Zaishen Vanquish and Cartography?
vader
I usually try to do the Zaishen Vanquishes with PUGs but recently, its starting to get a bit annoying. It seems now there is always one or two people in the group that insist on working on their cartography title while vanquishing. They're running off to where no monsters are to map or they're slowly following behind us hugging walls. I've asked some of them to please map when the vanquish was over and they usually just ignore me but yesterday, someone told me that the group is expected to allow people to do mapping while vanquishing. Really? Since when is it expected for people to waste their time while someone else works on titles?
vitorvdp_68
That is the reason I vanquish alone most of the time... not going to wait for a pug to map, and I wouldn't expect anyone to wait for me either.
Or you can do it with friends or guildies who will be understanding and map after the vanquish : D
Or you can do it with friends or guildies who will be understanding and map after the vanquish : D
halfies
meh, of course there are gonna be people mapping in vqs, its the best time to do it. if you really hate it use heroes, but i cant think why the extra time annoys you so much, its not that long. seems a petty thing to complain about, when its so easy to get around.
Aeronwen
Even in our guild vanqs anyone who wants to map waits until the end of the vanq and then does it when those who don't need to map has left if they want to. It is extremely discourteous to map during a vanq, unless all have agreed it upfront.
Of course you see bad behaviour on GW every day - your only recourse is to put the names of those who behave badly on your ignore list and make sure you do not go in a group with them again.
Of course you see bad behaviour on GW every day - your only recourse is to put the names of those who behave badly on your ignore list and make sure you do not go in a group with them again.
TheGizzy
Considering that the Wiki explicitly tells players that combining Vanquishing with mapping is a good idea, it's not really surprising that players are doing exactly that - their primary source of information is indicating that's how it's done.
You could always create your own PuG and specifically state in your ad: "LFG ZV - NO MAPPING"
That way you'd attract people who feel the same and you won't have any cause to complain about people doing exactly what the (closest thing to an) instruction manual (that GW has) says to do.
You could always create your own PuG and specifically state in your ad: "LFG ZV - NO MAPPING"
That way you'd attract people who feel the same and you won't have any cause to complain about people doing exactly what the (closest thing to an) instruction manual (that GW has) says to do.
chuckles79
I was going to say have a heart, but I then remembered what yesterday's ZVq was and I understand. Arborstone is notoriously difficult to cartograph and shouldn't be one where PuG'rs try to complete during a VQ.
I think a good rule for people is don't plan on VQ'ing to cartograph. Happy accidents are fine and you are welcome to run along the edges (a speed boost, from cons or otherwise would be good etiquette here); however most PuGs don't have the time for someone to walk back and forth along a cliff wall, trying to uncover that last little part of gray.
If you honestly need to cartograph during your VQ, do it with heroes or understanding guildies, or at least people who need to do the same.
I know there is no way I intend to make others suffer with me when I go to do the Drok's corridor (Snake Dance, Dreadnaught's, and Lornar's pass)
I think a good rule for people is don't plan on VQ'ing to cartograph. Happy accidents are fine and you are welcome to run along the edges (a speed boost, from cons or otherwise would be good etiquette here); however most PuGs don't have the time for someone to walk back and forth along a cliff wall, trying to uncover that last little part of gray.
If you honestly need to cartograph during your VQ, do it with heroes or understanding guildies, or at least people who need to do the same.
I know there is no way I intend to make others suffer with me when I go to do the Drok's corridor (Snake Dance, Dreadnaught's, and Lornar's pass)
dudemonkey
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Originally Posted by vader
Really? Since when is it expected for people to waste their time while someone else works on titles?
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tcratty
its simple use your heros they do what they are told to do PUGS=nightmares
Tharg
well, some maps might still have some pop-ups that are missed while vanquishing. So if you map (on your own) after VQ, you might get surprised by pop ups and get killed. But yeah, that's not a real excuse not to map after PUG VQ.
Kook~NBK~
Common Courtesy is something that isn't very common anymore. There is no reason that someone who is working on their Cartography title can't wait until the vanquish is completed to go back to uncover spots that weren't hit in the course of the VQ.
The only difference between making the VQ last 5-10 minutes longer by mapping while vanquishing and waiting until the end and spending 5-10 minutes after the VQ is complete is this: When you wait, you're not holding other people up. (And, if you wait, you can pick up junk others have left behind)
The only difference between making the VQ last 5-10 minutes longer by mapping while vanquishing and waiting until the end and spending 5-10 minutes after the VQ is complete is this: When you wait, you're not holding other people up. (And, if you wait, you can pick up junk others have left behind)
Cuilan
Draw a line on the map and tell the rest of the group to ignore them. Let the person lay there dead if they die.
Some groups will go together on the sides of the map and work their way in. That way they're all satisfied. Could also briefly discuss the undesired issue before leaving.
Some groups will go together on the sides of the map and work their way in. That way they're all satisfied. Could also briefly discuss the undesired issue before leaving.
Ghost Dog
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How does one "waste their time" while playing a video game?
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Anyway I did cartography on my own except of course thunderhead because that's not frowned upon.
This is a bit much I agree.
cosyfiep
carto I do or did separately since I dont believe that people should have to wait while I run over there to say HI to that wall or tree---
though I also vanquish alone as well ---mostly due to getting interrupted while I play (again I dont think others should have to wait while I answer the door, phone, pull the stuff out of the dryer etc).
I guess I play alone too much and enjoy being able to do what I want without bothering others. (and most areas arent too hard to vanquish with 7h now).
though I also vanquish alone as well ---mostly due to getting interrupted while I play (again I dont think others should have to wait while I answer the door, phone, pull the stuff out of the dryer etc).
I guess I play alone too much and enjoy being able to do what I want without bothering others. (and most areas arent too hard to vanquish with 7h now).
DiogoSilva
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Originally Posted by vader
Since when is it expected for people to waste their time while someone else works on titles?
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Some people, like me, do the ZV for the title, no for the crappy rewards. So if I can get 2 titles instead of one while doing it, then that's what I'll do.
Belzebu
Forget PUGs, with 7 heroes you can VQ any area with no problem at all, actually when I started to do the Zvqs I joined some PUGs, after some fails I tried with only heroes and was much easier than I expected.
IMO heroes are better than average players.
IMO heroes are better than average players.
chuckles79
This is becoming another "Why play the Massively Multiplayer game with other people?" thread.
Simple solution, if you are wanting to cartograph while VQ'ing with a PUG, ask them first and make sure it's ok. If it's not, either suck it up or leave.
Simple solution, if you are wanting to cartograph while VQ'ing with a PUG, ask them first and make sure it's ok. If it's not, either suck it up or leave.
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by DiogoSilva
The answer is simple: because they want to work on titles and not waste time. Why waste time mapping only after VQ, if both can be done at the same time?
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makosi
It's much more time efficient to do cartography separately from vanquishing. Just equip Shadow Form and some running skills, switch to NM and off you go.
I wouldn't wall-hug on other people's time and I wouldn't expect others to do it either. It's common courtesy.
I wouldn't wall-hug on other people's time and I wouldn't expect others to do it either. It's common courtesy.
Quaker
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Originally Posted by vader
Since when is it expected for people to waste their time while someone else works on titles?
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a) Do it with Heroes and Henchmen
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b) Do it with Guildmates or a Party that has agreed beforehand to wait for you.
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c) run around and do the carto after the vanquish is complete. Since all the foes will be dead, it may even take less time over all. If you don't have the H&H to do it yourself or you don't have Guildies to do it with, and, therefore you need/want to use a PUG, you should respect the fact that others in the group don't share your title needs.
It's just good manners.
Lest121
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Originally Posted by makosi
It's much more time efficient to do cartography separately from vanquishing. Just equip Shadow Form and some running skills, switch to NM and off you go.
I wouldn't wall-hug on other people's time and I wouldn't expect others to do it either. It's common courtesy. |
shadowfell
I actually got told TO map while I was in a vanquish. I was like, "No, it's ok, I'll just map when I come back through for these quests..".."No, do it NOW"
Ok.. -meep-
Ok.. -meep-
Xenex Xclame
I don't mind this too much but of it takes too long then its annoying.The port sledge vanquish was a good example, while the map isn't big and it doesn't take long to map the areas it still adds to time for other people.
On the left side right next to port sledge ( when you are facing it ) there isn't any mobs but its a pretty far off the route, while like i said it doesn't take much time it's still a example of why people might get annoyed by people doing this.Why can't they just do carto after the area is clear?
One thing that annoyed me more at Arborstone was when we were done and 5 people had left, I decided to stay behind to collect my drops I was too busy to collect while healing and drop of people that had left and not picked up theirs, but what does this warrior ( that was one of two other people that stayed ) do instead of mapping back to town he walks in and teleports us ..................
When your doing this kind of thing you TELEPORT to where you want to go , you don't drag the whole party with you without knowing if they want to.
On the left side right next to port sledge ( when you are facing it ) there isn't any mobs but its a pretty far off the route, while like i said it doesn't take much time it's still a example of why people might get annoyed by people doing this.Why can't they just do carto after the area is clear?
One thing that annoyed me more at Arborstone was when we were done and 5 people had left, I decided to stay behind to collect my drops I was too busy to collect while healing and drop of people that had left and not picked up theirs, but what does this warrior ( that was one of two other people that stayed ) do instead of mapping back to town he walks in and teleports us ..................
When your doing this kind of thing you TELEPORT to where you want to go , you don't drag the whole party with you without knowing if they want to.
zwei2stein
You did join pug to be social, right? Well, this gives you time to chat with people.
aspi
I'd leave in a second if someone is screwing around with carth without telling up front.
AngelWJedi
i cart when i vanq and its the same time limit if i dont. if you really dont like it when people do it say it in the group listing no cart or go with people who wont do it or even use heros. i use heros since im one of the people who have to stop alot due to rl issues.
Martin Alvito
Spending other peoples' time for them without being up-front about it is just selfish.
If you ask to map, and the group is fine with it, then it's fine. If you don't, then you deserve any and all abuse you get, because you're the sort of person that ruins the group experience for others and the rest of us would be better off if you found another game to play.
If you ask to map, and the group is fine with it, then it's fine. If you don't, then you deserve any and all abuse you get, because you're the sort of person that ruins the group experience for others and the rest of us would be better off if you found another game to play.
chuckles79
A good point was brought up, if you are going to VQ with a PUG, clear your schedule.
Let anyone know who might be expecting your time that you will be busy, and clearly state intentions of carting beforehand.
If you are going to cart, you should probably bring cons or something to make up for the added burden you will be creating.
Let anyone know who might be expecting your time that you will be busy, and clearly state intentions of carting beforehand.
If you are going to cart, you should probably bring cons or something to make up for the added burden you will be creating.