract, i have just seen the threads he/she started/posted in.

QQ'ers will never go away

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

Teh Academy[PhD]

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And we're off!

Kayelyyb

Kayelyyb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Founder of Nerfs Are [Whak]

N/Me

don't go ele, go healing breeze wammo

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

this is all easy cakes.

try to get a legendary survivor on a pvp toon.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

The only thing pvp toons are good for is additional storage.

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verene View Post
You say that like that's actually difficult.

(most people are able to balance work, relationship, and hobbies just fine, you know)
I would argue the grindy nature and immense time investment to get a single GWAMM let alone several would prevent anyone who does it in 12 months from having a healthy involvement in the real world. You would be spending so much time in-game grinding stuff that you wouldn't have time to go to friends' birthday parties, the gym, a run, visit your mother, play sports, learn new life skills, work on advancing your career, foster healthy relationships with partners, friends and family, other hobbies etc. I'm sure you could do some of these things, but GWAMM is going to take you away from the real world more than a single game should (unless you are confined to home for some reason, like illness, caring for an elder, mothers who don't invest time in other things etc). If you think you can do all of them you are either botting or underestimate how much time being involved with life on a healthy level takes up. Or you've discovered some super secret way of obtaining GWAMM which makes it trivial.

Gaming is one of those "hobbies" that doesn't really multitask well - you rarely play with people you know irl and it's never comparable to doing something with them in the real world, so practical social skills aren't being used/developed. You don't learn new skills on a level which would be applicable to a job (at least not in the vast majority of GW could you argue that - compare this with fishing, which teaches you about how to prepare fish, how to tie knots, often people learn to drive boats and general practical skills) and you physically don't develop at all (sitting in a chair vs anythign which involves leaving the house). It's great as a stress reliever or just burning down time but things like GWAMM cross the boundary from a little bit of time to too much time with little to no redeaming real life value.

If you worked on a single GWAMM over a period of 3-4 years I can see how that wouldn't be too grind intense, well same amount of grind, just different spread of game time. Some people are just more invested in the game than they are in the real world. That's fine, but I'm not going to pretend GWAMM in shorter periods of time (I'm talking 12 months, not 1 month) is compatible with a healthy involvement in the real world.

Gabs88

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2011

Yeah, sure it sounds doable. But extremely boring. I suggest you spend half the time youre planning to spend on the new GWAMM on going out, enjoying the sun and some bike rides. Maybe grab a girlfriend while you're at it.

4 GWAMMs along with a ridicilusly unhealthy sounding project like this one is just too much, there's more to life.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by tummlykins View Post
You would be spending so much time in-game grinding stuff that you wouldn't have time to go to friends' birthday parties i hate crowds, the gym basketball ftw, a run bicycle ftw, visit your mother she's like two blocks down, play sports basketball ftw, learn new life skills MCITP Enterprise Administrator, work on advancing your career got called for a new job and promptly quit the old one, foster healthy relationships with partners over two years and still kicking <3, friends and family we bbq and mingle every two weeks, other hobbies etc pimping out my honda civic. I'm sure you could do some of these things, but GWAMM is going to take you away from the real world more than a single game should (unless you are confined to home for some reason, like illness, caring for an elder, mothers who don't invest time in other things etc). If you think you can do all of them you are either botting or underestimate how much time being involved with life on a healthy level takes up. Or you've discovered some super secret way of obtaining GWAMM which makes it trivial.
All that bolded stuff with four GWAMMs. Thanks for making me feel like Superman. I really appreciate the ego boost. Won't have to apply for a moderator now. thx

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
All that bolded stuff with four GWAMMs. Thanks for making me feel like Superman. I really appreciate the ego boost. Won't have to apply for a moderator now. thx
You're welcome?

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

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Originally Posted by tummlykins View Post
You're welcome?
You are most kind.

But seriously, you "get a RL" guys are overestimating how hard making a GWAMM is. My hardest GWAMM was my first one. Every one after that was a lot easier.

tummlykins

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
You are most kind.

But seriously, you "get a RL" guys are overestimating how hard making a GWAMM is. My hardest GWAMM was my first one. Every one after that was a lot easier.
I'm not telling you to get a RL. I'm fine with you getting your GWAMM if that's what you want to do. The game exhists to give people content to play through, if people want to grind for GWAMMs and they enjoy that, go for gold. No-one here is trying to stop anyone from doing that. You put your idea on a public forum (your GWAMM challenge). People are giving their personal views on your idea on said forum and responding to the personal views of others (in my case it was Verene's point).

People aren't trolling you or this thread. They just have a different view on how challenging your GWAMM challenge truly is. Others have a different view on the time investment required to get GWAMM (which is probably off topic anyway).

If you don't want people who have different views on your GWAMM challenge to share those views, don't post it on a public forum. I thought the intention of the topic was to get feedback from people on whether they though the peramiters you set were challenging.

Olle

Olle

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2008

Ign: Miniature Julia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabs88 View Post
Yeah, sure it sounds doable. But extremely boring. I suggest you spend half the time youre planning to spend on the new GWAMM on going out, enjoying the sun and some bike rides. Maybe grab a girlfriend while you're at it.

4 GWAMMs along with a ridicilusly unhealthy sounding project like this one is just too much, there's more to life.
i have 1 godwalkings atm , and about to get an second, but ive also helped maxing 3-4 Lux/kurz titles, and survivors, and many other protector/guardians.
Im also in Ling's powerhouse, the most used, and famous running thread in GW, probably in the whole GW history.

i play GW for 10 hours a day ish, but still, i got an gf(2 years yday FYI)
got an chef job, goes to school , got best grades in my class.
Please tell me how to get an life.
please.

cataphract

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by tummlykins View Post
If you don't want people who have different views on your GWAMM challenge to share those views, don't post it on a public forum. I thought the intention of the topic was to get feedback from people on whether they though the peramiters you set were challenging.
Please read the opening post with special focus on the last sentence:

Quote:
Originally Posted by cataphract View Post
Please share your thoughts and comments on how to make the challenge more... Challenging.
It would seem I wasn't asking people to tell me what they think about GWAMM or how hard, boring, tedious and unhealthy it was. But that's just me.



P.S. Mods can close the thread now. We've decided to open a new thread for monitoring our progress and adventures for those interested. As this thread is beginning to turn into a place of preaching a healthy level of living and a trollfest is only a keystroke away I would ask you to be a bit more rigorous to the offtopic in that new thread. Thank you.

Verene

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by tummlykins View Post
I would argue the grindy nature and immense time investment to get a single GWAMM let alone several would prevent anyone who does it in 12 months from having a healthy involvement in the real world. You would be spending so much time in-game grinding stuff that you wouldn't have time to go to friends' birthday parties, the gym, a run, visit your mother, play sports, learn new life skills, work on advancing your career, foster healthy relationships with partners, friends and family, other hobbies etc. I'm sure you could do some of these things, but GWAMM is going to take you away from the real world more than a single game should (unless you are confined to home for some reason, like illness, caring for an elder, mothers who don't invest time in other things etc). If you think you can do all of them you are either botting or underestimate how much time being involved with life on a healthy level takes up. Or you've discovered some super secret way of obtaining GWAMM which makes it trivial.

Gaming is one of those "hobbies" that doesn't really multitask well - you rarely play with people you know irl and it's never comparable to doing something with them in the real world, so practical social skills aren't being used/developed. You don't learn new skills on a level which would be applicable to a job (at least not in the vast majority of GW could you argue that - compare this with fishing, which teaches you about how to prepare fish, how to tie knots, often people learn to drive boats and general practical skills) and you physically don't develop at all (sitting in a chair vs anythign which involves leaving the house). It's great as a stress reliever or just burning down time but things like GWAMM cross the boundary from a little bit of time to too much time with little to no redeaming real life value.

If you worked on a single GWAMM over a period of 3-4 years I can see how that wouldn't be too grind intense, well same amount of grind, just different spread of game time. Some people are just more invested in the game than they are in the real world. That's fine, but I'm not going to pretend GWAMM in shorter periods of time (I'm talking 12 months, not 1 month) is compatible with a healthy involvement in the real world.
You make a lot of stupid and ignorant assumptions, both in the amount of time it takes to do GWAMM (it's not as time-intensive as you seem to think) and whether or not people even want to do the things you claim they'll be missing out on (playing sports? Kill me now. Visiting family? If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't be planning a cross-country move).

But it is more than possible to balance a video game, work, school, and relationships without any of the non-game stuff suffering.

But what would I know, I'm only in the process of of planning a wedding and a cross-country move that will benefit both mine and my fiance's careers while working, while still having plenty of time to spend playing GW