Quick FoW MoP Question

People saying that AP sucks are just terribad. I find no reason to run N/P other than having Fall Back and CTT, but since the monk should run that anyway it doesn't matter. AP is good because it makes sure that MoP always is recharged, for example in forge... AoS doesn't always recharge your skills. Secondly AoS is a PvE-skill, stealing the spot for a usefull skill like GDW, YMLAD etc. AP is also good because you can chain EVAS and Finish Him on leftover targets since the skills will recharge when the foe dies, speeding up the run. Tbh there's really not any very usefull elite skill that can be used over AP anyway since Foul Feast does the job just fine.

It's different if you run Inspirational Speech though because that gives the necro a reason to go /P, but since only people with a half a brain uses that, it excludes any form of pugteams. Very few teams will be spiking again before MoP can recharge normally anyway so it's more a matter of personal preference. I don't play MoP often but when I do,I don't use AP.

When running with 3(or 4) terras and a single warrior, n/p becomes superior due to inspirational speech, although a single derv generally does the job better. When running with 3 (or 4) terras run mes spike (or dwgs) because manly spike with only war + nec is shitty and pointless when mesmers/rits are stronger and better overall.

There, fixed that for you

i lol'd @ assylia calling people terribad for saying AP is subpar when it clearly is. You even listed the reasons for bringing n/p over n/a... N/P with ijafw is actually becoming more common, so i wouldnt say it is beyond pugteams.


OT: It makes pretty much no difference as paranon says, everything should die anyway. but ideally go n/p with the bar you showed.
Thing is, most pugs are still pretty sub-par in terms of team coordination and ability (which is beyond me how people can be bad at pressing 12345, or making a simple ball when there are several good videos with experienced pulls) so your bar although not having an effect on the spikes, will have an effect on cleanup, and assuming you have some cleanup to do, n/p is going to be vastly better than n/a,

When running with 3 (or 4) terras run mes spike (or dwgs) because manly spike with only war + nec is shitty and pointless when mesmers/rits are stronger and better overall.

There, fixed that for you

i lol'd @ assylia calling people terribad for saying AP is subpar when it clearly is. You even listed the reasons for bringing n/p over n/a... N/P with inspirational is actually becoming more common, so i wouldnt say it is beyond pugteams.


OT: It makes pretty much no difference as paranon says, everything should die anyway. but ideally go n/p with the bar you showed.
Thing is, most pugs are still pretty sub-par in terms of team coordination and ability (which is beyond me how people can be bad at pressing 12345, or making a simple ball when there are several good videos with experienced pulls) so your bar although not having an effect on the spikes, will have an effect on cleanup, and assuming you have some cleanup to do, n/p is going to be vastly better than n/a, Meh, im from a time before buh change and regen change, when war+nec reigned supreme. Oh, and N/A is far superior to N/P in terms of cleanup ability. tab->ap->fh repeat. I dont see why people think that removal of conditions is somehow better than lulzspam of fh/evas.

Well even if you go N/A just for AP which can be replaced with AoS, you're going N/P for IJAFW which is an elite and is as usefull as Foul Feast. Since you have to bring AoS you can't bring another PvE-skill either, making you gain less power than N/A who can bring 3 dmg PvE-skills. And well it happens a lot in pug teams that theres more than 1 left over foe after the spike, making N/A better... once again because you can chain more EVAS and FH. And there's no need for 2 copies of CTT either, preventing 4 touch skills is enough. So then the only reason left is Fall Back, and tbh there's not that much running in FoW, and those 10 seconds that the monk's Fall Back is recharging won't matter enough to even bother since most times you'll be waiting for the tank to ball things anyway. And why was Inspirational Speech better when theres 2 spikers?

This is why you're wrong. The old 2spiker bars (N/P and W/A only) were different, the n/p would run inpirational and use it on the war on spikes - a tactic not used any more on t3/t4way really, and when they do t3 with manlyspike they run 2 wars/dervs and a nec instead of the old 1 nec + war + monk/forest rit.

as i said... you have 2 spikers and an sos clearing up, with two spikers on one target and additional damage from spirits, EVAS + FH is negligible damage, oh and i said ~2 foes, because normally it is a few bonds left over because pugs cannot ball them correctly... the difference AP makes for spamming stuff is negligible. i didnt say 2x CTT is a necessity, i said it is an option, so again, your point is invalid. also... IJAFW is > ff so, how does that make ijafw not a reason? your logic is flawed. Tank should also have balled everything before you get there anyway, and even if he hasnt, its not like you stand still for hours waiting, so again, flawed point. Also, most pugs just run evas + fh and then whatever the hell else on their bar, 3rd pve skill is often either negligible in how much it helps or they dont even take one, so again, you made no real point.

You can argue this to death if you wish, but it is accepted that n/p is superior to n/a by most high end players, or even players who just know how skills work... so i dont see why you are so hell bent on arguing otherwise. Your logic is quite heavily flawed and you keep attempting to disregard points i make using flawed statements.

I have told you why n/p is superior to n/a, and considering most people here are in agreement with me, i dont see any point in this continuing. Oh, and dropping AP for aos and secondary opens up more than just IJAFW, you can run /mo for ua or rc as others have stated, there are several other options, n/p is just the most popular.