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kikkerbeer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

holland

easy

N/A

05 Jun 2011 at 15:09 - 1

i was betting against this guy for lockpicks and ecto's

than i raised the stakes and said i wanted to bet my voltaic spear against his 25 ecto.

well we rolled and here is the result!

edited aaagain the names out by request

so yea he left whitout paying after losing -_-......

should i report him or will it just be ignored?

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Marty edit:

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Originally Posted by kikkerbeer, via PM 1 hour after thread close

the scammer contacted me ingame because of this tread and paid me like 15 ecto.

he wanted to clear his name....

Urcscumug

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2011

UNO

W/

05 Jun 2011 at 15:38 - 2

First of all, edit his name in the screenshot, it's frowned upon on Guru to show other people's IGN without their consent.

Secondly, it's difficult to say.

From what I've seen, scamming is defined by ANet as trying to misrepresent an item or a deal, using false information, or bailing out on a deal after the goods or services were delivered.

This betting thing doesn't technically fall under either case. Personally, I'd consider it more similar to agreeing to do a trade and then one party changing their mind. Since you haven't lost anything it's hard to show exactly how you were hurt.

I guess the best way to find out is to ask support. You can also report him, but you don't get told the report outcome.

Alathin

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2011

R/A

05 Jun 2011 at 15:45 - 3

He has a gambling problem. Get the loan sharks after him. They will make him pay.

Ps. Oranges in a canvas bag and Phonebooks do not leave bruises.

majoho

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Denmark

05 Jun 2011 at 15:58 - 4

Yeah you should report him for scamming you in a bet, hopefully you will both get banned that way

Or in other words, I'm fairly certain gambling in game is against the rules so you should just not talk about it.

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

05 Jun 2011 at 16:03 - 5

Yeah, that's why they disabled /roll in outsposts, they turned into casinos, I don't think ANet approve.

kikkerbeer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

holland

easy

N/A

05 Jun 2011 at 16:06 - 6

for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru

2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it.

3nd:he started the bet i rolled then he rolled so ye its a bit late to bail out then.

(it's like poker when you go all in i show my cards he shows his, then the last flip comes out and then he disides to take his bet back)

4th: gambling in-game is not against the rules.

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

05 Jun 2011 at 17:24 - 7

5th: his name is still in the screenshot

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Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

05 Jun 2011 at 17:24 - 8

There's really no legal backing of this kind of gambling, I'm afraid you're on your own on this one. It's just too easy to scam people this way, so don't do it or do it on your own risk.

Chrisworld

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

W/

05 Jun 2011 at 17:36 - 9

Its the same thing as agreeing on a deal and then just not trading. Both parties left with what they started with. I've pulled back on deals before in game because I had changed my mind. It's a virtual world, not real life. Your actions and decisions to get serious enough to report hin for ragequitting after he lost a bet in a game scares me. The bet was agreed upon with an "ok". This wasn't physical shaking of hands or both parties typing in chat their full character names to lock the deal. That is more professional but even then, to be reported for this is just ridiclous.

mathiastemplar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Denmark

Jade Reapers [JD]

W/

05 Jun 2011 at 18:40 - 10

You still haven't blacked out the name... You wrote it in the chat /durr...

No, it's not scamming, since you didn't lose anything.

Urcscumug

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2011

UNO

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05 Jun 2011 at 18:49 - 11

ANet/NCSoft might actually take issue with gambling in game, because it might have RL consequences. Lots of countries frown upon unregulated gambling of any kind.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

05 Jun 2011 at 18:51 - 12

No, it's not scamming.

Chrisworld

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2010

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

W/

05 Jun 2011 at 19:59 - 13

Oh did I also mention that in your screenshot you said "he left XD" as in you were amused that he left. There is no sign of you being hurt after using an emoticon like "XD".

That, being your first reaction, leads me to believe that it was bullshit all along and that if YOU lost you would leave too and hold on to your Volatic. Say what you want but it's true lol.

kikkerbeer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

holland

easy

N/A

05 Jun 2011 at 20:25 - 14

i just found it funny that i wonn with those odds i rolled than a thought Fck but then i was like zomg i won.

ques i pm him hen he's online if thats the only thing i can do.

Lord Dagon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2009

Inside the Oblivion Gate

The Imperial Guards of Istan[TIGE]

E/Me

05 Jun 2011 at 20:37 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikkerbeer

i just found it funny that i wonn with those odds i rolled than a thought Fck but then i was like zomg i won.

ques i pm him hen he's online if thats the only thing i can do.

this should have been your conclusion to begin with. trying to get someone banned b/c they backed out of an online game while doing a possibly bannable gambling offense is simply foolish.

you shouldn't do gambling. period.

Verene

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2009

[SOTA]

D/

05 Jun 2011 at 20:43 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikkerbeer

for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru

2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it.

It doesn't matter if you don't mind, it's still against the rules on guru.

And of course it's not scamming. He's not actually under any obligation to pay you at all.

Venganza

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2011

Fire

05 Jun 2011 at 20:52 - 17

Gambling entails risk. In real life if you bet against a mean old dawg who doesn't like to lose big, he may pull out a gun and shoot you.

Why the hell would GW be any different?

You lost, he bailed... that's life, man up and get over it.

melissa b

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

05 Jun 2011 at 20:57 - 18

I would call it reneging - fail to fulfill a promise. Scamming involves acquiring something which didn't happen. If gambling was legal and enforced by anet than it would be a bad-debt and you would need to go to a collection agency (anet) and they could issue a bad credit report (ban) but since anet doesn't support gambling just laugh it off?.

Also, you can't really cry scam when you engage in something against the rules.

Edit old example didn't apply to op. You can't go to a judge and ask for a refund because the hitman you hired didn't kill your business partner.

kikkerbeer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

holland

easy

N/A

05 Jun 2011 at 21:12 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by melissa b

I would call it reneging - fail to fulfill a promise. Scamming involves acquiring something which didn't happen. If gambling was legal and enforced by anet than it would be a bad-debt and you would need to go to a collection agency (anet) and they could issue a bad credit report (ban) but since anet doesn't support gambling just laugh it off?.

Also, you can't really cry scam when you engage in something against the rules. You can't go to a judge and ask for a refund because the wasn't the same potency as advertised.

in my country holland marijuana is legal but thats another thing.

i just spoke to him he said he diddent saw the toss ^^
soooooo i gave him the link to the picture and havent heared from him yet.

also everyone bets like who wil pay for cons /toss 100

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

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05 Jun 2011 at 21:27 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by kikkerbeer

for 1: i dont know about you but when i get scammed i realy dont mind his name get posted on guru

You don't, but gwguru does.

Quote:

2nd: if he has a problem with e posting his name here he can contact me ingame pay me 25 ecto and i will gladly remove it.

Guru mods will take it up with you, not him.

kikkerbeer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2011

holland

easy

N/A

05 Jun 2011 at 21:29 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iuris

You don't, but gwguru does.

Guru mods will take it up with you, not him.

wow you realy have to check first post.
already removed the names twice please read threads before commenting.

also he just reacted again.

he was upset because he was kicked from the guild because of this. so he wouldent want to pay
so i said that the guild ould like him back if he proved his innocense by paying.

then he said and i quated:
No i don't wonna wwaste anymore time on you.

Bristlebane

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

05 Jun 2011 at 23:26 - 22

Close this topic already, there's nothing productive coming out of it.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

05 Jun 2011 at 23:31 - 23

Ok, we've established that this isn't really a scam, and even if it was we couldn't do anything for you anyway. Discuss it with support if you feel the need to. There's no point leaving this open any longer.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kikkerbeer, via PM 1 hour after thread close

the scammer contacted me ingame because of this tread and paid me like 15 ecto.

he wanted to clear his name....