Add new ways to get Asuran Summons

Polymock is too dull and has awkward controls that I don't like to use. I would've never touch it but....

The problem is, it is the only way to get Asuran summons. Which I really want. Sorry to tell you that I don't have the skills for polymock.

So for the skill-less people like me, how do they acquire these Asuran summons?
Put it in a quest, but the only way to get that quest if you finish all the Asuran's quest/Finish all Asuran Missions/Vanq all Asuran Areas/Finish all Asuran Dungeons/etc. This way, you spend time, not skill.

If you want the Asuran Summons quickly, Polymock is still the fastest way.

Discuss. Constructive Criticism only.

I had to do it with 10 characters. What I figured out was, beat it with one character, save the final gold piece, give that piece to your next character, which makes it so much easier. Once you have done it with all of your characters, give the the final gold piece to the first character.

Or, buy polymock pieces that drop from dungeons from other players, and use them, as having 3 gold pieces is incredibly powerful, and makes the game much easier.

Either what Dagoth said, or you know, you could learn how to play the game. It isn't that hard to do polymock even with the pieces they give you.

/signed

i wish they added in other ways to get it. and dont say just cause its easy. it may be easy for you but not for the next person. for me its hard i dont have the good hand/eye cordination to interrupt good enough, and i lag alot so its hard for me. and even with golds polymock pieces it doesnt help. and i tried a lot to get it but never been able to do it.

These quests are good for you to improve your skills and interrupt ability. So if you practice enough or memorize the patterns you will get past it! Unfortunately, for those people on dial-up, old computers or poor connectivity it will be more challenging.

/1 Star I like the quest to stay as is to encourage player development

I didn't know people sell those. I LFB polymock pieces and no one responded for an hour.

From going through dungeons, I haven't seen a single polymock piece yet. I rather redo the content than grind because of luck.


If you haven't read, here:
Then encourage alts to do that.

With players with lots of alts, they can just play polymock for their player development instead of grinding long content for that. Polymock is the fastest way possible for the players anyways.

So it is skill vs. time.

If you buy gold pieces, study the wiki guides, and put in a good amount of practice and still can't beat it...then you don't get the skill...you can't have something just because you want it...you have to accomplish something and in this case its polymock...same for anything...for example, if your unable to beat gate of madness hard mode you don't get guardian title.

So that means I just suck.
As per say the quote:
I want an alternative. I rather use time than skills. I don't want to be an interrupter. A human rupter in PvE is a joke. I don't PvP so I don't need the interrupt for your 'player development.'


For GoM, exploit the bug, call for guildmates to help. Polymock requires you to be alone.

I suck at it too, just buy a good piece and faceroll the quests.

/signed

I dont like that pokemonesque stuff.

I can see where you are from, I had huge problems with polymock too, hated it alot actually.
In the end I bought a gold polymock piece and it worked out for me, even though I am not really that skilled a player either.
I know it sucks, but I really think you should get yourself a gold piece and then try again.
I can't support this idea, you either have to ignore your dislike and get it done, or you wont get the skills.

If there was no way to cheat at it I would say tough just learn to play.

Since there are lots of guides on how to beat it some of which work very well.
I say just give it to everybody in other ways, once people learn to break areas of GW play there isn't any point in keeping up the mystique any more.

No need to replace it with other quests.

Be patient, don't buttonmash and you'll do fine.

i agree, even though my main got them all with tough luck, i still think the game should have more fun for everyone, not only those who like challenges

(i did it with bought pieces)

/agree and /signed for another and nicer(or nice imo) way to get those skills, as i know enough people who hate polymock

if we talk about challenges must be popular, then give the new quests less xp and money reward, or the skills as only reward

ps. there's millions of topics with this suggestion, how can anet not see that enough people hate it? (same for the forums people for that matter)

So... its a harder quest than most? Just do it. Its really not that bad once you get the hang of it. You just need to give polymock a chance, rather than automatically giving up and saying you'll never get those summons.

/notsigned for sure. If anet added new ways to get the summon skills, then they would also have to add new ways to get other PvE skills, since i am sure that there are some people out there who find the other skills hard or time consuming to obtain.

All the asuran quests, which means all of the polymock quests as well, which means you'll end up finishing them anyways?

Oversight aside, I don't know why you're using your inability to do a certain quest or line of quests as an excuse to earn their rewards by doing unrelated things. It's like saying you want Air of Superiority, but don't want to do the Cipher quests to get it, so you want the choice to do something else, or you want EBSoH, but don't want to do the quest line up to it, so you want the choice to do other stuff for it. The bottom line though is that those skills are rewards for those quests and those quests only, and there's no good reason to give players those rewards for doing a lot of other things that aren't related to that quest.

Games should require skill to play. You wouldn't know it with half the shit these days whose only purpose seems to be to fellate the player with how awesome they are, but they do generally require some sort of ability. Get used to it.

A good solution would be to increase the probability of polymock drops from dungeons. I've done all the dungeons in HM/NM, and I have never seen a polymock piece from a chest.

Perhaps have Z-Gold Rewards sell gold polymocks for exorbitant prices. 20-30 G z coins for a polymock piece is not so low to encourage market glut, but enough for people like the OP to save towards that goal.

Since the format requires the ability to interrupt timely, it is somewhat unfair to many players.

Games should require skill that's true but if having that skill can be avoided by buying tokens than its a little silly to pretend it takes skill.

I appreciate it when players say I had to learn the skills to succeed so should you, this is how it should be.
When someone writes a guide that tells you exactly what skills to use in what order to beat the game then skill has gone from the equation.

When you can buy tokens to give you an edge then again skill immaterial.

The bison trophy can be obtained by using spiritspam so where is the skill

I am told there are ways to beat the Norn tournament and Kilroys punchout without too much trouble.

Seems players should just cheat and use the guides.

Go play The Witcher 2. Die 47 times in the very first fight of the game.

Come back here and tell us GW is too hard. I dare you.

QFT. Polymock was a stupid addition to the game. Not that it's hard, just pointless. I never liked it, even from the beginning.

I'd personally like being able to use Asuran Summons, because it seems like a cool idea that would be fun to use. And I'd rather not use a boring, watered-down, basically turn-based version of the game to be able to achieve it.

/sign for alternate way to get Asuran summon. Maybe a Master's Difficulty quest, or some Hard Mode dungeon reward somewhere.

Already nerfed in patch 1.2 because people bitched about needing to not run into the middle of a 4v1 like an idiot. Damn casuals screw up everything, Easy mode is the new Hard mode.

So hold on... anet should allow people who "dont like" one way of getting a reward to obtain the same reward through another format?

I don't like HA. New ways should be added to access the Hall of Heroes chest. I also don't like the Underworld. There should be new ways to obtain black widows.

Point is, a few people not liking a quest chain is no justification to allow alternate access to the rewards of that quest chain.

Come on this is pve. You should be able to beat this games simple AI with your superior human brain, if it is indeed superior to it

Asura summons are the proof that you made the quests.
If you see someone with an Asura summon, you KNOW he beat the the quests.

You don't really 'need' themand if you really needed them, you'll do the quests.
They are a reward for doing the stuff. It doesn't matter that they are skills, they are still a reward for doing something.
In the same way you won't get a Statue in the Honor monument unless you do the stuff, you won't get the Summons if you don't do the stuff.
EotN quest skills are one of the few visible things in GW that prove that you did something instead just paying for it after mindlessly farming, and I can't agree with changing that.

If you don't like doing a quest, you won't get its rewards. That's how quests work.

There are lots of guides you can use for help, and you can always buy some gold pieces to make things easier. You can even use the Iboga piece from one character to make things easier for the rest.

Or add new ways to get the Asuran summon.

It wouldn't matter if it is a boss battle, but if it is a dull mini-game it is unacceptable.

Just why exactly is it unacceptable? There's nothing wrong with a mini-game every once in a while for change of pace.

/notsigned I think by allowing you to use the gold pieces (which you can buy) makes the game simple enough.

/signed, polymock is just too boring and should not be an exclusive one to get the summons. Not that I would use them but it's just stupid now.

thanks for clearing up
minigames are ok, if they are any fun, which polymock isnt, imo

most on these forums want GW to be hard, but this suggestion has been made by many on forums (not just this OP or forums), cuz its boring

from the beginning of polymock i saw lots of topics like this, except the OP's said its just stupid and boring, not much posts said its hard

as for me, i hate polymock, not only cuz i'm slow, but also cuz its.... boring

[example]i have brain damages which make me slow, and even i got them all on 1 char, thx to other pieces, but it took me a long time as its just boring[/example]

i'm glad Anet does more for fun than elitism nowadays, hope they do something like this too

[idea]what i'd like to see instead, is like some fun mission which givesa a piece each, doesnt need to be hard, just have some fun dialogues with those weird asura people, and dont let em have a "must team up with others" mission, as there's not much people i know left, or any people who help for free....[/idea]

hope i made my point

Yeah, I hate polymock too, I find it dull. I do it because I want the skills on my chars. And yes, in all these years of doing dungeons HM and NM numerous times I have NEVER had a polymock piece drop

All the same just leave as it is, if you want the skill learn to do it. Same for that stupid wurm quest you have to do for NF carto.

~.~
Polymock adds a little more depth to the storyline and personality of the Asura.

At any rate, it's super easy and EXTREMELY formulaic.
You CAN'T lose if you repeat the same strategy over-and-over again, and it's super boring, but like all things good (i.e. farming), you have to waste your time if you want it (and it is a game after all).
Not to mention- if this is really Pokemon-esque, your complaining about the easiest game to play in the history of just about everything. Pokemon is meant to appeal to 5 year olds. Are you implying that you have the gaming skill of a 5 year old?

Neat trick:
1. Start match by using a/the 1-second Extremely Strong Spell on Foe
2. Use Power Block
3. Cast Glyph of Concentration
4. Cast your other Extremely Strong Spell. (and watch foe try and 'rupt it)
5. Wait for foe to use their extremely strong spell, cast Power Drain
6. Spam spam spam weak spell (get Power Block'd)
7. Watch your Power Drain and Power Block, the enemy has the same exact cool downs as you do. Generally, you should have used them roughly within 5 seconds of each other initially. Power drain is your friend.
8. Using rule 7, gauge when you can successfully use your Extremely Strong spells.
Tips For PROS ONLY:
-YOU CAN DODGE PROJECTILES.
-YOU CAN AVOID AoE (seen in later matches)

O wait. I realized this is PvE.

Try competitive Pokemon then get back to me . It would be more like Pokemon if you could switch out your Polymock piece mid battle, but that only works for a turn based game.

Actually I saw this thread and remembered that I had yet to do Polymock, so this thread was good for something.

Pretty much use the fact that the opponent tries to still interrupt anything protected by Glyph of Concentration to your advantage. After the first few times anyone can beat it.

Don't think another method of getting the skills is needed.

You mean try comparing PvP to PvE?

For those who don't like the polymock or find it boring - no one forces you to do it. The Asura Summons are not THAT powerful anyway, nor part of the meta (unless something has drastically changed in that matter over the last six months). I don't find HM quests fun, so i don't waste my time with them. I don't need ANY Norn skills but YMLAD and FH on my alts, so i don't do the quests to get them. It's that simple.

Now, i may understand that some of you don't like polymock, but there are people who actually enjoy it and would love to see this format adapted for 1v1 PvP. The fact that you find it boring, that you don't like it or that you can't win a game of polymock means only that, nothing more - it doesn't, objectivelly speaking, make polymock a bad idea.
It's like saying that Cyndr should be deleted from the game - i don't find bombing him with blackpowder enjoyable and i suck at it, i had to rely on R/N touchers to kill the freakin worm, what's not enjoyable either.

From the devs side, polymock is one more thing to make the game diversed. After all, it's not a part of the core campaign quests, like Cyndr, where your lack of skill or your irritation may set you back in the course of the game.
From the lore part, something like polymock makes great sense regarding the Asura. It also makes sense that they are more willing to share some of their inventions - the Summons - with someone who proves his worth by beating the master of their game.

Creating a new way of getting either the skills or the pieces to beat polymock is just raping the Ockham's razor. The current way is perfectly fine as it is - some people like it, some people hate it - but that's natural for some things (i, for example, hate RBR - there's only one track, lags and rubberbandings are too common, it's too luck-based regarding the chests and it requires repetitivness to get the chests you need - remove it! give me some other way to get a zippy, now!). If you suck at it, doesn't matter why, it's only your problem and means that you can't learn something that's simple for other people - just as with being unable to complete Rragar's HM with heroes only (so buy a runner <-> so buy gold pieces) even if your guildie carries it out with no probs, using a blank skilltab.

TL;DR: it's like complaining that UW is too hard to complete and too boring to farm, and there should be another way of getting ectos - cause i'm bored or i suck at the game. NOW.

I agree I didn't like polymock at first and I avoided it until a few months ago. After reading the skill descriptions and saving the interupt/skill block for the heavy damage spells it made playing through easier.
Died quite a few times but after some practice it's super easy now and finished it on my other characters.

Just practice; you will get it.

if anet just changed quests because someone couldnt do them then the whole game would be lvl 0 mobs.
whining on guru because your bad at the game is just silly and pathetic

The Asuran summons have too long of a casting time, so I have little incentive to finish those quests.