Gamer Title Change to include losses

jason.ralston1

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

OCAU

N/R

The description for the Gamer title says "You earn gamer points by participating in Festival Games".

At the moment the only time your awarded gamer points is if you win the match (or in the case of rollerbeatle get to finsih within 30sec of first place).

I think that to better match the description of the title, 1 gamer point should be awarded for each loss in the festival games. This would at least reflect the "participating" part of the description ingame.

Rob Roy The Divine

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Weegieville

No Goats No Glory [BAAA]

W/

/signed, sick of getting trounced by syncers and getting nothing for wasting 5 minutes

Skye Marin

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

What would stop people from leeching?

SheilaWhiteclaw

SheilaWhiteclaw

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2011

Bucharest, Romania

Cursed Swords Of Blood N Steel [BS]

R/Rt

/signed. they shuld rlly do this indeed.

Rob Roy The Divine

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Weegieville

No Goats No Glory [BAAA]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skye Marin View Post
What would stop people from leeching?
/report?

12 chars

Rugar

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Reward for not even trying?

/notsigned

chuckles79

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2009

FILA

P/

/signed
The title is nigh impossible to get unless you are botting and/or syncing.

Steps_Descending

Steps_Descending

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

IN my pocket plane. Obviously!

Little Tom's Pocket Plane [THom]

Me/Mo

I agree it would makes sense. But real gamerz never loose against n00bz =D.

Seriously, I'm neutral. It makes sense, but not needed, I don't care and it would devalue the title. I don't mind hard titles. Even with HoM.
(that's not egoism, /signed means "I want this")

Coast

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

Quote:
I don't care and it would devalue the title.
It never had any value, so how could it possible be devalued?.

Missmelady

Missmelady

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Wisconsin

Our Gostly Solo Caps

Mo/

um, Yea this would not work. Could you say afk central with a bot that pushes enter for u then nothing else?

Jeydra

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skye Marin View Post
What would stop people from leeching?
This is the reason I can't agree with this. /report does not solve the problem, either. So many people leech JQ in spite of /report, so ...

mage767

mage767

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

USA

LOVE

Me/E

Separate win/loss ratio (skill) and participation (experience) as in many other games.

Then the QQ will stop.

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

/signed

Why not? Everything else is getting easier.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Roy The Divine View Post
/report?

12 chars
Works so well in other formats.
Oh wait.

Kunder

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2010

Seeing how Guild Wars itself is a game, we should get 1 gamer pt/min for simply being online during all festivals. That would make it totally consistent with what the title says it is.

Ximvotn

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2011

You should get a gamer point per skill used. That would better reflect the title itself, joking aside this probably isn't the best idea.

/notsigned

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Points simply for the sake of effort should never be given, at least in a scope such as this.

Zenzai

Zenzai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/E

I never participated in the Gamer title simply because of the fact that losers get nothing to show for it, despite them making an effort to play. For those that say that it would encourage leeching, botting and overall cheating, people do it in PVP now. It's not going to change anything.

Swingline

Swingline

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2010

Somewhere far away from you

The Mirror of Reason[SNOW]

W/

/neutral

There needs to be a final fix for syncing and botters but not int his way

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

On a side note, glad points should be given for participating and losing the first match. Then maybe award 2+ points for winning instead. That way my effort and participation is awarded despite my failures and unluckiness.

Reverend Dr

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skye Marin View Post
What would stop people from leeching?
While a format itself rewarding leechers is a problem, the fact that the game itself really doesn't have a way to deal with leechers in any format is also a [completely separate] concern.

And to say /report is a valid way to deal with leechers is to be ignorant on the inner workings of the system.

Drake Slasher

Drake Slasher

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2008

MoO

D/W

getting something for nothing is bad, leave the title alone plz
/notsigned

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenzai View Post
I never participated in the Gamer title simply because of the fact that losers get nothing to show for it, despite them making an effort to play.
If you're upset that players get nothing for trying, then you're wrong, because aside from RBR, players can earn Balthazar faction without winning the game. It's less than you may get from other forms of PvP, but given the nature of the arena, this is perfectly acceptable.

If you're upset that players don't get title points simply for effort, neither do players in RA, CA, HA, or GvG, nor did they in TA or HA when they were around. I suppose you've never participated in those arenas either then?

To go and say that players that do AB, FA, and JQ get something for their effort every time doesn't really fit, because those arenas are significantly different in the fact that their associated titles work off their faction gain rather than outright wins or losses. Additionally, these titles can be progressed through PvE play. Were the titles based on matches won, this would fall into the second category above, and then we would have no PvP arena anywhere where losers get title points simply on account of effort.

Quote:
For those that say that it would encourage leeching, botting and overall cheating, people do it in PVP now. It's not going to change anything.
Leeching, botting, and cheating is already a bad enough problem. Why consciously make it worse?

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

If there was a way to effectively catch and punish leechers from the very start I would agree with a single point just for joining a match, but the current report methods are not enough to get rid of the problem this would cause.

If they ever come up with a way to completely get rid of leechers, bots and syncers, then I will completely agree with this.

carnage-runner

carnage-runner

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada, B.C. Vancouver. aka.. amazing.

[Sith]

W/Me

Either this.. Or make winning worth more points. Getting that gamer title the way it is right now is rather difficult... What with having no choice for most all events but randomly partying up with noobs. Make it like TA was... Have one area for RA and one for TA (with event games).

I like the 1 point for participating too. Maybe add that, a TA like area, and make winning worth more points?

/signed.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

/signed --they nuked drunkard, why not this one too.

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

Well, as long as there's a minimum time, and you don't get anything if you leave, resign or quit, it should at least encourage being in matches.

But still there needs to be a way to detect who's actually playing, like using at least 3 different skills minimum number of times.

Tactical-Dillusions

Tactical-Dillusions

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Grimsby, UK

R/

If it makes a title easier, then signed.

Failing that, just give the title automatically to players over 2 years old. Or should that say characters?

Missing HB

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2010

Anna

A/

What you guys don't like in my opinion is the fact that those arenas are too much relying on the ' random' system and i really do agree with it
Costume brawl was nice, because 1-2 good players can make your team win, you got 2 options to win( cap and kill), no syncs and you hardly get frustrated because builds are fair....
RBR can be fun, but can also be super-frustrating, depending whether you play for ladder or for points....It's terribly worse than those games where you can go from first to last simply due to luck.... Also few bugs from skills such as Ram achieve to ruin your fun ...
Snowball are DA got the same obvious problem so i won't go on it ....

But however , i will /notsigned because then formats would become more jokes than they already are and it would probably favorise too much afking all day like in shing jea ...

Pre Warrior Dude

Pre Warrior Dude

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2009

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake Slasher View Post
getting something for nothing is bad, leave the title alone plz
/notsigned
This

The title isn't even that hard to get to begin with.

Dervish Kid

Dervish Kid

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Florida

D/

i hate the gamer title. can only be gained during events, and with random teams. fail. I stopped at about 90 gamer points and my oldest character is 58 months old.