$100,000 Prize, Could Be Better Spent?

JiggyFly

JiggyFly

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

So-Cal

Forsaken Wanderers [FW]

Mo/

I'm pretty sure it is not as black-and-white as:

Anet spends 100,000$ dollars on Chapter 2.

or

Anet spends 100,000$ on prize money.

I think it's neat that Anet put up prize money, and it does add a bit of incentive to get into PvP. And from a managment standpoint it's genius, because they realize many players are twidling their thumbs waiting for Chapter 2, and some might start leving for other games. But if the reward gets just 2,001 people to consider "Heck I'll try PvP if there are rewards" or even just kept a few more players around until Chapter 2, it was a win for them.

Or you could look at it as Anet doing something nice for it's gaming community..but god forbid they get any thanks for putting up 100,000 buckaroos.

LuLu

Guild Wars Cutie

Join Date: May 2005

In a land far far away

Te

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pevil Lihatuh
well considering you have to travel to take part in the final, once that money has been split between 8 of you, and expenses have been removed, its not gonna be *that* impressive (although still an amount I would kill for)
All expenses are paid for by a.net. Your plane ticket, hotel, etc.

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexi Zingforger
When I first saw this prize that was up for grabs, I thought it ridiculous, surely Arenanet doesn't have to resort to this to keep players interested. Not only this, but truly a very small amount of people are going to participate and receive any kind of award from this.

Do you think this money is better invested in developing more content for the game, or perhaps Chapter 2? I for one would 100% prefer this.
While I understand your reaction, I'm not certain it is 'ridiculous'.
I come from the Magic the Gathering corner, where also high rewards are being payed to top players.

It gives an extra incentive to top players to reach the edge of their possibilities. Having a good top competitive environment for games like this is important: for balance reasons, for the talk of the moment which keeps game fresh (we are talking on it here also ), to find new buildtypes, and it shows that ANet takes the WorldChampionship very serious.

greetings Makk.

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

The prize money isn't really much nothing, it prolly is under 'Advertisement'-tab in their bookkeeping too. There have been news on many gaming websites about the reward, and there still will be. It's all advertisement.

Effendi Westland

Effendi Westland

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Isle of the dead

[DVDF][LDS]

P/W

It's marketing, very good marketing actually.

Perhaps ANet has it sponsored, perhaps not, however it is not money that would have been better spend on chapter 2 in my opinion. I think this is mostly targeted to Korea, and perhaps they are running an add-campaign with it, perhaps that is not necessarry. Korea is a very different gaming-culture, where the masters of starcraft have been treated like gods and still are treated that way. They have arena's there with a ring for spectaters where the starcrafters take place in the middle and everybody can follow it on a big screen, very popular.

Perhaps ANet wants to be the most popular PvP experience. Besides , if they actually get people joining because of price money (not unthinkable, happened to magic, the gathering trading card game) the costs of the price money is reduced by the extra people it draws (Because that income would otherwise not be gained).

Alexi Zingforger

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

England

[DW] Drunken Warriors

E/

From what I know about game developers, they receive a very small slice of the money pie, though perhaps the $100,000 really isn't a large amount of money to them. I guess my reaction stems from the argument that they're just throwing money at us and not giving us more of the things we really want.

KiyaKoreena

KiyaKoreena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA

Kirins of Holy Light

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Two April Mornings
1 million copies of guild wars.... times 50$ .... they can afford this
I keep seeing this brought up in threads. Like every product out for sale Anet does NOT get the full amount we pay for the game. The store retailing it takes a chunk (when working in retail most items I saw were marked up at least 50% over wholesale cost, though I am not sure the exact markup for video games), their distributor takes a piece, the printers take a piece, taxes throughout the line... You can not guess their profit margin by games sold X average store retail price. Please people stop trying to use this as an argument that they have tons of money to be throwing everywhere.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

A company that cares more about its customers than its own pockets. That's the way I see it as.

Sagius Truthbarron

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

Do alot of people generally compare Arenanet to themselves or something? "omgz i don have 100k! how can dey afford dat dey shall b teh bankrut bie chaper 2 and den dey not make chaper 2!!!"

They also seem to think that an extremely rich, very professional and expirienced Korean MMORPG company that hiers corperate Think-Tanks can't think for themselves.

No, I doubt they are going to go bankrupt from giving one team 100,000 dollars out of their surplus and I don't think they'll have to make any compromises for chapter 2.

I'de have to say $100,000 isn't really that much for climbing to the top of the guild ladder, then having to battle the best guilds in the world, along with all that hassle of planning and spending all that time trying to get to the top of the ladder for months on end.

Sure, going to Taipai might be a reward in itself, but what are you going to come home with after you win? 'Oh, gee, that was fun, I only wasted 5 months of my life for that...'

qwe4rty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Texas

Brewed to Perfection [BtP]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexi Zingforger
I realise that it isn't a great deal of money in today's gaming industry, I just think it could be better spent elsewhere, such as hiring people to keep us better informed of progessing developments. I really dislike the lack of information that we receive, especially on the front page of the website.
Just thinking about average wages, I think that would hire 2 and a half people, maybe 3. Something around there.

Plus, why should they give out all the information at once. It's like a hook, keeps us salivating for more. I like how they are doing it now just fine. It's just enough each time to make me want to get Ch. 2.

My $ .02

Zaklex

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

San Jose, CA, USA

Remnants of Ascalon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexi Zingforger
SNIP Or perhaps buying some more bandwidth to stop the lag which is blighting servers recently.

SNIP
The lag has nothing to do with bandwidth and everything to do with the inferior internet substructure, i.e. still travelling over copper wires, etc.. IF everything was optical, including right up to the connection to the comp itself, you would see a significant drop in lag, though distance from the source would still play a part.

As for those people calling for GM's, there are no GM's in GW nor will there ever be, it doesn't require them, that's what the reporting process via the support page is for.

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

$100,000 dollars, wow thats enough to get..1852 copies of Chapter 2!

Hanuman li Tosh

Hanuman li Tosh

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

garden of the gods, CO

Over Powered

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it is chump change. theres 10 ppl per team so 10k each. you arent even a pro gamer off 10k. however, most pro gamers get paid off sponsors and not purses.

but 100k for a prize in a tourney is the best advratising you can buy in a video game. so kudos to anet on that one.

hidden_agenda

hidden_agenda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaklex
The lag has nothing to do with bandwidth and everything to do with the inferior internet substructure, i.e. still travelling over copper wires, etc.. IF everything was optical, including right up to the connection to the comp itself, you would see a significant drop in lag, though distance from the source would still play a part.
That is something that EVERYONE has had to live with... It is well-known as the "Last Mile" problem, that the connection from the ends of the M1-3 network backbone to the individual consumers is where the internet bottleneck is at.

In fact, this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the communication / network backbone industry in 2002 (remember MCI/WorldComm? AT&T split?)

My point being -- this is not a problem that Anet can solve. Billions of $$s had already been spend and is continuing to be spent on this issue. Everyone has had to live with it -- including all the online game companies, the business sites (eBay, Yahoo!, etc.)... So it really doesn't explain the issue of the recent server lag.

[Complete aside: Yes, I did work for a network start-up and knows more about the 2002 network collapse than I care to... ]

Andy_M

Andy_M

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Worthing, UK

(Don't fear) The Beaver

Hmmm, at current exchange rates (£1 = $1.7) thats about £56-57k. Not too shabby even after dividing amongst a team.

Just putting it into perspective. A very nice bundle of cash indeed.

Lews

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Seattle, Washington

R/E

There is plenty of Moderation, I myself talk to people from arena-net every day.

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

Ok, if you consider $50 per person, and the 5000+ that are signed up on the GWG Auction alone, that is 2.5 times the amount they are giving away. Now consider that there is over 50,000 users of GWG. Consider that even though GWG is the best website for Guild Wars, there is probably more people that own the game that are members of only 1 of the 30+ websites devoted to Guild Wars. If someone knows the exact sales figures that would help. But I estimate a quarter million units sold. Multiply by $50 and that is $12.5 mil. Now how does that $100k look like?

lord pun|shment

lord pun|shment

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Team Arena's District 1

The United Nations (xUNx)

Me/N

they wouldve made more than 100,000 in profits from sales etc allready

i hope they do it for years to come, one day my guild might have a chance at it.

Buzzer

Buzzer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Australia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth
Ok, if you consider $50 per person, and the 5000+ that are signed up on the GWG Auction alone, that is 2.5 times the amount they are giving away. Now consider that there is over 50,000 users of GWG. Consider that even though GWG is the best website for Guild Wars, there is probably more people that own the game that are members of only 1 of the 30+ websites devoted to Guild Wars. If someone knows the exact sales figures that would help. But I estimate a quarter million units sold. Multiply by $50 and that is $12.5 mil. Now how does that $100k look like?
There has been at least 1 million copies sold. That was announced months ago.

And also, don't assume that the game developers get 100% of the money out of our pockets. From what I've heard, a more realistic figure is 10-20%.

RotteN

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

still 100k is a "joke" compared to FPS competitions. the CPL world tour had 1.000.000$ in prizemoney, divided over different events, with a prize of 150.000$ to the one that won the grand finals, not to mention this was a single-player competition, while guild wars has 8-player teams ...

any big competition has prizemoney, why would GW be any different ? and this money comes from sponsoring anyway, without this event, that money would not been in A-net's hands, and for that, there are no better ways to spend it

Patrograd

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

UK

Charr Women [hawt]

Guild wars is still a very new game in terms of competitive online gaming, and is a long way behind others in terms of the level of competition at the top end. It is this top end competition that needs to be encouraged and nurtured if GW is going to be around in 5 years time as a game that the serious gamers play.

Thus ANet have put this money up, in the scheme of things not alot of money when you think the winners will have played for more than three months to earn it - you can earn much more from other games.

I would expect as GW matures over time that the competitions will see much bigger prizes and, hopefully, some more serious competition at the top end which is currently dominated by a very small handful of teams and their smurfs.

xxreaper008

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

How is 100,000 is going to be splited in the winnig team r guild?

theclam

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

It shows their serious about fostering a great PvP community. That's good advertisement.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexi Zingforger
When I first saw this prize that was up for grabs, I thought it ridiculous, surely Arenanet doesn't have to resort to this to keep players interested. Not only this, but truly a very small amount of people are going to participate and receive any kind of award from this.

Do you think this money is better invested in developing more content for the game, or perhaps Chapter 2? I for one would 100% prefer this.
Personally, I'd rather have something to breath life into the PvP community than a days worth of content all the carebears are going to complain about being too hard.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Yeah, the PvP aspect really needs to be polarized some more. There's still too many people playing PvP who aren't snobs.

yangster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Asian Syndicate

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by xxreaper008
How is 100,000 is going to be splited in the winnig team r guild?
Go to there website. It's around there somewhere.

Wyett

Wyett

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco

Mo/N

1 - 100 k is nothing. Gaile Gray probably makes 120-140k a year, depending upon her title within the company. That means, you MAY get ONE more Gaile, and she may not be as nice Money wasted in getting a second one in my opinion.

2 - Why do yall complain about what is free? Ever heard the phrase, don't look a gift horse in the mouth? Regardless of the prize, 100k in prizes is still something more than you had. Just enjoy the fact they are doing something for their product, unlike other companies who actually charge you to compete for their "Free" items.

3 - Don't think the Anet is trying to keep customers by having these tournaments and free prizes. Think of it as a gift back to those who have played the game, and helped it expand globally. If it weren't for a few other players of this game, I would have never played myself. Word of mouth is the best way to get a game out sometimes. It's just their way of thanking us in my opinion.

4 - Enjoy the game.